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On January 13 2011 07:57 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 07:47 g.o- wrote:On January 13 2011 07:32 Zacsafus wrote:
I keep playing master league players and beating them but still no promotion :S beaten like 4 now but i have lost to other diamonds in between, generally protoss -.- but anyways its beginning to really annoy me now lol.
Im 2700 or there abouts but ive only got like 40 more wins than losses, any1 else know what their win % was when they were promoted and what kind of oppoenents they were facing D: From what I understand, win % and league points have NOTHING to do with your promotion. As stated here several times, your MMR is what triggers your promotion. You may have 2700 points but that doesn't mean your MMR is high enough for promotion, yet. Even if you've been playing vs masters level players, your MMR takes time to build and is probably adjusted every X games by bnet. For example, your hidden MMR might be at 180 and the criteria for masters promotion is 200. Yes you have beaten masters level players but you've also lost to players in diamond, this probably affects the calculation of points after say, 15 games where it determines your new MMR. Some people have stated that they've played only 1 game to get promoted, this was also my case. In this scenario I think that these players are well above the 200 mark used in my previous example, thus the promotion is immediate after the first win. All I have to suggest to you is to keep playing games as that is the only way to increase your hidden MMR which decides your eligibility. Btw, my win rate was 53% when I got promoted, doesn't mean a thing. Moving average. It doesn't check your MMR in intervals, it checks your moving average after every game to determine your eligibility.
Anyone know the interval of the moving average?
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I was 2556 Diamond, won 1 game and was instantly promoted to Masters league at 2298 points, Corsair November division. My 1 game was against a Master's league player.
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On January 13 2011 10:16 sNatch wrote:
Ugh, I knew i should have used up my bonus pool before 1.2. Oh well.
Maybe I missed it in this thread, but does anyone know why there are some people with records like 18-10 in the Master League? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
I spelled it out plain as day in the OP. The next person to ask about why some people are promoted and not others is going to get warned. Consider this a forewarning.
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Well I finally made it into masters league by starting out at 1500 rating and playing 35 games today and yesterday. My MMR was around 2.6-2.7k diamond and as I won more games I started going up against 2k-2.2k Masters. Just pointing it out there so that people can have an idea on how many games it can take.
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Why is there no masters league for e.g. 3v3 random ?
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On January 13 2011 15:45 Kaoriyu wrote:
Well I finally made it into masters league by starting out at 1500 rating and playing 35 games today and yesterday. My MMR was around 2.6-2.7k diamond and as I won more games I started going up against 2k-2.2k Masters. Just pointing it out there so that people can have an idea on how many games it can take.
You dont know your MMR, *sigh*. Also your points mean nothing to us as long as you dont tell us your division modifier. I had 2,2k points without any bonus points. After losing 6 games, the 7th which i won promoted me. i was A-class diamond.
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I'm sorry if this has been addressed in the thread, I only read the first 2 pages, but the 2% number seems really strange. I basically stopped laddering 4 weeks ago at ~2300, so yesterday when I started to ladder again I was at 2300 with a 400 bonus pool. I lost the first 3 games horribly, but won the 4th just now and was instantly promoted to master league. I don't see how I can be within the top 2% of players, especially seeing as my MMR should have dropped since I've mostly been losing lately. Unless it's filling up the master's league with the top 2% that are playing right now? In which case I'll be demoted once everyone better than me starts laddering again?
idk, I guess I should be happy I got promoted, but I really don't feel like I deserve it right now, I'm playing horribly.
edit: now i was just slightly favoured against a 2.7k. hm, apparently my mmr's higher than i thought.
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(Obviously) Little Known Facts:
There is no masters for: 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4.
You get into masters based on your MMR and not your points (or games played).
If you lose to people that are better than you (favored), your MMR wont most likely be affected.
The average 2700-2800 points player has the required MMR to get into masters, but that doesn't mean if you have 3k points you will get into it for sure (but it's more likely) and you can't get into masters if you have only 1k points (but it's more likely).
You should find that information in Excalibur's posts anyways..
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lol I'm glad there's no master's league for 4v4... that just sounds straight up retarded if anyone thinks 4v4 is serious at the top level.
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I'm aiming for the upcoming Grandmaster League.
It would be SO kewl if it only has one division - Top 100 of the region and nothing else.
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Yeah, I think the Grandmaster league should be almost impossible to get into for us mere mortals.
I personally haven't hit Master yet, but I will. Right now I'm about 2600 diamond, but I know that my MMR is lower since I've used my entire bonus pool. Need to work out my TvP! =D
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Has anyone been demoted from masters? lol Im sure NA server is reaching it cap and as more players begin to play, some people should be getting demoted
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i was 1243 with 1265 in my bonus pool, lost 2 and won 1 and got promoted into master's with 1085 points now. if that information helps!
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are they just throwing every single diamond player into masters until its capped?
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2450 and Not promoted yet. I feel like I'm within 200 pts or so.
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To excalibur:
Is there a way to find out now if my division (Scourge Rho) is highly rated? There are a few reasons why I suspect this:
1. It seems that you cannot be promoted into Scourge Rho with a poor win/loss ratio. It's still not full, even though it's not that new. I think your w/l has to be at least 65% to get into this division, or be playing very good opponents. I myself promoted into it only after going up against 2.2k+ diamonds a month ago. I could tell their MMR was high.
2. A few people have disappeared into masters, I believe. The current guy at the top is only ~2.1k post masters. Hm...
3. I just played against a 1.5k diamond, myself being 570~ (55th in my league before the game), and only received 6 points for a win. Of course, points are no indicator blah blah blah, but this time it may have some significance: He's ranked 26th out of 97, has >200 games played to my 50, and the top guy in his league is 2.6k+ without being masters.
Perhaps you can draw some conclusions from this? More input from other players?
Because, I might just try for masters based on this info...I previously considered it very unlikely for me to get in quickly therefore not worth my time and effort.
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On January 13 2011 21:24 Siwa wrote:
I'm aiming for the upcoming Grandmaster League.
It would be SO kewl if it only has one division - Top 100 of the region and nothing else.
even better... ONE division, top 200, viewable to everyone!
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On January 13 2011 10:31 tehemperorer wrote:
I was 2556 Diamond, won 1 game and was instantly promoted to Masters league at 2298 points, Corsair November division. My 1 game was against a Master's league player.
Exactly the same happened for me.
And the guy in Masters League really wasn't strong, considering that i wasn't playing my main race.
Funky!
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On January 13 2011 20:59 decaf wrote:
if you have 3k points you will get into it for sure (but it's more likely) and you can't get into masters if you have only 1k points (but it's more likely).
i suppose that sc2ranks is not working yet cause in master league if you go to the last page 69, i can find master players below 1000 points. what happen on that?
User was warned for this post
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On January 14 2011 01:53 shadymmj wrote:
To excalibur:
Is there a way to find out now if my division (Scourge Rho) is highly rated? There are a few reasons why I suspect this:
1. It seems that you cannot be promoted into Scourge Rho with a poor win/loss ratio. It's still not full, even though it's not that new. I think your w/l has to be at least 65% to get into this division, or be playing very good opponents. I myself promoted into it only after going up against 2.2k+ diamonds a month ago. I could tell their MMR was high.
2. A few people have disappeared into masters, I believe. The current guy at the top is only ~2.1k post masters. Hm...
3. I just played against a 1.5k diamond, myself being 570~ (55th in my league before the game), and only received 6 points for a win. Of course, points are no indicator blah blah blah, but this time it may have some significance: He's ranked 26th out of 97, has >200 games played to my 50, and the top guy in his league is 2.6k+ without being masters.
Perhaps you can draw some conclusions from this? More input from other players?
Because, I might just try for masters based on this info...I previously considered it very unlikely for me to get in quickly therefore not worth my time and effort.
Unfortunately there's no concrete info that can be gathered from that. Without the Top 200 or a significant amount of promotion data, we can't determine division tiers.
If you want to know whether you stand a chance of being promoted into Master league, though, I'd say there are probably enough players in Master such that you'll have to start playing against people who have already been promoted before you yourself can get promoted.
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