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On January 12 2011 18:33 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 18:26 sleepingdog wrote:On January 12 2011 18:03 Greyhawk wrote:
Hey quick question.. what does it mean if i have a 2.1k bonus pool? O_O It means that: a) you haven't played much games b) you lack the skill of reading this thread On topic: I'm a more or less borderline EU-case (1270 points, 1200 bonus pool; matched up against 2500-2700 in my recent games). I would really appreciate it if people who got promoted in EU and are rather "low" could report their points. Although I obviously realize it's based on MMR, since this isn't visible, I'd love to know the "average points-cap" for the EU-region (bonus pool added for obvious reasons). While it's not EU, I know infinity21 got promoted with only about 1800 
The "problem" - in my case the good thing - is, that from the people I was talking to I got the feeling that NA has been a bit more "inflated", if you want to call it that way. Of course I've nothing to back this on, just a hunch, but I wouldn't be surprised if the cap in EU is lower points-wise.
Regardless of that, this gives me an incentive to just start laddering, after fooling around too much in custom games 
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I think an MMR decay system is necesarry imo. Someone who was good 4 months ago because he mastered the perfect 4 gate and got Masters League MMR doesnt mean that he is still good now. This is especially true since so many people stopped playing after they got into Diamond. There needs to be a decay system that is not too punishing to weed out this people but does not burden the top players from playing ladder. Maybe 1 game per week requirement is necesarry in order to prevent decay.
On the other hand, points are not everything either because some top pros just do not finish their bonus pool ( or their MMR is so high that they are favored against everyone and it is a struggle to even finish their bonus pool)
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I don't know if this helps anyones calculations but I'm 2361 in one of the "top" rank Diamond division in terms of modifier and didn't get promoted after winning 2 matches, so I'm still in diamond. I usually get matched up against 2000-2500 elo diamond players (before the patch anyway).
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Guys.. Diamond means top 7 8 % from the populations.. 10% from Diamond will mean 0,7 - 0,8 % off all players not 2%. There is a big difference. Anyhow around 1% will be Masters and this is ok like this.
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On January 12 2011 19:14 dtz wrote:
I think an MMR decay system is necesarry imo. Someone who was good 4 months ago because he mastered the perfect 4 gate and got Masters League MMR doesnt mean that he is still good now. This is especially true since so many people stopped playing after they got into Diamond. There needs to be a decay system that is not too punishing to weed out this people but does not burden the top players from playing ladder. Maybe 1 game per week requirement is necesarry in order to prevent decay.
On the other hand, points are not everything either because some top pros just do not finish their bonus pool ( or their MMR is so high that they are favored against everyone and it is a struggle to even finish their bonus pool)
I don't think an MMR decay would be bad at all, even a much larger decay - because if somebody stopped playing (and if this certain somebody isn't an idiot who just cares about his icon) and wants to come back, then I'm sure he would appreciate it to have, say, 10-20 games vs lower skilled opponents, no?
I, for example, ladder very rarely and prefer custom games with people I know or stupid 2v2s, 3v3s with bronze/silver-real-life-friends. In 1v1 I'm currently on a 11-0 overall winning streak.....and even hough I played almost no ladder games recently, simply due to being on a streak I get matched up with quite good opponents, which is, how shall I put it, "quite scary". Because I like to start laddering again with the new patch and getting "even" matches with people who played about 600-800 more games than me isn't a confidence-booster in macro games.
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I guess master will be 2% from all region... so this means around 25-30% from who is know diamond will be master, the top 25% regarding MMR.
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On January 12 2011 19:27 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 19:14 dtz wrote:
I think an MMR decay system is necesarry imo. Someone who was good 4 months ago because he mastered the perfect 4 gate and got Masters League MMR doesnt mean that he is still good now. This is especially true since so many people stopped playing after they got into Diamond. There needs to be a decay system that is not too punishing to weed out this people but does not burden the top players from playing ladder. Maybe 1 game per week requirement is necesarry in order to prevent decay.
On the other hand, points are not everything either because some top pros just do not finish their bonus pool ( or their MMR is so high that they are favored against everyone and it is a struggle to even finish their bonus pool)
I don't think an MMR decay would be bad at all, even a much larger decay - because if somebody stopped playing (and if this certain somebody isn't an idiot who just cares about his icon) and wants to come back, then I'm sure he would appreciate it to have, say, 10-20 games vs lower skilled opponents, no? I, for example, ladder very rarely and prefer custom games with people I know or stupid 2v2s, 3v3s with bronze/silver-real-life-friends. In 1v1 I'm currently on a 11-0 overall winning streak.....and even hough I played almost no ladder games recently, simply due to being on a streak I get matched up with quite good opponents, which is, how shall I put it, "quite scary". Because I like to start laddering again with the new patch and getting "even" matches with people who played about 600-800 more games than me isn't a confidence-booster in macro games.
Most likely there is a time delay. Basically they increase your sigma over time and when you come back your mmr will shift rapidly in your first 4-5 games. This is already a part of the trueskill algorithm and glicko-2.
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hmm, still don't fully understand how this master league works, just won against a 2300 master league dude, then faced 2x 2700 diamonds lost 1 won 1 and won from a 2300 diamond, still no promotion though. Altough im certain that i have an mmr of 2600-2700 I thought that would have been enough :| ! How many games do most of you win before you get promoted?
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On January 12 2011 21:11 JDeathmetal wrote:
hmm, still don't fully understand how this master league works, just won against a 2300 master league dude, then faced 2x 2700 diamonds lost 1 won 1 and won from a 2300 diamond, still no promotion though. Altough im certain that i have an mmr of 2600-2700 I thought that would have been enough :| ! How many games do most of you win before you get promoted?
If your MMR were high enough, winning 1 game would be enough.
The fact that you have played a few games and were not promoted yet means your MMR is not at the top 2 percent of active players yet.
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Top 2% of the region is top 10% of all active diamond (.1 x .2) assuming active diamond is 20% of the region. Therefore, if you're in the top 90th percentile of diamond in you should technically be put into Masters, assuming your MMR is as good as your points.
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If it helps the people arguing about bonus pool and being low points, here are some facts from me:
I was top 20 entire sea server for the 2 months when I played, stopped playing for 4 months and then started to play a bit on US. Not sure if they keep my MMR from each server but I started playing on US just A BIT, with about a record of 40-30 and 600 points or so..
Then I logged on today after another month of not playing ladder, played as my offrace zerg, lost 4 in a row (against three 2500+ masters league and one rank 1 2700 diamond) and won 1 as protoss after raging as my offrace lol, I think he was only diamond) and got promoted to masters league.
I had over 1600 bonus pool points but I don't think I ever get extra points from my pool, I seem to always get 20-30 points if they're favoured and 10 point or so if it's even. I still don't understand how bonus pool works.
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Has anyone heard anything about people being demoted from Masters?
I'm assuming that since there is a cap of the # of people in masters, there should be a lot of demotions.
For i.e
Just say masters can only have 1000 people, but there were 5000 people that were eligible based on their MMR.
Now just say the bottom half of that 5000 people played the first game first so they all got into masters, now the top 1000, play their game - what will happen to the bottom 1000 that got in originally? If they never play a game will they sit in masters? when would they demoted?
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banhxeo : diamond is never 20% off all, never was never will is around 7,5-8%
check out this: http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all, like I said.. 7.5% global.
Master will be around 1.5-2% that means 25-30% from actual diamond.
And there is no such think that : active diamond, there is just diamond
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the number of people in any division is determined by % of active players. Promotions and deotions will/should work as before. All they did was add a small division at the top...
@ anyone confused by lower rank players getting promoted over high rank diamond. It's exactly the same when a plat player with lower points gets promoted but the #9 rank with 2k points does not.
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On January 12 2011 21:15 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 21:11 JDeathmetal wrote:
hmm, still don't fully understand how this master league works, just won against a 2300 master league dude, then faced 2x 2700 diamonds lost 1 won 1 and won from a 2300 diamond, still no promotion though. Altough im certain that i have an mmr of 2600-2700 I thought that would have been enough :| ! How many games do most of you win before you get promoted? If your MMR were high enough, winning 1 game would be enough. The fact that you have played a few games and were not promoted yet means your MMR is not at the top 2 percent of active players yet.
yep it def promotes after the first win. managed to lose 3 in a row and then win 1 and was isntantly promoted.
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Got promoted after Defeat Defeat Win. Was at 2950 approx.
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On January 12 2011 19:27 jarod wrote:
Guys.. Diamond means top 7 8 % from the populations.. 10% from Diamond will mean 0,7 - 0,8 % off all players not 2%. There is a big difference. Anyhow around 1% will be Masters and this is ok like this.
No. Diamond is the top 20% (-masters league) from all active players.
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On January 12 2011 23:05 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 19:27 jarod wrote:
Guys.. Diamond means top 7 8 % from the populations.. 10% from Diamond will mean 0,7 - 0,8 % off all players not 2%. There is a big difference. Anyhow around 1% will be Masters and this is ok like this. No. Diamond is the top 20% (-masters league) from all active players.
You sure ?
http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all
It's far from top 20% and how does the system count in active or inactive accounts.....
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So according to sc2ranks I am ranked #4,305 in the region, 8.12%. If I get this down to 2% I should get promoted? It's nice having incentives to play harder, as stupid as that is.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 12 2011 23:05 clickrush wrote: Show nested quote + On January 12 2011 19:27 jarod wrote: Guys.. Diamond means top 7 8 % from the populations.. 10% from Diamond will mean 0,7 - 0,8 % off all players not 2%. There is a big difference. Anyhow around 1% will be Masters and this is ok like this. No. Diamond is the top 20% (-masters league) from all active players. You sure ? http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/allIt's far from top 20% and how does the system count in active or inactive accounts...
The system cannot count inactive or active accounts or even if it is counting this doesn't affect anything. And btw.. where do you see this, give a link, that diamond is top 20%.. I give a really good link with the 7-8%, please prove that diamond is top 20%...
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