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Hmmm I'd say it'll be around 2700-2750 points(including your bonus pool) that should be enough for Masters, might differ for regions other than EU and keep in mind my division is probably the worst on EU.
I'm 2471 points with 208 pool without promotion so you probably need more than that.
Also, I'd just use points + bonus pool as an alternative to MMR, I doubt it's too different unless you're like 150-0 or alternatively like 2500-2500(or would have before masters came out).
On January 13 2011 05:45 Geo.Rion wrote:
every single person is favored against me now, and others have similar problems. I guess this already has been posted, but still, +1 then
Its comparing your actual points to their MMR, their MMR is probably like 2700-3500 and your points are like 2400 so it's going to be favored for a while.
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On January 13 2011 05:41 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 05:22 tehemperorer wrote:
Greeny et al, points don't matter. It is the MMR that determines promotion/demotion, and this number is hidden.
If at release I played and was a 800 point diamond, then quit and started to play again just now, I would probably be playing 3000+ diamonds because my MMR is that high. My points wouldn't matter in this case, that is the effect of bonus pool. MMR and division points are two standards of measuring a player, it just so happens that one we can see and the other we can't. aha, well that blows. Im at 2400 beating 2900 players and then ill lose to an 1800 player so I doubt im going anywhere.
But the points you get or lose are based on MMR, not point totals. You might have gotten a +9 for beating that 2900 player because his MMR was on the slide, where you might have lost only 6 points from the 1800 player because his MMR was so high but hasn't been playing much.
Also, please correct me if I'm wrong (Excalibur_Z... no mention about Curtana? Durindal?) players that play each other can still show that both are favored against the other
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I played 7 games today. I lost the first 6 and won the last, after which i got promoted.
And in my opinion the master league is fine as it is. No division modifiers will make points much more compareable, as long as you take unused bonus points into account. But thats not a big deal. Blizzard has to get rid of the bugs, though.
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On January 13 2011 03:26 Nyxs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 02:37 politik wrote:
Wow, people like you are the reason the ladder system is so stupid and convoluted. The whole point of a "master" league is that NOT EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IN. Not everyone is created equal, some have more talent that others. The very top tier should take both talent and hard work, and people should be proud to attain that level.
That being said, once there is a ladder reset, hopefully it will become much harder to get into higher leagues since the player pool will be reduced by like 90%. Well guess what NOT EVERYONE WILL BE ABLE TO GET IN. Everyone in this thread is acting like top 2% is something easy to achieve. If that isn't hard enough to get in for you keep on trying for the Grand Master League/Top 200.
It doesn't matter. They're complaining it isn't a league with only the most reknown players like Ret or HuK. Even Top 200 probably won't be enough for them where there are plenty of no-name-players. It has to be an All-Star roster!
W/E difference of perception than reality. If you go to a site where all the players are really good then it seems like everyone is getting in.
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Was a 2500 player with ~250 bonus pool, getting matched vs 3k's constantly. Played one game today and was immediately promoted. Whats the point ?
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I won 1 game and got Master League -_____________-
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On January 13 2011 05:15 GreEny K wrote:
I don't understand how a 1400 rated player can get promoted to masters.... Can someone explain this to me? Sure his record was good but still.
MMR, that is to to be said.
On the contrary I didnt understant why playing occasionally people ranked 1-10 diamond I was sitting at rank 60. This masters league is a great idea.
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On January 13 2011 06:17 Butcherski wrote:
Was a 2500 player with ~250 bonus pool, getting matched vs 3k's constantly. Played one game today and was immediately promoted. Whats the point ?
2493 points with 197 bonus pool, not promoted so... yeah, narrowing it down. ^_^
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Blizzard just doesn't get it, I guess.
The difference between the top 2% of players in a region and the top 200 is Huge! The difference is larger than the entire other 98%.
And anyone that has ever played competitively and been in the top 20/200 in the world in their respective game will know this. It's not even debatable.
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On January 13 2011 05:53 Shikyo wrote:Hmmm I'd say it'll be around 2700-2750 points(including your bonus pool) that should be enough for Masters, might differ for regions other than EU and keep in mind my division is probably the worst on EU. I'm 2471 points with 208 pool without promotion so you probably need more than that. Also, I'd just use points + bonus pool as an alternative to MMR, I doubt it's too different unless you're like 150-0 or alternatively like 2500-2500(or would have before masters came out). Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 05:45 Geo.Rion wrote:
every single person is favored against me now, and others have similar problems. I guess this already has been posted, but still, +1 then Its comparing your actual points to their MMR, their MMR is probably like 2700-3500 and your points are like 2400 so it's going to be favored for a while.
nope, i played fellow masters leaguers and check their profile, literally it's like this +16 to +25 if WIN -3 to -8 if LOSS and that's what i have too
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On January 13 2011 06:20 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
I won 1 game and got Master League -_____________-
Same. I had about 29xx points.
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On January 13 2011 06:34 danl9rm wrote:
Blizzard just doesn't get it, I guess.
The difference between the top 2% of players in a region and the top 200 is Huge! The difference is larger than the entire other 98%.
And anyone that has ever played competitively and been in the top 20/200 in the world in their respective game will know this. It's not even debatable.
and your point is? grand master league will come which will be top200. masters never intended to seperate the pros from the highish diamonds. its meant to seperate the highish diamonds from the baddy diamonds. and if the assumptions are true give the competive ones a somewhat decent ladder with comparable ranks
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On January 13 2011 05:59 tehemperorer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 05:41 GreEny K wrote:On January 13 2011 05:22 tehemperorer wrote:
Greeny et al, points don't matter. It is the MMR that determines promotion/demotion, and this number is hidden.
If at release I played and was a 800 point diamond, then quit and started to play again just now, I would probably be playing 3000+ diamonds because my MMR is that high. My points wouldn't matter in this case, that is the effect of bonus pool. MMR and division points are two standards of measuring a player, it just so happens that one we can see and the other we can't. aha, well that blows. Im at 2400 beating 2900 players and then ill lose to an 1800 player so I doubt im going anywhere. But the points you get or lose are based on MMR, not point totals. You might have gotten a +9 for beating that 2900 player because his MMR was on the slide, where you might have lost only 6 points from the 1800 player because his MMR was so high but hasn't been playing much. Also, please correct me if I'm wrong (Excalibur_Z... no mention about Curtana? Durindal?) players that play each other can still show that both are favored against the other
Yes that's correct. I don't know what you mean about Curtana and Durindal though?
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I think its been stated 100 times already but since we've all seen the question repeatedly pop up.
MASTERS LEAGUE PROMOTION IS BASED ON MMR. DO NOT USE YOUR LADDER POINTS RANKING AS AN INDICATOR.
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^^ truth.
This is what's going to happen. The low game players never actually 1v1 alot, they just got on today simply to get to masters. After doing so they aren't going to play 1's ever again. They simply want the icon only. Statistically, the more you play, the lower your win ratio should become. It's just math, you HAVE to lose games sometime. I also think a 2.5k player with a 400-350 ratio should be more deserving than a 1.2k w/ bonus pool with a 25-10 ratio or whatever. For all I know that 25-10 could drop to a 400-400 by the time he gets to the number of games.
Unless I missed your point, win rate does not directly factor into how high your MMR is. When your win rate starts to level off, your MMR will be able to know where you are at finally.
Let's use the example you used... if the 25-10 ratio player keeps playing, sure he will level off sometimes, but the skill level where he will level off at will be much higher than the other player, who is already almost 50/50 and is probably fighting other 2.5k players.
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On January 13 2011 06:36 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 05:53 Shikyo wrote:Hmmm I'd say it'll be around 2700-2750 points(including your bonus pool) that should be enough for Masters, might differ for regions other than EU and keep in mind my division is probably the worst on EU. I'm 2471 points with 208 pool without promotion so you probably need more than that. Also, I'd just use points + bonus pool as an alternative to MMR, I doubt it's too different unless you're like 150-0 or alternatively like 2500-2500(or would have before masters came out). On January 13 2011 05:45 Geo.Rion wrote:
every single person is favored against me now, and others have similar problems. I guess this already has been posted, but still, +1 then Its comparing your actual points to their MMR, their MMR is probably like 2700-3500 and your points are like 2400 so it's going to be favored for a while. nope, i played fellow masters leaguers and check their profile, literally it's like this +16 to +25 if WIN -3 to -8 if LOSS and that's what i have too
Because you both have less points than your opponents have MMR, so both have the opponent as favored.
2531 points, 173 bonus pool, no promotion. T_T Maybe I'll get there tomorrow.
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I keep playing master league players and beating them but still no promotion :S beaten like 4 now but i have lost to other diamonds in between, generally protoss -.- but anyways its beginning to really annoy me now lol.
Im 2700 or there abouts but ive only got like 40 more wins than losses, any1 else know what their win % was when they were promoted and what kind of oppoenents they were facing D:
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Well guess what NOT EVERYONE WILL BE ABLE TO GET IN. Everyone in this thread is acting like top 2% is something easy to achieve. If that isn't hard enough to get in for you keep on trying for the Grand Master League/Top 200.
Perhaps it's because most of us know we are in the top 2%, and therefore came here to learn more. Surely you aren't implying that "most" of us equally represents all skill levels across the board?
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I was 2450ish with a win percentage of only about 52%.
Got into masters, and only dropped to like 2300 pts or so..
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On January 13 2011 07:32 Zacsafus wrote:
I keep playing master league players and beating them but still no promotion :S beaten like 4 now but i have lost to other diamonds in between, generally protoss -.- but anyways its beginning to really annoy me now lol.
Im 2700 or there abouts but ive only got like 40 more wins than losses, any1 else know what their win % was when they were promoted and what kind of oppoenents they were facing D:
From what I understand, win % and league points have NOTHING to do with your promotion. As stated here several times, your MMR is what triggers your promotion. You may have 2700 points but that doesn't mean your MMR is high enough for promotion, yet. Even if you've been playing vs masters level players, your MMR takes time to build and is probably adjusted every X games by bnet. For example, your hidden MMR might be at 180 and the criteria for masters promotion is 200. Yes you have beaten masters level players but you've also lost to players in diamond, this probably affects the calculation of points after say, 15 games where it determines your new MMR. Some people have stated that they've played only 1 game to get promoted, this was also my case. In this scenario I think that these players are well above the 200 mark used in my previous example, thus the promotion is immediate after the first win. All I have to suggest to you is to keep playing games as that is the only way to increase your hidden MMR which decides your eligibility.
Btw, my win rate was 53% when I got promoted, doesn't mean a thing.
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