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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12160 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 23:29:01
January 11 2011 23:50 GMT
#1
Please use this thread for your Master League discussion.

Promotion Criteria
Master league promotion criteria is the same as any other league. If the moving average of your hidden matchmaking rating stabilizes within the confines of the Master league, you will be promoted.

Rating Change
Consistently, we are seeing that people promoted into Master league are assigned new ratings equal to 73 + spent bonus pool.

EDIT: This was confirmed to occur for all leagues, not just Master. It was simply more evident due to the mass promotions that occurred during the first day of Master league.

Relative Division Strength
All Master divisions are equal in rank. There are no division tiers as we observed in lower leagues. The Master League offset is -150 from S-Rank Diamond.

League Population
Master league is believed to be the top 2% of all active players in a region, and is believed to cut away the top 10% of Diamond league. This would put the approximate league populations at 2%/18%/20%/20%/20%/20% for active players. An active player is defined as a player who has played a certain minimum number of games per week. Going inactive does not demote you, you just no longer take up a spot in your league's percentage of the active population. The percentages are also not hard values and there is some slush involved to allow them to even out over time.

EDIT: Here's a little more on what is meant by "active players":

It's technically not a hard 2%. It's kind of complicated and our understanding of it isn't 100% thorough yet because we just learned a lot of this on Friday and there are still many questions that remain. I'll try to explain.

First, it's 2% of active players. That means that if you are within the top 2% of other players who are considered active, you are eligible to be promoted.

This raises the obvious question of "what does the system consider to be active?" Active status hinges upon your bonus pool, since the less active you are, the less bonus pool you are spending. You get 1 point of bonus pool every 112 minutes, or 90 per week, meaning 90 bonus pool is equivalent to one "bonus week." From what we understand there are several tiers of activity.

1. Active players -- Players who spend 90 or more bonus pool per week and have less than X unspent bonus pool.
2. Semi-active players -- Players who have less than X unspent bonus pool.
3. Inactive players -- Players who have X or more unspent bonus pool.

X is something that we're still trying to figure out. It could be a flat value, say 6 bonus weeks' worth, or it could be a percentage of total bonus pool accrued throughout the season. We're also unsure of whether tiers 1 and 2 are the same.

Now, back to the league populations. If you are a semi-active or inactive player and you are matched against another semi-active or inactive player, the system does not gain very much information from that because there is a lot of uncertainty surrounding each player's MMR. It gets the most information by matching you against active players. Note that the system doesn't prefer active players in searches, it just so happens that you're more likely to be matched against an active player because they play more often. If you beat the active Master-level players (which compose roughly 2% of the active population) enough that your moving average moves comfortably into the Master region, you can be promoted.

Second, it's important to know that promotion and demotion also hinges upon a certain confidence level. If you start in Bronze, for example, in order to get promoted into Silver you would have to raise that moving average a fair amount of the way into Silver to prove that you belong there. Demotion is no different.

Therefore, it doesn't inherently mean that by getting promoted that you automatically boot someone else back down to Diamond. For example, if one of the people already in Master league goes inactive, then nobody will get demoted. If, on the other hand, all the active players are still playing games but someone's moving average has fallen into around the mid-Diamond region (thereby proving to the system that that person didn't actually belong in Master league), that person would get demoted.

Hope that answers your question, I understand if that's somewhat confusing. Let me know if you have questions on it and I'll try to clarify further. =]


Supported Game Types
Master League is now available in all game types. (ED: Hotfix to add Master league to team formats has been added 2/24)

Possible Bugs
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Blizzard posted this in the 1.2 Known Issues sticky. The ramifications are not known.
Rankings are not awarding properly for Master League
We are looking into an issue with rankings and point awards in Master League and should have a resolution as soon as possible. We are again sorry for any inconvenience this has caused


There are also rumors regarding people promoted into Master league being unable to spend their bonus pool. If this has affected you, please link to your profile.

EDIT: Looks like the bonus pool problem has been fixed.
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Subterfuge
Profile Joined January 2011
Korea (South)11 Posts
January 11 2011 23:53 GMT
#2
Im seeing people in my masters division gain 20+ pts per win and <5 or even 0 pts for losing. I myself have played only 1 game and the opponent came out as being "favored" giving me 20 pts for the win. He was a masters player with about 2400 pts (compared to my ~2300). Perhaps this is the issue that blizzard has mentioned.
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mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 23:56:18
January 11 2011 23:55 GMT
#3
On January 12 2011 08:50 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Relative Division Strength
All Master divisions are equal in rank. There are no division tiers as we observed in lower leagues

How do you know? I thought we needed the official top 200 from Blizzard to work that out, and there hasn't been any top 200 post from Blizzard since 1.2.0.

Edit: fix quote
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omgCRAZY
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 23:57:52
January 11 2011 23:56 GMT
#4
On January 12 2011 08:53 Subterfuge wrote:
Im seeing people in my masters division gain 20+ pts per win and <5 or even 0 pts for losing. I myself have played only 1 game and the opponent came out as being "favored" giving me 20 pts for the win. He was a masters player with about 2400 pts (compared to my ~2300). Perhaps this is the issue that blizzard has mentioned.


That is because the system is trying to get those players back to their MMR faster. After awhile it will all even out again.

EDIT: The Top 200 thing is for the GRAND Masters League. So that should not factor into this league at all.
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LagLovah
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada552 Posts
January 11 2011 23:59 GMT
#5
my bonus pool never got used for 4 games but in the 5th it did ... ? doesnt make a whole lot of sense
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Subterfuge
Profile Joined January 2011
Korea (South)11 Posts
January 11 2011 23:59 GMT
#6
On January 12 2011 08:56 omgCRAZY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2011 08:53 Subterfuge wrote:
Im seeing people in my masters division gain 20+ pts per win and <5 or even 0 pts for losing. I myself have played only 1 game and the opponent came out as being "favored" giving me 20 pts for the win. He was a masters player with about 2400 pts (compared to my ~2300). Perhaps this is the issue that blizzard has mentioned.


That is because the system is trying to get those players back to their MMR faster. After awhile it will all even out again.

EDIT: The Top 200 thing is for the GRAND Masters League. So that should not factor into this league at all.


I think I know what you're saying. Bnets trying to get master league people's points to match their hidden MMR again?
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12160 Posts
January 12 2011 00:01 GMT
#7
On January 12 2011 08:55 mrdx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2011 08:50 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Relative Division Strength
All Master divisions are equal in rank. There are no division tiers as we observed in lower leagues

How do you know? I thought we needed the official top 200 from Blizzard to work that out, and there hasn't been any top 200 post from Blizzard since 1.2.0.

Edit: fix quote


Because we have promotion data from multiple sources. I personally tracked Yen, Spades, zizibeoo, and received PMs and thread replies in the 1.2 thread that corroborate that. Furthermore, we had confirmation prior to this at Blizzcon from speaking with the senior designer that Master and Grandmaster leagues would not contain any division modifiers.
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scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
January 12 2011 00:02 GMT
#8
Got in and played 3 games, all lost.

I finally win one (4gate, you know) and got masters league.

1900 diamond -> 1589 Masters (700+ bonus pool)

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ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2315 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-12 00:04:10
January 12 2011 00:03 GMT
#9
So assuming its taking everybody top 2% of the region, where (roughly) does that put the Diamond point cut-off
random user
Profile Joined December 2010
85 Posts
January 12 2011 00:07 GMT
#10
Would it be useful to keep posting new divisions are they are created, or is this something which should be obvious and/or is unnecessary?
stupidhydro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States216 Posts
January 12 2011 00:07 GMT
#11
On January 12 2011 09:03 ExO_ wrote:
So assuming its taking everybody top 2% of the region, where (roughly) does that put the Diamond point cut-off


"Master league promotion criteria is the same as any other league. If the moving average of your hidden matchmaking rating stabilizes within the confines of the Master league, you will be promoted."

Just like other promotions it doesn't depend on points but hidden ranking. I was 1250 diamond but 1.3k bonus pool but I got promoted after one game... which i assume is because my MMR is high enough and i consistently played 2.5k diamond players. I'm guessing grandmasters will be point based however.
KoKoRo
Profile Joined April 2010
United States186 Posts
January 12 2011 00:09 GMT
#12
So if we went down or up points does that mean it changed to our real points?
When you ain't got nothin', you got nothin' to lose.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
January 12 2011 00:09 GMT
#13
So do you have to play 1 game and then you'll get promoted if youre eligible? Or can you just login and it will promote you? Sorry I'm at work I can't login.
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12160 Posts
January 12 2011 00:12 GMT
#14
On January 12 2011 09:07 random user wrote:
Would it be useful to keep posting new divisions are they are created, or is this something which should be obvious and/or is unnecessary?


I've been sending your division links to Shadowed so he can add them to SC2Ranks, but he thinks he has the info he needs for now. Thanks though, we appreciate it.
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shtdisturbance
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada613 Posts
January 12 2011 00:12 GMT
#15
You have to win 1 game if your eligible. I went 0-3 then won and got promoted first game winning.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 12 2011 00:13 GMT
#16
On January 12 2011 09:09 crms wrote:
So do you have to play 1 game and then you'll get promoted if youre eligible? Or can you just login and it will promote you? Sorry I'm at work I can't login.


from what it sounds like, you're going to need to win one game to become promoted
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-12 00:26:06
January 12 2011 00:17 GMT
#17
doesnt sound too hard to get it. good reason to finally start playing fo realz again.


but if the bonus poolstays and evryone is reset to ~the same rating wouldnt it mean i have a huge edge with my 600 bonus pool? promotion works on MMR, my MMR should be decently high (judging from the few games i did recently around 2700 ) so it shouldt take too long to get in leaving me with a quite some bonus pool left.
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ECA.BruTATroN
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States282 Posts
January 12 2011 00:22 GMT
#18
I have a person on my team, who has a total of 64 games played. Yes he has a good record like 50-20 but he has a 1650 bonus pool and is ranked in masters league. Also We have Ryze and noticed in his masters league he is number one and his first 10+ games he got alot of points for wins and 0 points for losses. It seems really funky
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SilverPotato
Profile Joined July 2010
United States560 Posts
January 12 2011 00:23 GMT
#19
Once the reset hits there won't be 1K point scrubs in masters
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 12 2011 00:23 GMT
#20
wait it's 2% of total players? I thought they said top 5% of diamond (which is top 1%). That would be really screwed up if true.
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