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dtz
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On January 12 2011 12:04 Zelniq wrote: so does anyone have a clue why i went from like rank #50-60 by points before patch, but now after promotion to master im #467 on NA? i'm also #27th on blizz's top 200 released today so i am quite confused Read the snapshot data, man! That Top 200 list is from yesterday at 4:30pm, before Master league went live. And if you read the OP it tells you why you have as many points as everyone else. | ||
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
also I dont see what the top 200 list has anything to do with being taken before Master league went live..i thought top 200 was related to MMR which isnt effected by the new master league / your points. so like if another top 200 was taken right now i'd still be right around there | ||
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Xodushai
Sweden174 Posts
On January 12 2011 12:02 Cambam wrote: I could be wrong, but I don't think it's that simple. You have to factor in Diamond division ranks (S, A, B, C, D, E) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169830 So for example, if 1900 is the bottom of the top 2%, someone who has 1900 but is in a Code E division (1585 true rating), is not actually in that top 2%. Hm yah didn't really consider that(obviously ;P). As E is weighted +315, I guess it would be fair to say that 2215+ point players can be certain of getting in to masters, no matter division(A;S,E etc.) if the 2% statement stays true. | ||
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Coramoor
Canada455 Posts
On January 12 2011 12:11 Zelniq wrote: edit: nvm i misunderstood something in OP also I dont see what the top 200 list has anything to do with being taken before Master league went live..i thought top 200 was related to MMR which isnt effected by the new master league / your points. so like if another top 200 was taken right now i'd still be right around there according to what i remember reading from excal is that the top 200 had nothing to do with mmr and was actually a point weight system based on the division you're placed in, and it seems that since every is being reset to 2329 - bonus pool, that the new top 200 will be point based but it will be far less obtuse | ||
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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Drunkasaurus
1 Post
![[image loading]](http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/Drunkasaurus/Starcraft/MasterLeaguenooblet.jpg) Still though, Master League is Master League. ![[image loading]](http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c50/Drunkasaurus/ronnie-coleman-comeback.jpg) ooo rah. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On January 12 2011 12:19 Drunkasaurus wrote: Well Master League seems to still be in the works as far as I can see. This guy is in the same division as me and I bet he's frightened for his life: Still though, Master League is Master League. ooo rah. Or it is a smurf and he is going to fucking own you lol  Excal i couldnt read all the posts; but do you see no division modifiers as an issue for master league? | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On January 12 2011 12:25 bkrow wrote: Or it is a smurf and he is going to fucking own you lol Excal i couldnt read all the posts; but do you see no division modifiers as an issue for master league? The less obfuscated the system is, the easier it is for people to identify where they stand. There's no downside in that. | ||
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muffley
United States280 Posts
On January 12 2011 08:50 Excalibur_Z wrote: League Population Master league is believed to be the top 2% of all active players in a region, and is believed to cut away the top 10% of Diamond league. This would put the approximate league populations at 2%/18%/20%/20%/20%/20% for active players. I've seen these numbers quoted by Blizzard, and then by others through that. They are wrong. The numbers look more like this: us (as of yesterday) number of players with 1v1 league: 669340 bronze 290913 (43.46%) silver 120081 (17.94%) gold 113385 (16.94%) platinum 89941 (13.44%) diamond 55020 (8.22%) kr number of players with 1v1 league: 277789 bronze 121045 (43.57%) silver 61929 (22.29%) gold 45650 (16.43%) platinum 28025 (10.09%) diamond 21140 (7.61%) tw number of players with 1v1 league: 93615 bronze 42314 (45.20%) silver 19885 (21.24%) gold 15289 (16.33%) platinum 9641 (10.30%) diamond 6486 (6.93%) So like 8%/11%/16%/21%/44% without the master league. | ||
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
I think I lost like 50 points and 100 bonus. | ||
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A1m
Germany48 Posts
But wait, who's the lowest ranked guy who got into masters league without having a bonuspool? | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On NA there were about 55100 diamond players. So, 10% of them (since all Diamond players are, for the most part considered active) would have been 5510 players. Right now there's only 1000 players in Masters. If you look at SEA, there's only 300 in Masters, and the Masters:Diamond ratio is not the same as seen in NA server. So it seems Blizzard "manually" selected set numbers for each region. Or SC2ranks.com is wrong. Or Masters' League is temporarily not allowing people to be promoted in, as I should have been promoted (played again after patch 1.2, and even won). In which case I'll have to be patient until it creates more divisions? Actually just realized, it's probably because they need to wait for another 100 or so people before they create a division, right? So yeah I'll have to be patient I guess until enough people fall into the Masters MMR region for more divisions to be created. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On January 12 2011 12:34 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Dang it! They said 2% of top players from each individual region, but according to SC2ranks.com this isn't the case. On NA there were about 55100 diamond players. So, 10% of them (since all Diamond players are, for the most part considered active) would have been 5510 players. Right now there's only 1000 players in Masters. If you look at SEA, there's only 300 in Masters, and the Masters:Diamond ratio is not the same as seen in NA server. So it seems Blizzard "manually" selected set numbers for each region. Or SC2ranks.com is wrong. Or Masters' League is temporarily not allowing people to be promoted in, as I should have been promoted (played again after patch 1.2, and even won). In which case I'll have to be patient until it creates more divisions? Actually just realized, it's probably because they need to wait for another 100 or so people before they create a division, right? So yeah I'll have to be patient I guess until enough people fall into the Masters MMR region for more divisions to be created. patch is out for not even a day(not even online yet over here). you need to play to get promoted. give it time... | ||
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Soulish
Canada1403 Posts
On January 12 2011 09:23 SilverPotato wrote: Once the reset hits there won't be 1K point scrubs in masters because everyone will be 1k? | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
Also I've seen these numbers quoted by Blizzard, and then by others through that. They are wrong. The numbers look more like this: Remember, before Master League, all leagues were balanced 20% for all ACTIVE players. Meaning, yes Bronze league is actually 45% of total population on a lot of servers, but most of that Bronze League is inactive. Diamond is supposed to be pure active (it's not always of course, because there will always be a few who will be demoted soon as soon as they play a game to make way for a more active Diamond-deserving player). But otherwise, Diamond is 20% of all active players, so you can say that the amount of players in Diamond is the same amount of active players in each league. | ||
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ChrysaliS_
United States261 Posts
On January 12 2011 11:31 Azzur wrote: Once the Masters league settles, we can determine how much of the region is in that league. Also, hoping that inactive Master league players will get demoted if they fall below the cutoff. The issue is that assuming there's a constant MMR cutoff (rather than percentage-based), if they go inactive after being promoted to Master League they're never going to drop below the cutoff since they're already above. Hence ladder resets with 1 "placement match" which really is just to sort out the inactive players from the leagues | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On January 12 2011 12:34 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Dang it! They said 2% of top players from each individual region, but according to SC2ranks.com this isn't the case. On NA there were about 55100 diamond players. So, 10% of them (since all Diamond players are, for the most part considered active) would have been 5510 players. Right now there's only 1000 players in Masters. If you look at SEA, there's only 300 in Masters, and the Masters:Diamond ratio is not the same as seen in NA server. So it seems Blizzard "manually" selected set numbers for each region. Or SC2ranks.com is wrong. Or Masters' League is temporarily not allowing people to be promoted in, as I should have been promoted (played again after patch 1.2, and even won). In which case I'll have to be patient until it creates more divisions? Actually just realized, it's probably because they need to wait for another 100 or so people before they create a division, right? So yeah I'll have to be patient I guess until enough people fall into the Masters MMR region for more divisions to be created. Played around 12 matches this evening and got promoted (NA server). My division only has like 27 people in it so I don't think waiting for 100 players necessarily has anything to do with it. | ||
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
On January 12 2011 12:34 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Dang it! They said 2% of top players from each individual region, but according to SC2ranks.com this isn't the case. On NA there were about 55100 diamond players. So, 10% of them (since all Diamond players are, for the most part considered active) would have been 5510 players. Right now there's only 1000 players in Masters. If you look at SEA, there's only 300 in Masters, and the Masters:Diamond ratio is not the same as seen in NA server. So it seems Blizzard "manually" selected set numbers for each region. Or SC2ranks.com is wrong. Or Masters' League is temporarily not allowing people to be promoted in, as I should have been promoted (played again after patch 1.2, and even won). In which case I'll have to be patient until it creates more divisions? Actually just realized, it's probably because they need to wait for another 100 or so people before they create a division, right? So yeah I'll have to be patient I guess until enough people fall into the Masters MMR region for more divisions to be created. Not all Diamond players are active, go and look at NA Diamond with the activity filter set to "last month". You will notice that the number of pages of players drops from 542 to 271. On SEA it drops from 53 to 24. So really, only about half of all Diamond players even played a game in the last month. | ||
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