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Who really invented APM ?

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jca
Profile Joined April 2003
France273 Posts
August 25 2003 14:36 GMT
#1
I think it's LaptopLegacy in the following post (at the end)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=5&topic_id=3682

Can't find any mention of it before that. Right?
http://www.bwchart.com
Gryffindor_us
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States5606 Posts
August 25 2003 14:43 GMT
#2
jca Je amoreaux tu. (I said that wrong probably)
Remember 11-12-04. 이윤열 ~. |||| ZerO, IriS, JangBi, Stork, BackHo! Mah Jae Yoon is no longer a feared entity.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 25 2003 14:44 GMT
#3
You mean "je t'aime" ??
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LaptopLegacy
Profile Joined October 2002
Netherlands602 Posts
August 25 2003 14:56 GMT
#4
Aaaaahw, that really made my day!
Luctor et Emergo
[Dan]
Profile Joined July 2003
Germany37 Posts
August 25 2003 15:55 GMT
#5
je t'adore, jca 8(
MyztiC`Terran
Profile Joined August 2003
United States374 Posts
August 25 2003 16:14 GMT
#6
JCA made apm. Didn't they also make the anti-map LT?
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
August 25 2003 16:21 GMT
#7
On August 26 2003 01:14 MyztiC`Terran wrote:
JCA made apm. Didn't they also make the anti-map LT?


JcA is a person, not "they"
River me timbers.
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
August 25 2003 16:21 GMT
#8
and yes he did, but it's not only lt i think... it's anti-maphack program
River me timbers.
EvanSlayer
Profile Joined October 2002
Brazil228 Posts
August 25 2003 16:32 GMT
#9
first time I heard the expression was from a Liquid Drone post.... than it was everywhere else, even yaoyuan, yg clan and other korean webpages...
it all returns to nothing...and only truth can really set us free.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28703 Posts
August 25 2003 16:40 GMT
#10
well I made the "action per 1000 something (which was like 40 seconds)" thing, cuz I didnt feel like checking a longer portion of time.
but that was before jca made bwchart, I only had superview then. ^^^

however in a secret little forum which I am never going to reveal on this page, we knew about superview for at least a year before I posted it here.
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otherOne
Profile Joined February 2003
United States135 Posts
August 25 2003 17:03 GMT
#11
well I made the "action per 1000 something (which was like 40 seconds)" thing, cuz I didnt feel like checking a longer portion of time.
but that was before jca made bwchart, I only had superview then. ^^^

however in a secret little forum which I am never going to reveal on this page, we knew about superview for at least a year before I posted it here.


SuperView was so complicating though. It was really so hard to compare before bwchart =[
Lick my face!
LuckyCharm
Profile Joined January 2003
United Kingdom228 Posts
August 25 2003 18:11 GMT
#12
On August 26 2003 01:21 Muhweli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2003 01:14 MyztiC`Terran wrote:
JCA made apm. Didn't they also make the anti-map LT?


JcA is a person, not "they"


Also he's asking who first concocted the now popular buzzword acronym "APM", not who came up with the concept itself.
My hearts a tart
Mormon
Profile Joined August 2003
United States145 Posts
August 25 2003 19:03 GMT
#13
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=3701

May 5th 12:25, LumberJack... few posts down
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
August 25 2003 19:17 GMT
#14
nice ~nohunters
fillherman
Profile Joined December 2002
187 Posts
August 25 2003 23:09 GMT
#15
shox represent
jca
Profile Joined April 2003
France273 Posts
August 25 2003 23:34 GMT
#16
On August 26 2003 04:03 Mormon wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=3701

May 5th 12:25, LumberJack... few posts down


I think you're right, that's almost 5 hours before LaptopLegacy. But maybe they both thought of the term at the same time?

And who got the idea of measuring apm from the Superview window?
http://www.bwchart.com
Mormon
Profile Joined August 2003
United States145 Posts
August 25 2003 23:44 GMT
#17
I was thinking/using the term "APM" before I knew anybody else had thought of it... it just seemed like common sense to me. Miles Per Hour, MPH... Rotations Per Minute, RPM...

I'm sure many people did the same.

But I think LumberJack has the first mention of it on the forums.

Dunno about that last question.
roCh
Profile Joined October 2002
Sweden870 Posts
August 26 2003 00:20 GMT
#18
who gives?
roCh - pronouced rock - comes in all sizes
GundamVX
Profile Joined June 2003
United States1025 Posts
August 26 2003 01:56 GMT
#19
I just figured you made it up, lol

Guess you were just the 'messenger'

(what language you program it in?)
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28703 Posts
August 26 2003 03:09 GMT
#20
me/victor were the first persons who thought about comparing the speed of two players outside the other group of people who got access to superview more than a year ago. ^_^ which we did to compare ilnps wdt speed to his normal speed.

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