On December 08 2010 06:11 slam wrote:
So would walling off with a stalker on hold position be a good solution to this? Stalkers also are better for defending against baneling busts, right?

You can't get a Stalker out in time to fend off a rush, and their damage is pretty pathetic vs Zerglings compared to a Zealot.

GreEny K

Germany7312 Posts

December 07 2010 21:17 GMT

#102

Hopefully Blizzard gets a hold of this info, I'm assuming they will patch that.

hifriend

China7935 Posts

December 07 2010 21:17 GMT

#103

if you hold a probe right behind the zealot and make the harder kind of wallin with the zealot inbetween core and gate it should be able to hold though, I mean performing this trick would cost you a lot of lings then at least.

yarkO

Canada810 Posts

December 07 2010 21:18 GMT

#104

Wow, what a load off my fricken mind. I remember this from Beta, and I thought I remembered it being patched. I have lost a lot of games because my hold-position Zealot appeared to have lost weight or something.

At least now I know. Still sucks.

tok

United States691 Posts

December 07 2010 21:19 GMT

#105

I noticed this on the PTR and started doing ZvP on live. It's really frustrating as protoss but I think walling off is your best solution.

lim1017

Canada1278 Posts

December 07 2010 21:22 GMT

#106

Even without this zergs need to realize it will only cost them like 4 lings to kill the lone zealot.. guarding the wall.

I believe the timing is in such a way that the zerg should be able to get a steam of lings in while the 2nd or 3rd gate is going up..

SnowSC2

United States678 Posts

December 07 2010 21:22 GMT

#107

On December 08 2010 06:15 Sleight wrote:
What about Stalkers? Sentries? Probes?

Yeah a lot more testing should be done, the replay only had lotsa speedlings. How about like 8 normal zerglings? thats more realistic early game since no stalkers would be out at that point in most cases.

slam

United States923 Posts

December 07 2010 21:23 GMT

#108

On December 08 2010 06:15 branflakes14 wrote:

Show nested quote +

You can't get a Stalker out in time to fend off a rush, and their damage is pretty pathetic vs Zerglings compared to a Zealot.

I don't think that a 6 or 10 pool rush would really be a problem. You can just use probes and zealot to defend against that. I'm talking about runbys where the zerg has like 15-20 zerglings. In my opinion that are the only ones that are a real threat.

anTi_

United States499 Posts

December 07 2010 21:25 GMT

#109

Lol added reason to cannon block a zerg now

slam

United States923 Posts

December 07 2010 21:27 GMT

#110

On December 08 2010 06:25 anTi_ wrote:
Lol added reason to cannon block a zerg now

not anymore once the new patch kicks in.

decaf

Austria1797 Posts

December 07 2010 21:28 GMT

#111

this is stupid and must be patched, says the zerg

AnAngryDingo

United States223 Posts

December 07 2010 21:29 GMT

#112

i had a guy pylon block me with 3 pylons yesterday on PTR.

i said "dont let the patch change discourage you from cheesing"

he said "ok"

slam

United States923 Posts

December 07 2010 21:31 GMT

#113

On December 08 2010 06:29 AnAngryDingo wrote:
i had a guy pylon block me with 3 pylons yesterday on PTR.

i said "dont let the patch change discourage you from cheesing"

he said "ok"

I'm interested to see how the pylon block will evolve in high level games or if it will end up being pretty useless.

Kishuu

Brazil108 Posts

December 07 2010 21:33 GMT

#114

If blizzard don't fix this, I will be mad. hard time

lol12tree

Canada88 Posts

December 07 2010 21:34 GMT

#115

because protoss is not underpowered enough of course!

Mohdoo

United States15713 Posts

December 07 2010 21:36 GMT

#116

Thread has hit required length for Blizzard to eventually pay attention to it. Just need to keep it bumped for the next couple days and we can be guaranteed that it will be fixed

HAUER

Denmark208 Posts

December 07 2010 21:38 GMT

#117

What map is that replay? It's not the 'unit tester map' that pops up when I search on battlenet.

No_Roo

United States905 Posts

December 07 2010 21:39 GMT

#118

Yeah this has been going on for a while, it's happened to me more than a few times, you really need to have a second unit stacked up behind the zealot to prevent him from just getting pushed back.

luckily the kind of zergling aggression that is required to really leverage this (before your second unit comes out to help block) is economically devastating to the zerg, if you are able to stabilize off of it then you'll usually end up being alright.

Geo.Rion

7377 Posts

December 07 2010 21:41 GMT

#119

hold position zealot can hold the spot since early beta. This was a problem during the early days, that zealots couldnt hold zerglins (oh my gawd, they had to get a sentry) so they fixed it, as long as the zealot(s) dont switch to attack move they wont get pushed away.