How in the world is this why laddering is "so boring and tedious", please elaborate.. Because all you see in ladder are 4 gates? This is plain out wrong.

And if it is not that which you are referring too what is it exactly? I do not quite get where you are coming from.

Because you play against bad players that do 1 strategy.

FetTerBender

Germany1393 Posts

November 24 2010 15:42 GMT

#123

On November 25 2010 00:36 ci_esteban wrote:

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Because you play against bad players that do 1 strategy.

Rating players on "good" or "bad" because of the strategy they use is not correct i think.

If, lets say, HuK would participate in this and would execute 100* a perfect 4 Gate with a Transition into... afterwards, i wouldnt brand him as a bad player. So its pretty interesting to conclude: "Pfwah, that guy HAS to be newb, he uses 4 Gate!"

Pitsot

Russian Federation20 Posts

November 24 2010 15:49 GMT

#124

Sounds interesting, I'll try it. Don't have a clear idea if it will lower my stats or not.

Spiegel

Australia79 Posts

November 24 2010 15:51 GMT

#125

I'm 6 games into the challenge, and I'm being placed against 1800 point diamond players.

I am nowhere near that good of a player. maybe 4 gate is too good for newbs

hopefully ill get promoted soon enough tho.

Jedimonky

United States56 Posts

November 24 2010 16:03 GMT

#126

Regardless of whether you think that 4 gating is all-in, cheesy, hard to beat, easy to beat... The point is that practice makes perfect. I think this is a great idea! I also think that if you want to get better this is something that you need to learn to do. I am not referring to the 4-gate in particular I am talking about practice the same build over and over and over again until you have it perfected. I think it is good practice to play on the ladder and do the same build every single game, because even if you lose, the knowledge gained from it will help you discover either flaws in your execution or builds that counter your build.

So yeah go play 100 games 4-gating or 2 gate roboing,... or whatever build you are working on. Save every replay as a win or loss and mark specific ones you want to go back and watch. THEN go back and watch the games and see what you did wrong and what you did right.

Also 4 gating is a completely legitimate build with MANY variations. Some of which are not all-in. Great idea OP!

ScythedBlade

308 Posts

November 24 2010 16:08 GMT

#127

Why do people complain about 4gate so much? It seems like its easy to hold and it's an all-in strategy. I only have it work in PvP, but I almost solely rely on FE in Terran and Zerg, because frankly, Zerg Roaches own FE pretty awesomely and Terran's ball seems to own 4 gate a lot, usually as it nears the right combination.

Najda

United States3765 Posts

November 24 2010 16:09 GMT

#128

Just think of all the free points at higher levels after this challenge is over!

StarN

United States2587 Posts

November 24 2010 16:10 GMT

#129

As a terran I find 4 warpgate REALLY EASY to hold off. As long as I can scout/scan it i'll have a ton of bunkers up (salvage ftw) and an expo long enough i'll win 99.9% of the time.

Scrimpton

United Kingdom465 Posts

November 24 2010 16:15 GMT

#130

On November 25 2010 01:09 Najda wrote:
Just think of all the free points at higher levels after this challenge is over!

or imagine the 4 warpgate master race, after having played and perfected the same opening, learning transitions that make your eyes water on the way.. a focused precision cut into the heart of the meta game. Slashing away at the artery of brutality that is Zerg.

nvm.

Tenks

United States3104 Posts

November 24 2010 16:26 GMT

#131

This isn't much of a challenge. More appropriate title should be "Play Protoss for 100 games."

Moody

United States750 Posts

November 24 2010 16:38 GMT

#132

The reason Starcraft 2 is so dynamic and EXCITING is because builds like 4 gate, and 6 pool, and 3rax exist. How cool was it to see NesTea go for fast hatch Game 1 and scv/marine rushed? And then the EXACT same build in game 7 goes the other way.

Where does this "ALL YOUR GAMES MUST LAST 30 MINUTES" attitude come from?

Mongery

892 Posts

November 24 2010 16:39 GMT

#133

4gate build is not that good actually, many good t's and z's knows how to deal with it ;p

Drunken.Jedi

Germany446 Posts

November 24 2010 16:44 GMT

#134

I think I'm actually gonna try this. I'm a Zerg player, but I used to play random so I know some Protoss as well, but it's still my weakest race. Let's see if I can actually improve my ranking while offracing.

Name/ID: drunkenJedi.346
Division: Diamond
Points before "Hundred 4Gate Challenge": 1989 (11 Bonus pool)
Points 20 Games into challenge: ?
Final score: ?
Replay pack: Coming SOON ( and not in the blizzard sense)

FetTerBender

Germany1393 Posts

November 24 2010 16:45 GMT

#135

On November 25 2010 01:38 Moody wrote:
The reason Starcraft 2 is so dynamic and EXCITING is because builds like 4 gate, and 6 pool, and 3rax exist. How cool was it to see NesTea go for fast hatch Game 1 and scv/marine rushed? And then the EXACT same build in game 7 goes the other way.

Where does this "ALL YOUR GAMES MUST LAST 30 MINUTES" attitude come from?

Macroing up and massing really big armies to fight epic 400 supply battles or huge siege my base games are considered more skillfull than using 6 critical little lings worth 3 supply and smacking the enemies eco out.

I dont know why, but it seems to be like this.

Fleet 9

United States40 Posts

November 24 2010 16:46 GMT

#136

Haha I like this idea. I'll go for it. Do we have to use one specific variation the entire time?

Name/ID: Silex.680
Division: Platinum
Points before "Hundred 4Gate Challenge": 1520 (bonus pool: 80)
Date started: 11/24/10
Points 20 Games into challenge: ?
Date ended: ?
Final score: ?
Replay pack: Coming soon.

nVusZah

United States64 Posts

November 24 2010 16:49 GMT

#137

Can someone show a build order?

Rakanishu2

United States475 Posts

November 24 2010 16:59 GMT

#138

I 4gated my way to diamond, then people figured out how to beat it, so now I do 2 gate robo and have been having much more success. Unless I scout a hatch before pool on an awkward to defense natural before I grab my robo, then I go 4 gate and punish!

Powster

United States650 Posts

November 24 2010 17:00 GMT

#139

4 gate is bad.. but not as bad as yall make it out to be lol.. I doubt many of you have high enough multitasking to be constantly poking/pressuring/harassing/containing with the extra units you have early on from 4 gating while macroing up in your base. Using 100 games to practice it will help your multitasking a lot and allow you even more to learn what units a person will have at that time so you can maybe skip a unit or 2 in normal build to have a better economy.

Calm

Canada380 Posts

November 24 2010 18:18 GMT

#140

i wanna see someone proxy 4-gateway. that would be funny. to me anyways.