EPTThe 100 Four Gate Challenge - Page 5
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Velr
Switzerland10991 Posts
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bLuR
Canada625 Posts
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haegN
Norway547 Posts
On November 24 2010 18:25 Spiegel wrote: If you are winning 75% of games with 4 gate are you better or worse than someone who wins 60% of games with a macro oriented play? I got 3 words for you brother. Play To Win | ||
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haegN
Norway547 Posts
On November 24 2010 18:40 bLuR wrote: this thread is embarrassing... Please elaborate. One liners that are not funny really does not contribute to the community -.- | ||
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Jyon
United Kingdom39 Posts
Surely 20/25 would be more than enough time for a player of any ranking to aclimatise to the particulars (whether or not you argue there is any in a 4 gate) of the build, AND be enough time that the results can act as data regarding the general success of the strategy? Personally as a Z player, objectively I'm not particularly bothered one way or the other - the more any one race confines themselves to a build, the more practice and familiarity I gain, which just eventually makes it easier for me to improve - but even if my only motivation to post is for the sake of interesting reading; I think this challenge could use a little more thought. As it stands, I think its likely that very few people will bother 4 gating for 100 games unless they were already planning on doing so, and even then I dont see that there is much to be gained at all by anaysing the results of a build that already enjoys widespread implementation and a great deal of success from bronze level execution to diamond. | ||
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haegN
Norway547 Posts
On November 24 2010 19:23 Jyon wrote: Whether or not you believe rehearsing this already well established build will improve your game and ability as a player or not - why 100 games? Surely 20/25 would be more than enough time for a player of any ranking to aclimatise to the particulars (whether or not you argue there is any in a 4 gate) of the build, AND be enough time that the results can act as data regarding the general success of the strategy? Personally as a Z player, objectively I'm not particularly bothered one way or the other - the more any one race confines themselves to a build, the more practice and familiarity I gain, which just eventually makes it easier for me to improve - but even if my only motivation to post is for the sake of interesting reading; I think this challenge could use a little more thought. As it stands, I think its likely that very few people will bother 4 gating for 100 games unless they were already planning on doing so, and even then I dont see that there is much to be gained at all by anaysing the results of a build that already enjoys widespread implementation and a great deal of success from bronze level execution to diamond. I will sleep on in then come back with constructive feedback to your eloquent post. | ||
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SteveNick
United States304 Posts
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Joementum
787 Posts
LOL. If you really think 4-gating your way to the higher skill levels is the way to go, then please, keep wasting your time. I can't wait until you get to the point where all your 4-gate all ins are getting held off and you get roflstomped. | ||
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FetTerBender
Germany1393 Posts
On November 24 2010 19:49 Joementum wrote: LOL. If you really think 4-gating your way to the higher skill levels is the way to go, then please, keep wasting your time. I can't wait until you get to the point where all your 4-gate all ins are getting held off and you get roflstomped. Not wanting to be a smartass, but a 4-Gate is just a valid opener. Its aswell as i 6-pool (i think i even saw a replay of TLO doing a 6-pool versus Toss recently, where he did damage his opponents eco so hard that he was ahead in Drones after the Attack...) It teaches you to micro, you can macro up / expand! while you attack and reinforce. As long as you execute it in a good way, there is nothing to criticise a 4-Gate toss for. I dont tech and try to cripple / kill my opponent early on. If it works, i am at least ahead in eco and can tech up, if a timing push fails you are (in most cases) behind, at least a little. So... Why not do it? | ||
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DDKz
Australia188 Posts
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Joementum
787 Posts
On November 24 2010 20:08 FetTerBender wrote: Not wanting to be a smartass, but a 4-Gate is just a valid opener. Its aswell as i 6-pool (i think i even saw a replay of TLO doing a 6-pool versus Toss recently, where he did damage his opponents eco so hard that he was ahead in Drones after the Attack...) It teaches you to micro, you can macro up / expand! while you attack and reinforce. As long as you execute it in a good way, there is nothing to criticise a 4-Gate toss for. I dont tech and try to cripple / kill my opponent early on. If it works, i am at least ahead in eco and can tech up, if a timing push fails you are (in most cases) behind, at least a little. So... Why not do it? Opening with just a 4-gate all the time is going to cripple you in the long-run. Most people don't know how to properly defend against a 4-gate and it's just going to get you up higher in the ladder than you should be. If you ever decide to transition out of just doing the 4-gate build all the time, then you're going to get roflstomped. Sure, you can do a 4-gate and then learn how to transition out of it, but chances are your opponent left and gg'd out before you even got a chance to transition out of the 4-gate, so when you start playing against people who defend the 4-gate build you won't know what the hell to do. | ||
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Panoptic
United Kingdom515 Posts
Nope. Play to get better. You'll lose more games in the short term, win more in the long term. | ||
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ABAH
Australia43 Posts
seconded. | ||
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mustache
Switzerland309 Posts
4 gating will teach you how to 4 gate and nothing else, it is not demanding macro wise and despite what everyone says it isn't demanding micro wiso either. how it can be more micro intense than a 200/200 army battle i dont understand. Surely a handfull of units (generally of 1-2 types) are less demanding than an army consisting HT stalkers zealots sentrys and collosus? | ||
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smallerk
897 Posts
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bobbingmatt
Australia224 Posts
Depends how you define winning, if you want to win most of your games now, go ahead and 4 gate. But if you want to win in the long term you will need to become better at the game by using less cheesy strategies. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
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