Who 'invented' APM - Page 12

On December 03 2010 00:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:


superview was originally created by some guy from the nohunters community named WilliamWC3. he used to write battlereports and was a cool figure. now, superview originally didn't leave that community and got pretty much no attention at first, it was just a program that let you examine replays from a "programmer" point of view. I think the correct term used was "decompressing" a replay or whatever. using it was very tedious and well, I just downloaded it again to see if I could make sense of it now, but I couldn't.

here's a screenshot of how it worked:
http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/LiquidDrone/superview.jpg (that's only one point of view, you can look at it in binary or examine the raw data and look at it uncompressed etc.. doesn't really make sense to me because I'm not very computer savvy. )

superview was created in like 2002 or something, so well more than a year before it was released on tl.net, and originally it wasn't really used for anything useful. but then dudey (ilnp on these forums) decided to cheat by letting some korean guy play for him in a huge tournament, dudey was very slow and that korean was very fast, and superview was used to compare dudey's speed and clicking-patterns in that tournament with dudey's speed in regular games. I probably spent like 30 minutes comparing 4-5 replays like this, because I had to manually count actions. superview didn't have any "apm"-conversion and it wasn't built for that purpose, but it was one of the possible ways it could be used.

and then it turned out that dudey had about twice or three times his regular amount of clicks in that tournament compared to other replays of him. after that I guess jca read about how superview was used/got hold of it and decided to turn it into something that was actually possible to use. :p

On December 02 2010 23:35 jarek.exe wrote:
To be honest Im really disappointed by the approach of admins.

If Razor issue is completely meaningless, then why is it mentioned at the very beginning of the thread?

I've read and understood the whole topic. However, im not really interested in who invented APM. Does that mean I cannot make a comment about the hardware?

Silly.

Besides, amount of warnings/bans caused a lot of off-topic posts, which spoiled the discussion.
In my humble opinion it's the thread creater who is responsible for all the mess. He could have composed that much better.

On December 03 2010 01:08 HurtnTime wrote:
Hey Excal, I just started playing Sc2 recently so I've been trolling tl.net for a few weeks, just not posting. Reading, learning, watching streams. Long time I didnt play RTS.

We met at WCG 2004 in SF. Remember?

On December 03 2010 01:01 Ksyper wrote:
It's cool and all, but I don't see my mouse or my keyboard while I play.
Maybe if you're in a dark room the light might even distract you from the game.
But if I had enough money I would buy the mouse it looks awesome, and I'm sure it handles pretty good.

On December 03 2010 01:34 mcneebs wrote:
Wow reading the first 5 pages of this thread has basically summarized how I feel about the degradation of the SC2 community on TL. A complete lack of comprehension and respect to the people who have done great things for the game, and a general "know it all attitude" that is currently ruining the forum. I applaud the moderators actions, and I really wish that things were even more strict around here. It's a shame that it has to be this way, but I guess this is what happens with the overwhelming influx of new users.

Thanks JCA for filling me in on an awesome fact!