• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 03:24
CET 09:24
KST 17:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies0ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
The Games Industry And ATVI US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1194 users

Who 'invented' APM

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 14 15 16 Next All
jca2 *
Profile Joined March 2006
France52 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 02:27:19
December 01 2010 22:31 GMT
#1
Hi guys,

Just saw that ad inside SC 2 for the new Razer gears for Starcraft 2. Keyboard and mouse now have "APM Lighting". Basically, the lights on the keyboard or the mouse will change color depending on your live APM:

APM Lighting

I read that ad with a bit of "nostalgie" going back 7 years in the past, right here, on TeamLiquid.net where APM was invented:

Who invented APM?

Maybe some of you did not know about TL back then, but yes, this is the kind of impact that the TL community has on the world of eSports. It got Blizzard to add APM inside SC 2 and Razer inside its devices. Not bad.

A round for TL

Mod Edit: + Show Spoiler [READ] +
I've decided to take mercy upon some of you and to be more up front about teaching this lesson. Before you post, read the entire OP, understand it, and if you have free time even read the next few pages to understand what's going on. Do not immediately regurgitate the first thing that comes to mind. This thread is about jca/bwcharts/TL member contributions, etc. It is not about Razer products. If you fail to read this warning, then you're totally fucked.
APM? Never heard of it...
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
December 01 2010 22:35 GMT
#2
I doubt Blizzard had much to do with razer's product. Blizzard maybe just gave a bit of info (if any), and gave permission for razer to make SC themed products.

There's bee post about this APM lighting before, so I'm not sure if this new topic is justified.

User was warned for this post
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
Gnarwhal
Profile Joined May 2010
United States33 Posts
December 01 2010 22:36 GMT
#3
This totally reminds me of those old shoes that light up when you take a step :D I really don't think many players ever look at their mouse while focusing on a starcraft game either. But yah, props to TL on the influence!
Hail the mighty Thoughthammer!
eLiE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1039 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 07:15:03
December 01 2010 22:36 GMT
#4
lol, i like the little evolution on that one page. actions/minute, actions per minute, apm's to....APM!

Kind of cool little history fact if it's indeed where APM was born.

EDIT: Reading other posts, JCA, a TL member, was the inventor. Thank you, sir, I raise my glass with the others You made me self-conscious about how fast I spam stuff .

Man, this place is a minefield.....
How's the weather down there?
AndrewZorn
Profile Joined November 2010
United States56 Posts
December 01 2010 22:47 GMT
#5
This ranks among the dumbest "gaming gear" I've ever seen.

OH MAN! My mouse is RED! BASE UNDER ATTACK!!!!!

User was warned for this post
Reno(TE)
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom434 Posts
December 01 2010 22:48 GMT
#6
If my apm drops low, my mouse/keyboard/headset will tell me ... this is meaningless

User was warned for this post
A pro isnt someone who sacrifices themselves for their job, thats just a fool.
JustPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
United States211 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 23:03:30
December 01 2010 22:58 GMT
#7
Their priorities are horrible. How about producing an affordable gaming keyboard with good switches (mx reds ideal, mx browns if not) with NKRO and the option of no numpad? Sorry too busy jamming lights, usb hubs, headphone ports, giant wristrests that nobody wants, useless macro keys that make an even bigger footprint on the desk, and now apm based lighting on to a rubber dome or some mx blues with 2kro and then spending extra development time and money on "gaming optimized" 2kro.

Razer is as bad as steel series. They both put out gimmicky crap and tag "gamer" on it. There's no point at all to lighting on a keyboard/mouse, and there's especially no point to apm based lighting. At least we get the QCK out of steel.

It's sad that for real gaming equipment you are best off avoiding anything with "gaming" in the name like the plague.

User was warned for this post
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
December 01 2010 23:00 GMT
#8
i have a feeling that would distract me and not help me play any better. The most common scenario I keep imagining in my head is im playing just fine but I notice my lighting/colors whatever is low! I panic and proceed to play worse than if I just stuck to what I was doing just fine lol.

User was warned for this post
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Barett
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada454 Posts
December 01 2010 23:02 GMT
#9
Its been said before but wow is this stupid. How often do you actually take your eyes of the game and look at your mouse/keyboard? lol. I hope no one actually buys this stuff, unless you really like the mouse, which I could understand. But you wouldn't actually use the APM lighting.

User was warned for this post
Gym, Video Games, Laundry.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
December 01 2010 23:06 GMT
#10
The funny thing is that this probably costs them very, very little to make, and even develop. I could have probably designed one of these in my own house for under $50.

User was warned for this post
Dagon
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania264 Posts
December 01 2010 23:07 GMT
#11
Oh noes! It's AMP TECHNOLOGY all over againz !!1

User was warned for this post
JustPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
United States211 Posts
December 01 2010 23:09 GMT
#12
On December 02 2010 08:06 Archaic wrote:
The funny thing is that this probably costs them very, very little to make, and even develop. I could have probably designed one of these in my own house for under $50.
NKRO is cheap too and you don't see them making keyboards with it. $2 worth of diodes to do it.
Danze
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia219 Posts
December 01 2010 23:15 GMT
#13
Such a lol concept. "Holy shit guyz my keyboard is liek goin all red n stuffz mai Apm is liek hooooooge omgomgomg"

User was warned for this post
Accidentally pissing on toilet rolls since 1991.
Gezz
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom81 Posts
December 01 2010 23:32 GMT
#14
What's the selling point of having gaming gear that changes colour when your APM changes... I just honestly can't see what they were thinking when they came up with the concept.

User was warned for this post
HurtnTime
Profile Joined September 2002
United States296 Posts
December 01 2010 23:42 GMT
#15
JCA's BWChart coding APM's really high!

Cheers.
vxl
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden64 Posts
December 01 2010 23:44 GMT
#16
On December 02 2010 08:32 Gezz wrote:I just honestly can't see what they were thinking when they came up with the concept.

They were thinking money, and that's what they'll get. Believe it or not these things do sell, many people don't care about optimal performance, they just want something "cool".

User was warned for this post
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-01 23:54:01
December 01 2010 23:53 GMT
#17
They were using the Banshee (the headset) at the All-Stars Invitational. If anything, the lighting is there to look cool rather than be useful, and I agree, the lighting looks pretty cool.

User was warned for this post
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
December 02 2010 00:02 GMT
#18
I wouldn't mind the feature if it were on a decent mouse and I didn't have to pay a ridiculous amount for it, but it's pure bling, no usefulness whatsoever. The game alert integration seems somewhat useful, but would be more useful if it were on a keyboard, since I'm never looking toward my mouse hand.

Funniest thing to me about that ad is how most players' APM is highest when they're building their economy, even though that's a "low APM situation".

User was warned for this post
We found Dove in a soapless place.
forgotten0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States951 Posts
December 02 2010 00:03 GMT
#19
Anyone else read this topic as "APM Lightning"?

I had to use this garbage at Blizzcon, and there is no way I'd use it, even if someone payed me. It's THAT bad.

User was warned for this post
"Well it’s obvious that these Terran gamers are just extremely gifted when it comes to RTS games" -Ret, in regards to the first months of SC2
Redunzl
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
862 Posts
December 02 2010 00:05 GMT
#20
I invented APM

User was warned for this post
1 2 3 4 5 14 15 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 36m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft640
Livibee 79
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 1131
Shuttle 689
Larva 277
PianO 180
Killer 163
Sharp 104
Leta 98
Zeus 97
soO 43
ajuk12(nOOB) 37
[ Show more ]
GoRush 26
NotJumperer 24
yabsab 22
Rush 19
League of Legends
JimRising 563
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor116
Other Games
summit1g9334
XaKoH 327
Mew2King72
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick699
BasetradeTV68
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH197
• LUISG 15
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1234
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
36m
Wardi Open
3h 36m
Monday Night Weeklies
8h 36m
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.