EPTKorean top 200 12/28/2010 - Page 12
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Carl_Sagan
United States226 Posts
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
On December 31 2010 11:10 IdrA wrote: the fact that you ever win games is more than enough justification for any amount of whining Lol On topic i didn't think boxer was ever that high on recent top 200's nice to see him climb and I have been watching huk's stream lately (awesome) and saw him go on a massive win streak and beat IMMVP a couple times :D | ||
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ace246
Australia360 Posts
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dbizzle
United States395 Posts
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
Why do people make a conclusion that Protoss is so different than Zerg? Because based on Korean scene, there is very little evidence for that. There's basically 2-3 decent Protoss players, others have hard time making it to top 16 or 8 of GSL. Every time I watch protoss, the likes of HongunPrime and Choya, supposedly some of the best Protoss players in the world, they look well out of depth against average Terran and sometimes Zerg players. After 5-4 scoreline in Gisado's tournament, there was the famous "This is Protoss!" thing on here. But then, nobody bothered to make the same after 5-0 scoreline in TvP. Again, please, somebody enlighten me, how on Earth Protoss are doing so much better than Zerg? Remove this past GSL victory of MC (considering none of the Zergs are looking at FDs and NesTea's wins), then you have sweet fuck all. Protoss either wins by stomping on the opponent, or fails hard and loses just helplessly. Yes, may be the early cannon and warp in pressure makes it hard for Zerg, but Protoss themselves are not setting the world alight. | ||
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
On December 31 2010 07:29 koppik wrote: Midway through the beta, Zerg in Korea was way overpowered. Part of that was that a lot of top players played Zerg because it was the strongest race. Zerg I think is in the reverse of that right now. Other than July], you don't see Really any good BW players going to Zerg like you do Terran or even Protoss in Korea. Similarly, how many WC3 ProS switched to Zerg? Two? But, yeah, 23% of diamond plays Zerg, and 23% of the top 200 plays Zerg. I don't see how this particular top 200 is disconcerting, especially considering the ratio of Zergs went up this week.  NesTea Was a Proleague player.. maybe not a Player of Boxer or NaDa's quality, but just playing in the Proleague show's he was amongst the best. There are other players too, but it seems to have be mostly Terran or Toss that's crossed over, and sticking with their own races. Jaedong is going through a rough patch atm... someone go tell him to switch over :D That'll help solve any QQ.PS July Fighting! Code A Winner this season. | ||
GTR
51699 Posts
On December 31 2010 16:26 Gingerninja wrote: NesTea Was a Proleague player.. maybe not a Player of Boxer or NaDa's quality, but just playing in the Proleague show's he was amongst the best. There are other players too, but it seems to have be mostly Terran or Toss that's crossed over, and sticking with their own races. Jaedong is going through a rough patch atm... someone go tell him to switch over :D That'll help solve any QQ.PS July Fighting! Code A Winner this season. no he wasn't. he played in 2v2's only because he was too mediocre for 1v1's and when those died out he only got a token commemoration game. | ||
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
On December 31 2010 16:53 GTR wrote: no he wasn't. he played in 2v2's only because he was too mediocre for 1v1's and when those died out he only got a token commemoration game. The fact remains the same.. he played 2v2 in Pro League.. meaning he was a pro league player. Saying he was mediocre, like he wasn't better than 99% of the rest of the world at BW. | ||
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Atlas_550
United States180 Posts
http://www.sc2ranks.com/masters/kr | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
On December 31 2010 16:01 Xxavi wrote: While the Zerg QQ is out in full force, and this time, unlike Protoss QQ, is not interrupted and threads aren't closed, let me ask one thing. Why do people make a conclusion that Protoss is so different than Zerg? Because based on Korean scene, there is very little evidence for that. There's basically 2-3 decent Protoss players, others have hard time making it to top 16 or 8 of GSL. Every time I watch protoss, the likes of HongunPrime and Choya, supposedly some of the best Protoss players in the world, they look well out of depth against average Terran and sometimes Zerg players. After 5-4 scoreline in Gisado's tournament, there was the famous "This is Protoss!" thing on here. But then, nobody bothered to make the same after 5-0 scoreline in TvP. Again, please, somebody enlighten me, how on Earth Protoss are doing so much better than Zerg? Remove this past GSL victory of MC (considering none of the Zergs are looking at FDs and NesTea's wins), then you have sweet fuck all. Protoss either wins by stomping on the opponent, or fails hard and loses just helplessly. Yes, may be the early cannon and warp in pressure makes it hard for Zerg, but Protoss themselves are not setting the world alight. You complain about Zerg QQ but continue to rag on about how weak and 'at a disadvantage' Protoss is in this and many other threads, when Protoss has been doing fine both in the % of players in Top 200s and international tournaments. Please stop being so hypocritical. | ||
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Healingproof
Sweden81 Posts
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
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leakingpear
United Kingdom302 Posts
On December 31 2010 17:01 Gingerninja wrote: The fact remains the same.. he played 2v2 in Pro League.. meaning he was a pro league player. Saying he was mediocre, like he wasn't better than 99% of the rest of the world at BW. Nah ZergBong was literally the worst player to ever be on korean television, he actively made games harder for Reach to win in 2v2s and was the bane of anyone who ever wanted KTF to win. To people who joined because of SC2 he may be indistinguishable from the IrOns and MVPs of the scene, but to anyone who followed proleague during that period, he was the biggest laughing stock around. And saying someone is better than 99% of the rest of the world at BW is remarkably silly given 99.9999% of the world haven't played the game and he certainly wasn't better than 99% of the competitive BW players. ZergBong is the only zerg I actively want to lose in tournaments, because damnit, no one makes Reach lose. No one! | ||
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Zerker
Canada201 Posts
(numbers are true, Go test it ) You got the early game pressure from terran with marines and scv's where they can pull 1/2, 1/3, 1/1 their scvs go in with marines and hurt your econmy so badly and recovery quickly with mules. It's again hard to win games early with zerg. (Baneling busts also have become worse with the meta game, Terran players figuring out how to wall with 2 barracks, Protoss players figuring out how to wall with a cybercore + gateway. ) Also in the mid game you got random 6 gateway half saturated bases all-in's to worry about, That can rarely get scouted considering the the time which is happens. it's again hard to win games in the mid game. What's i'm trying to say, Is in sc2 current meta game. It's extremly hard to win early, mid, and late games as zerg. | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
Zerg is by far the strongest race mid game if you don't get destroyed early game. The 200/200 cap kinda screws Zerg late game, though. | ||
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Imperfect1987
United States558 Posts
On December 31 2010 13:51 ace246 wrote: People have always been claiming 베스킨라빈스(read as baskinrobins) is marineking, but where is the proof? I saw on Huk's stream an opponent with that name and the guy said he was MarineKing when Huk asked who he was. With a record like that it also wouldn't be surprising if it was him. He also said he was sorry when Huk said he had done proxy barracks to beat him the last time they played each other. He also played the exact same style as MarineKing in the match so I think it is pretty safe to say that he is indeed the same guy. | ||
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
On December 31 2010 13:14 Carl_Sagan wrote: Once you convince yourself that your losses are due to the game imbalance, you lose the ability to improve. The thing is that these pro gamers job is to make money off this game. They may complain about imbalance but the truth is they are still trying 8+ hours a day to figure out how to beat this imbalance. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On December 31 2010 18:50 ChickenLips wrote: You complain about Zerg QQ but continue to rag on about how weak and 'at a disadvantage' Protoss is in this and many other threads, when Protoss has been doing fine both in the % of players in Top 200s and international tournaments. Please stop being so hypocritical. Toss is still weakest statistically. Less in top 10 than Z. Less in top 20 than Z. Less tournament wins. Less Wins ZvP as a percentage in Korea. The only thing saving them is oGsMC who is single handily rescuing the race with perfect play. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On December 31 2010 18:19 Atlas_550 wrote: Anyone else notice Huk is up to 4th on the sc2ranks? http://www.sc2ranks.com/masters/kr Wow that's a trip... must be having a good run. WTF is NEXExcrement? Does he know what Excrement means?  | ||
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Deleted User 124618
1142 Posts
-Zerg was "underpowered" until FruitDealer won GSL1. -Protoss was "underpowered" until oGsMC showed up and conquered GSL3. -Terran was "overpowered"...still hasn't won a GSL. -TvP was "imbalanced"...until TOP beat MC in a 4-0 match. Suddenly TvP – A Terran’s view -threads tone changed quite a bit. -Now zerg is again "underpowered" because they seem to be losing again (to all-ins, specifically). I see a pattern here. I'm not saying all complants are invalid, just pointing out something. | ||
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