EPTA Korean fan explains why he hates KeSPA - Page 4
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graphene
Finland211 Posts
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zoOv
Australia269 Posts
On November 14 2010 14:48 doothegee wrote: Koreans love to hate on anything that is Korean (e.g. Kespa) and love to worship anything that's foreign (Blizzard). I wouldn't be too surprised by any of this. Err don't think so mate. Koreans are one of the MOST patriotic people I have ever met. They love and support everything to do with their country. | ||
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GooKer
Korea (South)8 Posts
this is better writing i think. "51 reasons i hate Kespa" | ||
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Gonodactylus
54 Posts
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On November 14 2010 16:26 GooKer wrote: http://pgr21.com/?b=6&n=43542 this is better writing i think. "51 reasons i hate Kespa" Anyone willing to translate this too? I do love to read/hear what the Korean's think since they're more connected to the situation in Korea than we are, so thanks to Pizzapie for translating. | ||
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AJMcSpiffy
United States1154 Posts
On November 14 2010 16:22 graphene wrote: it makes sense that kespa would do something like this, after all sc2 is threatening their money their income right? Yeah it makes sense, but the problem is do they really have the right to? They were using a Blizzard product from the beginning without consent from blizzard, which wasn't a problem for a long time. But when Blizzard did step in and open the door, Kespa slammed it shut and barred their players from going over. They're right now reacting to a problem that they aggravated. | ||
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DaRkFrosT
United States407 Posts
Kespa = greedy as shit =/ | ||
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Blackhawk13
United States442 Posts
thnx for the translation edit: also was kespa supposed to stop broadcasting sc games august of this year or next year? | ||
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Gonodactylus
54 Posts
Kespa and their strict rules any day. Let stupid people be DQed, like Backho. If you can't follow the rules, you can't have a competition with actual integrity. But yeah, in MLG it doesn't really matter because you can hear the commentators anyway so there's already no integrity. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
But do you have any info or source in order to back up your claims? You made a lot of assumptions and speculations so I don't know if I should listen to you... | ||
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Pizzapie
Australia18 Posts
On November 14 2010 16:31 xBillehx wrote: Anyone willing to translate this too? I do love to read/hear what the Korean's think since they're more connected to the situation in Korea than we are, so thanks to Pizzapie for translating. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Shoud I? | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On November 14 2010 16:14 Selith wrote: 1. There's no "IP rights" of the progamers. 2. If KeSPA gets their way, they will push a law that would completely destroy any and every possible games from becoming e-sports in South Korea. What law would KeSPA want to push? | ||
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Pizzapie
Australia18 Posts
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Gonodactylus
54 Posts
Small corporations sometimes beat big ones so in that sense it's not all about money. The moral idea behind IP laws is that if you make new IP material you have copyright rights over that. Now whatever a moral idea behind a law says, if Flash sues Blizzard he will always lose no matter what. Not sure about Kespa vs Blizzard at all. But an American esports player who gets their moral IP right laws violated will never ever win against Blizzard. Korea right now is an exception. If Kespa gets crushed players will not have any rights over the esports material they produce. That's just bad. People need to understand this isn't just about Blizzard greed vs Kespa greed. Naturally most people here are SC2 people and they will support Blizzard no matter what because Kespa will never ever play a role in SC2. But Blizzard claims IP rights are shared 50-50 between the broadcasters and Blizzard. Kespa claims its 33-33-33 where the players as represented by Kespa also have their IP rights. Now kespa may support all this for their own greed but that doesn't matter. In the end this will create precedent and shape the future of esports. Do players have IP rights that are protected and respected or do they not have them? | ||
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Pleiades
United States472 Posts
On November 14 2010 16:26 Gonodactylus wrote: I suggest people read up to what chess player Evgeny Sveshnikov has said about IP rights. It's the closest thing to the Kespa vs Blizzard debate anyone can find. But in the chess world the chess players had no one that would support this and chess players never went on strike for their rights. Please clarify how does a chess player's gamescore/strategy relates to Blizzard's IP of Starcraft is being used by KeSPA. I do understand that Evgeny Sveshnikov wants some sort of compensation for his ideas, thoughts, and strategies, but it is not the same as KeSPA or the players that are using Starcraft for E-Sports. No one has property rights of chess, but the tournament organizers have the rights to what the players produce of within it. If Evgeny Sveshnikov doesn't agree to the terms of the tournament, then he shouldn't play in it. Blizzard has IP rights to Starcraft, because they created, copyrighted, and trademarked it. Blizzard produced their product. | ||
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Pleiades
United States472 Posts
On November 14 2010 16:44 Gonodactylus wrote: In any business law the corporations always win over the people. That's because the corporations rigged the laws. If you want to know how that happen you can read Morton Horwitz's The Transformation of American law, which explains how corporations wrote the laws we have now. Small corporations sometimes beat big ones so in that sense it's not all about money. The moral idea behind IP laws is that if you make new IP material you have copyright rights over that. Now whatever a moral idea behind a law says, if Flash sues Blizzard he will always lose no matter what. Not sure about Kespa vs Blizzard at all. But an American esports player who gets their moral IP right laws violated will never ever win against Blizzard. Korea right now is an exception. If Kespa gets crushed players will not have any rights over the esports material they produce. That's just bad. Do you even know what IP rights are.... and I am an undergrad law student BTW. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On November 14 2010 16:32 DaRkFrosT wrote: Blizzard has every right to sue Kespa, if the list in the OP is correct. Kespa = greedy as shit =/ The list is so pro blizzard its sickening, I mean, sure KeSPA done alot of shit (DQ of Ruby fx) but I dont get why blizz doesnt treat the SCBW like free advertisement. You could make a thread which disposed KeSPA as the good guy and Blizzard as the villian and then people would agree on that in the thread. Sigh, netizens easily manipulated even though I guess all anti kespa would come here to show off their hate... | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On November 14 2010 16:37 Gonodactylus wrote: Ooh and far as pausing and DQing goes. In MLG you can pick random and pause the game when you get the wrong race so the game gets restarted. How unfair is that? I would definitely 'accidentally' pick random a final and get an edge that way. Then you need to be DQed for pausing but they don't enforce. And when they do enforce my opponents gets to force me to not build one type of unit? Rofl Kespa and their strict rules any day. Let stupid people be DQed, like Backho. If you can't follow the rules, you can't have a competition with actual integrity. But yeah, in MLG it doesn't really matter because you can hear the commentators anyway so there's already no integrity. If youre referring to the TLO game thats not what happened at all, please dont comment out of ignorance | ||
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Zyban
United States54 Posts
On November 14 2010 16:26 Gonodactylus wrote: I suggest people read up to what chess player Evgeny Sveshnikov has said about IP rights. It's the closest thing to the Kespa vs Blizzard debate anyone can find. But in the chess world the chess players had no one that would support this and chess players never went on strike for their rights. except in this situation blizzard owns the intellectual property of "chess". Kespa vs players would be a more accurate comparison, but SC players are under contract to play so its not even accurate at all. The argument with chess was the players never recieved compensation from the parties gaining monetary advantage from their PERSONAL intellectual property (IE, their game records which they were forced to hand over). | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
Well this OP was a fun read, but I'd trust Milki's judgement in all things since he's been keeping up with the SC proscene so far. Wonder if there are anti-Blizzard Korean lists out there, has to be at least a few... It's all about interpretation imo, though some of the claims by that reporter are pretty amusing. Clearly I'd take something that has been proven for the last 10 years but that's just me. Also to anyone discussing IP rights, I doubt it's as simple as Blizzard making the game > able to do anything they want regarding SCBW. | ||
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