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Drizz
Profile Joined August 2010
25 Posts
December 02 2010 17:05 GMT
#241
no i invented apm

User was temp banned for this post.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
December 02 2010 17:06 GMT
#242
LOL this thread is awesome. cheers jca!
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
silencesc
Profile Joined July 2010
United States464 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 17:46:48
December 02 2010 17:44 GMT
#243
Bon matin jca! Merci pour tous!

I wasn't on TL when this whole newfangled APM thing came about, but my roomate slapped me when I had no idea who you were. So I read the thread you linked to, and wanted to write here and say thanks. It's entirely possible that had you not (with the collaboration of many others I'm sure) invented the culminate measuring stick that is APM, esports wouldnt be what it is today. People love an easy compact way to compare themselves. And while iCCup ranks are good, a nice clean number is better, and you delivered. Cheers man! :D

P.S. What happened to the TL I knew where people read the OP. Before posting? This isn't about razer, or APM implementation, it's about recognizing the mainstream application of something invented by our community. Read people. Please.
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Kaptein[konijn]
Profile Joined August 2005
Netherlands110 Posts
December 02 2010 18:00 GMT
#244
I remember when JCA's APM tool first was released. I was super enthousiastic about it and sent my then-offline BW buddy at least 10 consecutive ICQ messages

No one had more than 180 apm back then..
enzym
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany1034 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 18:14:33
December 02 2010 18:13 GMT
#245
Wow, I remember when I learned of bwchart. I was still a total scrub, always playing against my friend who would always rush me pvz but I wouldn't give up and improve my timing and apm. I was so happy every time my APM went up by 10 or my build became faster by 1 or 2 seconds.

Always assumed the koreans came up with it. They were just so far ahead of everyone.

I wish we'd have bwchart for sc2 as well. Sorting maps and nicknames into groups was so useful. Sc2gears isn't there yet unfortunately.

Thanks so much for reminding me of the great times as a beginner of competetive starcraft, jca, and everyone else for making this such a hilarious thread. Lol.

e: spelling woo
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Stenstyren
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden619 Posts
December 02 2010 18:55 GMT
#246
Awesome thread, awesome OP, awesome repliers, awesome admins.

We should have on of these every month, a somewhat confusing (but still completely understandable) OP that leads the lazy crowd astray. Would be a nice way to clean out some of the illiterates.

bwcharts was so big, I did not play much BW but I still came into contact with the amazing program. Mad props!
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
December 02 2010 19:22 GMT
#247
On December 03 2010 01:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:
and victors expression has not changed since


lol this for sure
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Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 19:26:45
December 02 2010 19:25 GMT
#248
Wow I remember using bwchart in 2005 and amazingly the site hasnt changed a bit ! http://www.bwchart.com/

Even the yoda is still there :D
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 20:10:00
December 02 2010 19:26 GMT
#249
On December 03 2010 02:44 silencesc wrote:
Bon matin jca! Merci pour tous!

I wasn't on TL when this whole newfangled APM thing came about, but my roomate slapped me when I had no idea who you were. So I read the thread you linked to, and wanted to write here and say thanks. It's entirely possible that had you not (with the collaboration of many others I'm sure) invented the culminate measuring stick that is APM, esports wouldnt be what it is today. People love an easy compact way to compare themselves. And while iCCup ranks are good, a nice clean number is better, and you delivered. Cheers man! :D


It's funny, I never played BW "back in the day" other than with a few people over LAN as my family didn't have a decent internet connection until like 2005 or so, and even then my RTS of choice became Warcraft III.

When I got back into Brood War a year or so ago, I was amazed by how much the community as a whole (TL and others) have shaped the game. Multiplayer maps, custom maps, plugins, tools, major build orders, game casting, etc.etc. all developed by the community. Starcraft must be one of the only games out there where the players and community had a major part in defining how it was played. (maybe with the exception of Warcraft 2) It's strange now to think there was a time that this game was once played on maps like Wheel of War with such builds as proxy hatcheries.

The extremely closed nature of Starcraft 2; the Blizzard Map pool, the broken custom game system, the illegality of third party servers like ICCup. I worry that these things threaten what really made BW stay so popular for so long.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
December 02 2010 19:41 GMT
#250
On December 03 2010 01:26 rozina wrote:
Shouldn't this be a blog? I dont get the OP. Its just a statement who invented APM. What is there to discuss? Would be less warnings if it was a blog imo


When you've invented something like APM with the help of the TL community, you can have your own thread dedicated to its invention 7 years later, too.
njAl
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway156 Posts
December 02 2010 19:47 GMT
#251
May i ask what the fuck the point of this post was? this kind of stuff goes in the history section or the wiki if there is one, as what is written is in no way an arguable subject.
=^.^=
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
December 02 2010 19:55 GMT
#252
The post was a friendly hi and history lesson. But like Klogon said, when you invent a quantification of a game state, you're allowed some leeway.

This thread is still 9000 times better than the vast majority of SC2 threads even with all the bans present here.
Get it by your hands...
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
December 02 2010 20:06 GMT
#253
On December 03 2010 04:47 njAl wrote:
May i ask what the fuck the point of this post was? this kind of stuff goes in the history section or the wiki if there is one, as what is written is in no way an arguable subject.


Why does every thread have to be a debate about something? There are plenty of threads that have a purpose besides presenting a controversial topic. It seems that the moderators disagree with you on the validity of this topic as well. Maybe you should take it up with them by using the website feedback function.

To answer your question, this thread happens to be about celebrating the contributions that jca and TL have made to the wider starcraft community.site
Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
December 02 2010 20:08 GMT
#254
On December 03 2010 04:26 TheToast wrote:
The extremely closed nature of Starcraft 2; the Blizzard Map pool, the broken custom game system, the illegality of third party servers like ICCup. I worry that these things threaten what really made BW stay so popular for so long.

This has been one of the concerns about SC2 since before it came out.

Blizzard, whether it is unintentional or not, seems to be sacrificing the amount of constructive input the gaming community can provide in order to secure more profits by controlling every aspect of their game and (currently) flawed Bnet 2.0 system. This in itself is already pretty heinous, then you realize most of their 'achievements' are actually just cannibalizations of free contributions from the community (such as BWChart).
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 21:18:34
December 02 2010 21:17 GMT
#255
Man. I'm honored to be in the same thread as jca =) I remember the first versions of the program and it was soooo baller. I must have checked like 200 replays in the first few days lol.

APM was has always been missunderstood by many who thinks high == good. My thoughts go to TLO in the Friendsday Wednesday who said that he's much more impressed with someone with a low apm.

The truth is of course that apm can tell a story if you have other facts but alone it's useless data that needs to be put into context=)

The many warnings made me laugh
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 02 2010 23:54 GMT
#256
always good to see an old school poster return and highlight the immense contributions TL has made to the scene.

i think it would be a good idea if the OP in combination with the following post:

On December 02 2010 11:38 Slow Motion wrote:
It's like a reading comprehension question.

The OP's description on the Razer mouse is:

A) The main topic of the thread.
B) A humorous anecdote.
C) An allusion to T.S. Elliot's The Waste Land.
D) An introduction to his main point.


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Cryosin
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States182 Posts
December 03 2010 00:09 GMT
#257
You know aside from the funny warning going on and the "lol this is stupid" posts, this isnt really a "bad" tool.

You cant actually monitor your APM in-game so this would give some players at the top a slight advantage.

I can see it working great for practice.

As for the "i could make this for $5". Well, aside from the mouse costing money to make, triggering lights to in-game actions is not easy.

There's alot of scripting and programming required to do that. Programmers dont program stuff for free.
Kez
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4 Posts
December 03 2010 00:13 GMT
#258
Wow, I had no idea about this. I thought it was just something that was kind of always around. Very impressive that someone actually started something that we all know and take for granted in a sense. Great job OP.

clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
December 03 2010 00:20 GMT
#259
pretty funny how it was called back then "act./min" also funny that ppl braged about their average 150ish apm which is today considered as slow
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jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 03:50:52
December 03 2010 00:26 GMT
#260
On December 03 2010 09:09 Cryosin wrote:
You know aside from the funny warning going on and the "lol this is stupid" posts, this isnt really a "bad" tool.

You cant actually monitor your APM in-game so this would give some players at the top a slight advantage.

I can see it working great for practice.

As for the "i could make this for $5". Well, aside from the mouse costing money to make, triggering lights to in-game actions is not easy.

There's alot of scripting and programming required to do that. Programmers dont program stuff for free.


you read the warning, but still failed to comprehend why people were being warned, (banned later in the thread) did you actually read the OP and mod edit. If Jibba is still checking expect your ban soon.

on topic: It is amazing how far the term APM has come, and how far peoples APM has come look back at the old threads on APM and see people talking about 150 being crazy fast (I still wish i had 150) crazy. The history lesson from this thread was great, thanks jca

jca2 lowest post count account with a star? (well deserved of course)

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