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On December 02 2010 18:30 Acritter wrote:Congrats for inventing perhaps the most pervasively misguiding element of skill in Starcraft bar cutesy strategies, I guess... I just wish there was some way to measure USEFUL APM, so mid-level players would stop spamming and learn to play.It is cool to see how important TL.net is, though. Whatever starts here ends up in the entire American Starcraft community at the very least, the most recent example being the 7 Roach Rush (posted on TL.net, created by a program posted on TL.net, if my sources are correct) which has been a little FotM rush for a while now. + Show Spoiler +
Lol. You ever heard of EAPM? Well, after looking at your join date... probably not.
I wasn't on TL at the time bwchart was made but I remember jca for sometime, and it was for something big, and now I know what it was :D. Good job jca, you shaped the whole community, and you really should have put a copyright on APM lol!
On December 02 2010 19:06 Shikyo wrote:
Aah, my posting has been so bad lately but the first few pages of this thread make me feel slightly better. =P
I absolutely loved BWChart, I remember when I first had only 40 apm and then checked my APM after every game until I finally hit my record of about 250 apm. I wasn't around back then, but I'm sure that the realization of APM had an effect on quite a few people. I really appreciate what you've done for the community, BWChart was something I used daily back when I played SCBW. I guess it must feel great to have Blizzard include an APM feature in their replays(despite it being wrong) since you've pretty much developed them.
I really wish I could find out my EAPM in SC2 as well, though... I don't think there's a reliable way yet. By the way, I believe that the original concept of EAPM was developed by some russian program called Repinfo, but I really am not sure and apologize if I'm incorrect.
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wow, serious props to you man, always kinda knew apm was a spawn of TL but didnt know that we had its creator right here 
btw, ive always wondered, does the OSL or MSL use your program as well?
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Wow. I am really glad the acronym changed to apm instead of act/min. lol
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Does this keep getting bumped cause everyone loves the red print on the front page?
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Can people please just read the thread properly, no one cares about your opinion on the keyboard.
I want to kno, where did it come from??? OP please update with valuable posts!
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On December 31 2010 07:04 MrShank wrote:
Can people please just read the thread properly, no one cares about your opinion on the keyboard.
I want to kno, where did it come from??? OP please update with valuable posts!
Wow, learn to read the first post yourself please.
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Wow, this guy "invented" apm?
Must have been a lot of work to write a program measuring the apm back in bw. Kudos.
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i wouldnt say anybody invented apm. especially SC:BW. its like saying, who invented walking? its something that the earliest man did, but was only given a name when it was thought about. same with strategy games and APM.
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I actually ended up reading the threads linked in the OP and had a fun APM history lesson. Boxer replays being analyzed for the first time with 131 APM must have been awesome at the time. It's funny how far players have come. Also funny how a quick warning from an Admin can lead to such sweet reads.
Haha so many warnings, c'mon people read the post properly
I did not know that the term APM originated here, thanks. Also thanks, did not realize the OP had links xD
But wow, Boxer had only 131 APM? I've only played BW competitively for like 50 hours max, including observing... and I have 180 APM as Zerg. (May be that's why, since he's Terran).
Well anyways the level he played at with 131 APM, that's pretty amazing
@OP
Agreed, cheers for TL community! =D
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I don't understand why people can't discuss the Razer thingy here, its part of the op, you guys are too uptight imo
And Yeah Yoshi you wouldn't believe it but BW was about strategy much more than mechanics before 1.08 when replay function was implemented, strategies got standardized and mechanics became equally or even more important Grrrr, or Garimto were notorious 120-160 apm guys that owned hard without clicking like madmen
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that's actually pretty awesome i'd say. since i only came in from SC2, and my experience with BW is pretty much 99% games that were played in the last 3 years at proleague and such, i had no idea that APM was not actually always a part of starcraft.
i had assumed all of this time, with how much of a fuss people make over it, that it was always something important to some extent within the game. would've never learned about your contribution without this thread. awesome <3
and even more awesome is how much of an amazing ban trap this thread has become. this thead has improved TL in so many ways, hahaha
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On December 31 2010 07:25 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +I actually ended up reading the threads linked in the OP and had a fun APM history lesson. Boxer replays being analyzed for the first time with 131 APM must have been awesome at the time. It's funny how far players have come. Also funny how a quick warning from an Admin can lead to such sweet reads. Haha so many warnings, c'mon people read the post properly I did not know that the term APM originated here, thanks. Also thanks, did not realize the OP had links xD But wow, Boxer had only 131 APM? I've only played BW competitively for like 50 hours max, including observing... and I have 180 APM as Zerg. (May be that's why, since he's Terran). Well anyways the level he played at with 131 APM, that's pretty amazing @OP Agreed, cheers for TL community! =D
Actually that's really surprisingly cause Terran bio really should be as high as Z especially at lower level, can't believe it.
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ya know back when i played brood war, bw charts really made things much easier for me and helped me alot. also loved the anti hack feature that helped open my eyes to how many hackers were on b net and ultimately got me to start playing iccup. and its only then on the iccup ladder that i started getting REALLY interested in bw and also only then did i start actually getting good.
cheers to JCA and to TL and its mods!!!!! thank you for all the hard work and dedication.
ps what happend to your old account jc did you forget the nick and pass???
On December 02 2010 18:34 integral wrote:Amazing thread so far. I <3 bwchart and still use it every time I play broodwar. Amongst TL members we manage to have a pretty awesome group here -- all the streamers, quality posters, translators, moderators, the players, the fans, and even the noobs who don't have any idea how to read a thread, you guys make this a place worth returning to day in and day out. Cheers TL!  
this post made me laugh =D.
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On December 02 2010 22:16 Laforge wrote:
I dont understand all the warnings.
Normally TL warnings makes perfect sense but can the staff please explain why there are this many warnings???
because people are just blabbin there ass hat off and not reading the OP. you obviously didnt read it either or even the subsuqent pages or else the red text would prolly make sense. perfect sense actually.
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About boxer's apm (mentioned in some posts earlier)...
![[image loading]](http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/1470/boxerapm.png)
...Stop calling out bullshit.
131 my ass.
I can't speak for when replays and the term "apm" didn't excist, but I think it's reasonable to imagine it's higher than 131.
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It's because of threads like these TL.net is awesome, haha.
Well done
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On December 31 2010 13:37 XsebT wrote:
About boxer's apm (mentioned in some posts earlier)...
...Stop calling out bullshit.
131 my ass.
I can't speak for when replays and the term "apm" didn't excist, but I think it's reasonable to imagine it's higher than 131.
In the original APM thread, there were people posting different APMs, and they said top players had below 200.
Edit: The 131 APM is mentioned here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=62746
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On December 31 2010 13:37 XsebT wrote:About boxer's apm (mentioned in some posts earlier)... ...Stop calling out bullshit. 131 my ass. I can't speak for when replays and the term "apm" didn't excist, but I think it's reasonable to imagine it's higher than 131.
And here I was all proud with my 99 APM's  What I would give to be able to click like that...
Great thread OP, that's some cool stuff
Off-topic: is that Liquid-Nazgul? O.o
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