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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
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dtz
5834 Posts
If i am not wrong, Morrow also practices that way. He said something like if he sent his overlord the wrong way, he leaves the game straightaway because a decent player would have killed it. Or if he loses like a few more lings than usual, he surrendered in ladder.Probably it's a good idea if you wanna refine your strategy or mechanics like Morrow did when he just switched. Some people like HuK i think delays his gg for quite a while. That said, in tournament games it is probably worth it to play on regardless of the situation. if FD had this fast gg mindset, he would not be GSL 1 champ because he would have gg-ed in game 3 against oGsTOP. So, It's probably good to practice playing from a sure lose situation This is just ladder though so probably why some doesnt bother if they think the game is decided. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On December 29 2010 15:24 Silidons wrote: um maybe to practice against it and see what the best options are? in all likelihood, he has practiced against it enough to conclude that if the protoss does not fuck up, then he will eventually lose so he'd rather not waste his time trying to play out a game | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On December 29 2010 15:30 dapierow wrote: almost double amount of terran and protoss compared to zerg... stuff like this really makes me want to switch races ... in other news NaDa only 124 Nada went 3-9 this week so he dropped from 57 last week, I don't think it's a big deal since it's more a sign of inactivity than poor play. As for the Idra thing, it's most likely a consequence of why he plays the ladder. This is just conjecture, but I think he practices with partners and mostly does ladder to try and find out new trends or strats that opponents are using, to avoid the practice-bubble effect where the strats get stagnant if you only practice with the same circle of people. So if he's most likely going to lose to a cheese he might just GG out to get on with what he really wants to get out of laddering. Once again this is just a guess, but it makes sense to me. | ||
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YiukeDukem
United States125 Posts
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
On December 29 2010 15:05 tossmumble wrote: # 19 july zerG? Yup  Only Code A next season tho Kick some ass July get into S class where you belong.Good Stats by Boxer. Anyone else think once the seasons start for real and the team competitions are up and running, the better players will start disappearing from the ladder because they practice everything in house? or are we now too far removed from the Kespa style way of running teams to have that happen? I'm in 2 minds over it, if everyone is always on ladder everyone can improve, but then everyones style will look similar, but if they practice inhouse away from the public, different styles and approaches may start to appear.. but then it means as the top players aren't playing ladder.. it has less value (than it does already..) and a divide will appear between the top players and the rest ala BW. | ||
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On December 29 2010 15:38 YiukeDukem wrote: EtdGrrr the real giyom? Or not? All I know is that Etd has the Chinese players right? It's not Guillaume Patry. I asked TheWind last week in his stream chat after he hit him if it was 기욤 and he said no, and he's a reliable source as far as I'm concerned. | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4518 Posts
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Rialz
Brazil177 Posts
On December 29 2010 15:44 Liquid`Ret wrote: all these theories on idra ladder are untrue...he ladders to win games...just watch his stream...it also explains why zerg isnt in top10 and why there are less of us in the top200 Must say i agree with you on that one, Ret. | ||
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
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mumming
Faroe Islands256 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 29 2010 15:44 Liquid`Ret wrote: all these theories on idra ladder are untrue...he ladders to win games...just watch his stream...it also explains why zerg isnt in top10 and why there are less of us in the top200 indeed if i think i can win i stay in the game. there are times when ive left a game and my opponent couldve made a gigantic mistake and handed me the win, but thats rare and irrelevant. its just really fucking easy to lose as zerg. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On December 29 2010 16:14 Cyanocyst wrote: Surprised CheckPrime is that far up there in ladder ranking. He was really good in Beta, but i honestly haven't seen that great of play from Check in GSL. It shouldn't be too surprising that Check is so high on the ladder, considering that he has perhaps the most ladder games of anyone on the planet (more than 3000? really? nuts.) | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
On December 29 2010 16:21 IdrA wrote: indeed if i think i can win i stay in the game. there are times when ive left a game and my opponent couldve made a gigantic mistake and handed me the win, but thats rare and irrelevant. its just really fucking easy to lose as zerg. Do you think that zerg is currently at a disadvantage or do you think it is a momentum race that cannot lose momentum if they want to win? I know that you don't like to respond very often, but I would like to hear your views on the current state of the zerg race (without iNcontrol telling you to shut up like on SOTG lol) | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On December 29 2010 16:53 Wolf wrote: Top 200 MMR means nothing except good performance in ladder. Look at tournament wins if you're looking for inspirations or up and coming players who you think will do well. eh I don't think it's a coincidence that Terran's have been dominating ladder and tournament wins just the same. The top 200 is a pretty good indication of the strength of the races at that point in time. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 29 2010 15:40 Gingerninja wrote: Yup Only Code A next season tho Kick some ass July get into S class where you belong.Good Stats by Boxer. Anyone else think once the seasons start for real and the team competitions are up and running, the better players will start disappearing from the ladder because they practice everything in house? or are we now too far removed from the Kespa style way of running teams to have that happen? I'm in 2 minds over it, if everyone is always on ladder everyone can improve, but then everyones style will look similar, but if they practice inhouse away from the public, different styles and approaches may start to appear.. but then it means as the top players aren't playing ladder.. it has less value (than it does already..) and a divide will appear between the top players and the rest ala BW. In some measure, but as far as I know, Blizz and GOM will host some big torunaments based on ladder rankings, so some might still be interested in laddering. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 29 2010 17:01 Beef Noodles wrote: Do you think that zerg is currently at a disadvantage or do you think it is a momentum race that cannot lose momentum if they want to win? I know that you don't like to respond very often, but I would like to hear your views on the current state of the zerg race (without iNcontrol telling you to shut up like on SOTG lol) zerg is fucking awful clearly weakest, least reliable options early game. any viable pressure is nearly a complete allin, besides light roach aggression which is easily nullified. both t and p have lots of ways to put game ending pressure on z early and half of them arent even close to allin, and most are unscoutable and have different counters. and the idea that z is somehow the strongest late game race is fuckin absurd. hive units are nearly useless and horribly cost inefficient unless broodlords catch them off guard. ya, you can insta remax if you're allowed to get a giant econ, but remaxing on lair units vs collosus or tank based armies hardly matters when you can trade 200/200 for a tenth of their army. if z guesses, and guessing is required if t and p dont show a ridiculously early expansion, correctly and hits drone timings perfectly then they have a mid game advantage, but its not an advantage that can be used very well. its very easy for t or p to make themselves unkillable and head for that invincible late game army. z gets to use their unit advantage to tech towards hive, which can be nullified, or to expand a bunch so they can throw away a few extra 200/200 armies before getting rolled. zerg is failing massively in just about every statistic besides gsl first places. the race is fucking awful. i honestly have no idea how so many people dont acknowledge it yet. zergs performance in the foreign scene is very nearly non existent. i think morrow has won one viking cup and otherwise 0 z wins since i won mlg dc. and a pitiful number of titles before that. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
On December 29 2010 17:08 IdrA wrote: zerg is fucking awful clearly weakest, least reliable options early game. any viable pressure is nearly a complete allin, besides light roach aggression which is easily nullified. both t and p have lots of ways to put game ending pressure on z early and half of them arent even close to allin, and most are unscoutable and have different counters. and the idea that z is somehow the strongest late game race is fuckin absurd. hive units are nearly useless and horribly cost inefficient unless broodlords catch them off guard. ya, you can insta remax if you're allowed to get a giant econ, but remaxing on lair units vs collosus or tank based armies hardly matters when you can trade 200/200 for a tenth of their army. if z guesses, and guessing is required if t and p dont show a ridiculously early expansion, correctly and hits drone timings perfectly then they have a mid game advantage, but its not an advantage that can be used very well. its very easy for t or p to make themselves unkillable and head for that invincible late game army. z gets to use their unit advantage to tech towards hive, which can be nullified, or to expand a bunch so they can throw away a few extra 200/200 armies before getting rolled. zerg is failing massively in just about every statistic besides gsl first places. the race is fucking awful. i honestly have no idea how so many people dont acknowledge it yet. zergs performance in the foreign scene is very nearly non existent. i think morrow has won one viking cup and otherwise 0 z wins since i won mlg dc. and a pitiful number of titles before that. What do you think is the reason for this? The current patches or there is something fundamentaly wrong with the zerg race? | ||
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