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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 21:25:10
December 07 2010 21:23 GMT
#501
On December 08 2010 05:52 theqat wrote:
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On December 08 2010 05:49 p14c wrote:
At least KESPA doesn't ban people on youtube casting proleague games...Just saying...


If KESPA provided a legal, for-pay way for non-Koreans to watch, they would close down BW Youtube channels. GOM is 100% justified in this.


You have Kespa and MBC/OGN confused. It's the broadcasters that request for videos to be taken down from youtube. If MBC/OGN wanted to they would have done it years go. But their videos are all over Korean sites as well. It doesn't matter whether non-Koreans pay to watch or not. Mnet requests for videos to be pulled from youtube all the time.
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Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
December 07 2010 21:32 GMT
#502
On December 08 2010 05:44 dreammakerx wrote:


I wonder if it happend to somebody else, or its only me. I bought the copy, installed it, put in the cd key....played, logged out, tried to log in again and it didnt work. When i was creating a new account the cd key didnt work obviously, but i have no idea where it went, cause i wasnt using another account. So the best guess is that somebody stole my cd key under a different account. Dont ask me how, I really dont know. I made UBISOFT aware of that, asked them to reset my cd key or if possible give me the account information it was registered to. They are not able to provide me the account information to "my own" account and the wont reset my cd key because apparently its not possible. I have sent them the receit, my old cd- key, all that is required, but still they wont assist me in this. Dont get me wrong, its not about the money, its about the principle. I bought a game, i payed for it, and i cant play it, and the company ist helpfull at all. Iam really considering to take this one to court. Any advice ? cause apparently iam not the only one having this kind of a problem. A guy from france started already a petition against ubisoft. Iam just really surprised that paying customers get treated like robber or even worse. I really think there is something wrong with the company management. How am I not entitled to use a product I payed for ? can somebody explain me ubisoft's logic, because i can see it, Iam sorry. Oh and the game was HAWX 2

It took a long while from when I registered to when I could first log in. It took a while before the registration took hold around 24 hours or so if I remember correctly. But that was all.

I did a quick google and found this http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200809/ldselect/ldeucom/126/12610.htm

What would be of interest to you is "43 The Law Commission indicated that at least eight European jurisdictions currently recognise an initial right to a refund for faulty goods: United Kingdom, France, Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Latvia, Lithuania and Slovenia.".

Here in the UK we have the sale of goods act that means basically that anything sold has to be fit for the purpose it was sold for. So for example a game you cant play through no fault of your own due to a cd activation not working (as long as you meet hardware requirements etc) would definitely come under that. It sounds like you have a similar law in Slovenia too or it wouldnt be mentioned in that article I would find out what rights you have and take it from there. Also if you paid by credit card, sometimes they will take the money back on your behalf if you have a valid complaint too. Sadly that only applies to credit cards though as far as I know. I would try and get a refund from the place you bought the game from. If it was a download purchase its going to be harder to pursue because nothing beats standing in a shop and being a (polite) pain in the arse.

As to their logic. They are trying to protect against someone ringing up pretending they have purchased the game or trying to get a key belonging to someone else. Also sometimes pirated copies of games and keys are sold as if they are geniune.
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
December 07 2010 21:44 GMT
#503
On December 07 2010 22:15 purgerinho wrote:
england made football (soccer), usa made basketball...

imagine what would happen if everyone should pay them fees because of that..

e-sports is like sports and blizzard should be happy to be promoted through it and that is it..

every country has its own organization/association in every sport.. imagine expansion of e-sport and imagine if every country will make their own kespa... imagine how much money would that be for blizzard..

blizzard is wrong.. does they pay fees because they use tools for making games? no! why should e-sport association do same thing?

if kespa will lose than e-sport has no chance in near future


I see your point but I have to disagree. Was football and basketball being sold as a commercial product to the people? Starcraft is a copyrighted and registered game developed by a company. If you want to make money out of it, you need to pay the licence. It makes perfect sense to me.
And you are completely right that they could (abuse) every version of kespa. As multinational companies do that.
ccdnl
Profile Joined April 2010
United States611 Posts
December 07 2010 22:03 GMT
#504
Wow, thanks a gazillion pizzapie. Was a very interesting read.
civil cervixes || Kang Min Fan || I like TLO, TLO= German, I like Germans..?
ccdnl
Profile Joined April 2010
United States611 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 22:17:10
December 07 2010 22:09 GMT
#505
On November 14 2010 14:46 LG)Sabbath wrote:
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do soccer players pay the soccer ball manufacturers for a match

isn't this actually a good argument though?


No...correct me if I'm wrong but Soccer ball manufacturers didn't create the game of Soccer. Most likely, soccer ball manufacturers STARTED after the game was created. So you see why that argument is a bit histrionic/sophistic. The creator has the rights to the creation, the manufacturers are accessories to the creation.

I'm sure KesPA needs to be credited for widening the publicity of the game but its core popularity belongs to Blizz because for heaven's sake, they're the one who put their minds into creating it.


On November 14 2010 14:53 GTR wrote:
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On November 14 2010 14:48 doothegee wrote:
Koreans love to hate on anything that is Korean (e.g. Kespa) and love to worship anything that's foreign (Blizzard). I wouldn't be too surprised by any of this.


I completely disagree. I believe Korea is probably one of the fervent, nationalistic cultures in the world.


I think from a resident, a native, or an outsider this view can be seen of all most countries.


edit: oh crap, double posted, sorry, meant to add this to previous post. And I know this was answered/replied to but My main post was to thank the OP and to add my response as a secondary point. Sorry for double post
civil cervixes || Kang Min Fan || I like TLO, TLO= German, I like Germans..?
Mainland
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 22:21:25
December 07 2010 22:14 GMT
#506
If you support pro-BW, you should be against Kespa. Kespa is pretty much holding BW ransom just so it doesn't have to pay Blizzard money for liscensing.

Precedent has been set for using software for financial gain. If you're a coorporation using Excel, Oracle Database, or even ninite.com, you're legally obligated to pay for licensing fees (generally MUCH higher than the end-user has to pay) even if you don't make a profit. Obviously that also depends on the licensing terms for the particular software (i.e. if it's open-source), but for BW and SC2, that is the case. The soccer ball argument is childish and only appeals to those who are ignorant of the law, or on Kespa's side.

At this point, the only people who have a good reason to be on Kespa's side are Kespa employees. The players certainly don't like them. MBC and OGN certainly would jump at broadcasting BW without Kespa if the players and teams could somehow get out of their contracts.
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