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Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
December 02 2010 01:41 GMT
#41
It's seems almost nobody got that this thread is about how teamliquid invented the term "APM" and not about razer...

however, the amazing work of jca kinda remembered me off all the other amazing stuff that TL members contributed like chaoslauncher (Masterofchaos, you are awesome!) and so on.

Just an awesome, creative and influential community. Go TL!
Accer
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)319 Posts
December 02 2010 01:45 GMT
#42
Hey JCA, I just wanted to say a big thank-you since it's because of you that I discovered the pro-scene. Many many years ago, back when I knew nothing of SC except money maps, I happened across Manifesto7's RWA site. It's because of those commentaries (only made possible through your software) that I discovered Teamliquid and started really loving Starcraft. <3
ReighT
Profile Joined July 2010
46 Posts
December 02 2010 01:45 GMT
#43
I was actually going to purchase some of those products to see how they were, but I saw the hefty price tag. There aren't many customer reviews, so maybe when the price lowers I'll see for myself how well those stand out. Especially the keyboard.

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Gezz
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom81 Posts
December 02 2010 01:46 GMT
#44
Ok this has gotten pretty ridiculous (yet hilarious) with people still getting banned, maybe changing the thread title would help keep discussion on topic.
Daliniues
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada117 Posts
December 02 2010 01:47 GMT
#45
This would be kind of fun to see at tournaments.

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Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 01:55:09
December 02 2010 01:53 GMT
#46
Oh my god this thread is golden. 1st page brings tears to my eyes.

Btw I like APM technology headsets. I wouldn't buy one but I like them because when the camera switches to the player I can tell "oh he's doing this", or "oh that thing is happening". All in all the mouse and headset are mostly fashion items in my opinion.

edit: and yeah that thread about APM invention was really nice and informative. I always thought that APM was a basic and generic game-related term.
o choro é livre
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
December 02 2010 01:56 GMT
#47
LoL is this one of those sponsored threads TL was talking about??

But that's cool to know thanks OP, however I am not sure what TL invented? was it the acronym APM to stand for actions per minute, or did they discover the technology to record the APM in a game?
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Syben
Profile Joined October 2010
United States512 Posts
December 02 2010 01:57 GMT
#48
Seeing all the red is epic haha. I personally wouldn't use this keyboard, shiny flashy things distract me, even if I am not looking at my keyboard. Id rather have it light up when im about to get supply blocked haha

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stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 02:02:31
December 02 2010 02:00 GMT
#49
What the hell is with all the warnings? Telling me to read the thread when I obviously did and posted to it.

The products are a waste of money and the technology is of very little use and practicality. Want to warn me for that too?

Edit: Does it matter who invented it? The thread is eventually going to just continue on about what APM is being adapted to and how the economic opportunities are being taken advantage of this useless addition of APM.

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
December 02 2010 02:00 GMT
#50
Holy red text
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
December 02 2010 02:03 GMT
#51
On December 02 2010 11:00 stevarius wrote:
What the hell is with all the warnings? Telling me to read the thread when I obviously did and posted to it.

The products are a waste of money and the technology is of very little use and practicality. Want to warn me for that too?

Edit: Does it matter who invented it? The thread is eventually going to just continue on about what APM is being adapted to and how the economic opportunities are being taken advantage of this useless addition of APM.


Read the second part. The part about who invented "APM" on TL. That's the more critical part of this thread.
Yargh
DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
December 02 2010 02:04 GMT
#52
On December 02 2010 11:00 stevarius wrote:
What the hell is with all the warnings? Telling me to read the thread when I obviously did and posted to it.

The products are a waste of money and the technology is of very little use and practicality. Want to warn me for that too?


I've seen them ban people for "Want to warn me for that too?" statements. Besides, this topic isn't about razer's products.
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Igakusei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States610 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 02:10:31
December 02 2010 02:05 GMT
#53
Oorah JCA!

We love you! <3

And another one for Jibba
5ahj4g
Profile Joined August 2010
72 Posts
December 02 2010 02:06 GMT
#54
you might as well ask who invented air, or food

or whatever

newsflash, people have been performing actions and time has been passing for quite a while now

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stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
December 02 2010 02:06 GMT
#55
On December 02 2010 11:04 DeltruS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 11:00 stevarius wrote:
What the hell is with all the warnings? Telling me to read the thread when I obviously did and posted to it.

The products are a waste of money and the technology is of very little use and practicality. Want to warn me for that too?


I've seen them ban people for "Want to warn me for that too?" statements. Besides, this topic isn't about razer's products.

Well I can't seem to find anything on who invented APM and I'm sure it was a culmination of people who projected it as a way to measure skill.... however wrong and misguided they may have been in doing so.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Igakusei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States610 Posts
December 02 2010 02:10 GMT
#56
On December 02 2010 11:06 stevarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 11:04 DeltruS wrote:
On December 02 2010 11:00 stevarius wrote:
What the hell is with all the warnings? Telling me to read the thread when I obviously did and posted to it.

The products are a waste of money and the technology is of very little use and practicality. Want to warn me for that too?


I've seen them ban people for "Want to warn me for that too?" statements. Besides, this topic isn't about razer's products.

Well I can't seem to find anything on who invented APM and I'm sure it was a culmination of people who projected it as a way to measure skill.... however wrong and misguided they may have been in doing so.


Don't be such a downer; this thread is about the awesomeness of TL, APM, JCA, and beer. We can talk about razer producs, marketing strategies, the global economy, and the discussion of APM vs skill later.


+ Show Spoiler +
actually I think we've already had that last one a couple times.
ZomgTossRush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1041 Posts
December 02 2010 02:10 GMT
#57
I am not sure what the OP is trying to ask. Are you asking what actions per minute is? If so, im not sure who first coined the term back in sc1 days. It's a fairly common term, like words per minute or beats per minute. It's just a form of measurement. And don't forget sc2 apm is actually misleading due to the speed settings, if i recall sc2 apm is 40% faster than the actually physical time of minute. Ex: 100 sc2 "apm" is really 140 actions per minute.


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Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
December 02 2010 02:10 GMT
#58
On December 02 2010 10:31 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 10:21 aRRR wrote:
Whats up with all these warnings? Do you get warned around here when you make fun of a Razer product?

Over many millenia, human brains have developed large frontal lobes which sets them apart from other animals.

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The executive functions of the frontal lobes involve the ability to recognize future consequences resulting from current actions, to choose between good and bad actions (or better and best), override and suppress unacceptable social responses, and determine similarities and differences between things or events. Therefore, it is involved in higher mental functions.

Source: Wikipedia.


Posting in threads before actually reading them constitutes an unacceptable social response, and failing to suppress this urge will get you punished. Our users all possess this ability (besides the Walrus and Sheep) and are expected to utilize it.

Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 02:12:17
December 02 2010 02:10 GMT
#59
I really don't know what's the best about this thread. The fact that jca reminded us of how amazing TL is, or that even the people who post stuff like "lololl all those warning rofl, epic" go on to talk about the razer gear? If this were a blog, I would definitely give 5/5.
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
December 02 2010 02:11 GMT
#60
On December 02 2010 11:10 ZomgTossRush wrote:
I am not sure what the OP is trying to ask. Are you asking what actions per minute is? If so, im not sure who first coined the term back in sc1 days. It's a fairly common term, like words per minute or beats per minute. It's just a form of measurement. And don't forget sc2 apm is actually misleading due to the speed settings, if i recall sc2 apm is 40% faster than the actually physical time of minute. Ex: 100 sc2 "apm" is really 140 actions per minute.


He asked absolutely nothing.
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