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FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6185 Posts
November 24 2010 15:28 GMT
#121
if only I could hit the same guys 100 time and he go 4wargate every single time. lol
n_n
ci_esteban
Profile Joined April 2010
United States217 Posts
November 24 2010 15:36 GMT
#122
On November 24 2010 16:03 haegN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 15:57 ci_esteban wrote:
And this is why laddering is so boring and tedious...if you're trying to prove that people can get to unreasonably high rating 4 gating that has already been proven.

Luckily, anyone whose good at any of the 3 races can block it if they know it's coming. Granted some people are better at doing it than others.


How in the world is this why laddering is "so boring and tedious", please elaborate.. Because all you see in ladder are 4 gates? This is plain out wrong.

And if it is not that which you are referring too what is it exactly? I do not quite get where you are coming from.


Because you play against bad players that do 1 strategy.
FetTerBender
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany1393 Posts
November 24 2010 15:42 GMT
#123
On November 25 2010 00:36 ci_esteban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 16:03 haegN wrote:
On November 24 2010 15:57 ci_esteban wrote:
And this is why laddering is so boring and tedious...if you're trying to prove that people can get to unreasonably high rating 4 gating that has already been proven.

Luckily, anyone whose good at any of the 3 races can block it if they know it's coming. Granted some people are better at doing it than others.


How in the world is this why laddering is "so boring and tedious", please elaborate.. Because all you see in ladder are 4 gates? This is plain out wrong.

And if it is not that which you are referring too what is it exactly? I do not quite get where you are coming from.


Because you play against bad players that do 1 strategy.


Rating players on "good" or "bad" because of the strategy they use is not correct i think.

If, lets say, HuK would participate in this and would execute 100* a perfect 4 Gate with a Transition into... afterwards, i wouldnt brand him as a bad player. So its pretty interesting to conclude: "Pfwah, that guy HAS to be newb, he uses 4 Gate!"
There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
Pitsot
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation20 Posts
November 24 2010 15:49 GMT
#124
Sounds interesting, I'll try it. Don't have a clear idea if it will lower my stats or not.
Spiegel
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia79 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-24 16:03:25
November 24 2010 15:51 GMT
#125
I'm 6 games into the challenge, and I'm being placed against 1800 point diamond players.

I am nowhere near that good of a player. maybe 4 gate is too good for newbs

hopefully ill get promoted soon enough tho.
You really need to expand now.
Jedimonky
Profile Joined September 2010
United States56 Posts
November 24 2010 16:03 GMT
#126
Regardless of whether you think that 4 gating is all-in, cheesy, hard to beat, easy to beat... The point is that practice makes perfect. I think this is a great idea! I also think that if you want to get better this is something that you need to learn to do. I am not referring to the 4-gate in particular I am talking about practice the same build over and over and over again until you have it perfected. I think it is good practice to play on the ladder and do the same build every single game, because even if you lose, the knowledge gained from it will help you discover either flaws in your execution or builds that counter your build.

So yeah go play 100 games 4-gating or 2 gate roboing,... or whatever build you are working on. Save every replay as a win or loss and mark specific ones you want to go back and watch. THEN go back and watch the games and see what you did wrong and what you did right.

Also 4 gating is a completely legitimate build with MANY variations. Some of which are not all-in. Great idea OP!
ScythedBlade
Profile Joined May 2010
308 Posts
November 24 2010 16:08 GMT
#127
Why do people complain about 4gate so much? It seems like its easy to hold and it's an all-in strategy. I only have it work in PvP, but I almost solely rely on FE in Terran and Zerg, because frankly, Zerg Roaches own FE pretty awesomely and Terran's ball seems to own 4 gate a lot, usually as it nears the right combination.
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
November 24 2010 16:09 GMT
#128
Just think of all the free points at higher levels after this challenge is over!
StarN
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2587 Posts
November 24 2010 16:10 GMT
#129
As a terran I find 4 warpgate REALLY EASY to hold off. As long as I can scout/scan it i'll have a ton of bunkers up (salvage ftw) and an expo long enough i'll win 99.9% of the time.
Retired BW Noob
Scrimpton
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom465 Posts
November 24 2010 16:15 GMT
#130
On November 25 2010 01:09 Najda wrote:
Just think of all the free points at higher levels after this challenge is over!



or imagine the 4 warpgate master race, after having played and perfected the same opening, learning transitions that make your eyes water on the way.. a focused precision cut into the heart of the meta game. Slashing away at the artery of brutality that is Zerg.


nvm.
Protoss is the only race with "pro" in it
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
November 24 2010 16:26 GMT
#131
This isn't much of a challenge. More appropriate title should be "Play Protoss for 100 games."
Wat
Moody
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States750 Posts
November 24 2010 16:38 GMT
#132
The reason Starcraft 2 is so dynamic and EXCITING is because builds like 4 gate, and 6 pool, and 3rax exist. How cool was it to see NesTea go for fast hatch Game 1 and scv/marine rushed? And then the EXACT same build in game 7 goes the other way.

Where does this "ALL YOUR GAMES MUST LAST 30 MINUTES" attitude come from?

A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Where's the counter?"
Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
November 24 2010 16:39 GMT
#133
4gate build is not that good actually, many good t's and z's knows how to deal with it ;p
http://www.twitch.tv/mongery_tv https://www.esportsearnings.com/players/27699-mongery-
Drunken.Jedi
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany446 Posts
November 24 2010 16:44 GMT
#134
I think I'm actually gonna try this. I'm a Zerg player, but I used to play random so I know some Protoss as well, but it's still my weakest race. Let's see if I can actually improve my ranking while offracing.

Name/ID: drunkenJedi.346
Division: Diamond
Points before "Hundred 4Gate Challenge": 1989 (11 Bonus pool)
Points 20 Games into challenge: ?
Final score: ?
Replay pack: Coming SOON ( and not in the blizzard sense)
FetTerBender
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany1393 Posts
November 24 2010 16:45 GMT
#135
On November 25 2010 01:38 Moody wrote:
The reason Starcraft 2 is so dynamic and EXCITING is because builds like 4 gate, and 6 pool, and 3rax exist. How cool was it to see NesTea go for fast hatch Game 1 and scv/marine rushed? And then the EXACT same build in game 7 goes the other way.

Where does this "ALL YOUR GAMES MUST LAST 30 MINUTES" attitude come from?



Macroing up and massing really big armies to fight epic 400 supply battles or huge siege my base games are considered more skillfull than using 6 critical little lings worth 3 supply and smacking the enemies eco out.

I dont know why, but it seems to be like this.
There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
Fleet 9
Profile Joined August 2010
United States40 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-24 16:52:28
November 24 2010 16:46 GMT
#136
Haha I like this idea. I'll go for it. Do we have to use one specific variation the entire time?

Name/ID: Silex.680
Division: Platinum
Points before "Hundred 4Gate Challenge": 1520 (bonus pool: 80)
Date started: 11/24/10
Points 20 Games into challenge: ?
Date ended: ?
Final score: ?
Replay pack: Coming soon.
Things are only as offensive as you let them be,
nVusZah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States64 Posts
November 24 2010 16:49 GMT
#137
Can someone show a build order?
I'm too sexy for my pants
Rakanishu2
Profile Joined May 2009
United States475 Posts
November 24 2010 16:59 GMT
#138
I 4gated my way to diamond, then people figured out how to beat it, so now I do 2 gate robo and have been having much more success. Unless I scout a hatch before pool on an awkward to defense natural before I grab my robo, then I go 4 gate and punish!
10 G's in the packet and I'm ready to roll, on fire like a rocket and I'm ready to blow
Powster
Profile Joined April 2010
United States650 Posts
November 24 2010 17:00 GMT
#139
4 gate is bad.. but not as bad as yall make it out to be lol.. I doubt many of you have high enough multitasking to be constantly poking/pressuring/harassing/containing with the extra units you have early on from 4 gating while macroing up in your base. Using 100 games to practice it will help your multitasking a lot and allow you even more to learn what units a person will have at that time so you can maybe skip a unit or 2 in normal build to have a better economy.
Calm
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada380 Posts
November 24 2010 18:18 GMT
#140
i wanna see someone proxy 4-gateway. that would be funny. to me anyways.
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