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DeckOneBell
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States526 Posts
October 28 2010 06:01 GMT
#61
APM threads always come up once in a while. Generally, the idea is: All your APM should be for useful actions, you can always have more useful actions, so you can always have more APM, but you shouldn't focus too much on it.

The spam stuff is actually supposed to help you with your micro. "4-5-6" spam and stuff like that is to check your hatcheries and unit production facilities, all that fun stuff.

Mostly: don't worry about it. Just play more and it'll go up naturally.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
October 28 2010 06:31 GMT
#62
On October 28 2010 11:31 Silament wrote:
i did and won my 5 placements, but i dont know, personal wall for me kind of, even tho everyone i play with tells me im ready and that i should just start, the idea of losing even once to a bad player over a stupid cheese or some other crap they got lucky to pull off, and living with a permanent loss on my account keeps me from it, in SC: you could have practice accounts where you dont care about your W/L, SC2, you only get 1 account, 1 W/L record, and because unfortunately im a bit of a perfectionist, i wanna be sure i can win when the MMR pits me against 2000+ point players.


You do not seem like the type who is fit for ladder. If you don't like losing so much, just stick to custom games especially if you hate cheese. Trust me the mentality of "not wanting to lose" will seriously affect your gameplay and you may very well go on losing streaks.
Skinberger
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada54 Posts
October 28 2010 06:42 GMT
#63
I gotta say I am at about 70 average APM and damn proud of it! I play zerg and constantly am forgetting my creep tumors and larvae injects. I effectively have no micro and I especially cant macro while doing anything with my units at all. I'm still surprised haw much you don't really need to worry about much at the 1500 diamondish level. Anyways as for the OP, if you don't want a loss on your account then I definitely gotta say never ever ladder again. I don't care who you are your gonna lose on the ladder to something eventually.
rackdude
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States882 Posts
October 28 2010 06:55 GMT
#64
Just get on the ladder and start playing games. You will find things to do with your APM when you go "shit, I should've dadada".

And please when you get to 2000 diamond, then say you're a 2000 diamond. Until then, you're still whatever the ladder says you are. We all like to judge how we are without having to actually show it, but just be true to yourself. What your "potential" is isn't actually quantifiable, so why not just pown some noobs to show yourself how good you really are? Seriously, if you beat some high diamonds, you should not be scared of the ladder. Just go do it.
Sweet.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
October 28 2010 07:37 GMT
#65
On October 28 2010 11:25 toadstool wrote:
Can I ask you why you haven't started ladder yet, when you can 'roll' 1,500 diamond players?


Was about to ask the same thing =)
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
October 28 2010 08:01 GMT
#66
effective apm is better measure. but apm won't win you game. personally i think its sad those who overclick up to 300+ apm in early game just to get apm high. even if you were warming up, there's no reason for it to be that high.
i like cheese
Thunderfist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland159 Posts
October 28 2010 08:05 GMT
#67
APM Means really nothing, i wouldnt even care about it on your place.

Just now beated a guy, watched replay he had 200APM while i had mine 60-70. Really, it doesnt matter.
...has arrived.
Jimmy Raynor
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
902 Posts
October 28 2010 08:08 GMT
#68
No you don't need 300 apm. Look at White-Ra if you want to see a pro player who wins without such apm.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
October 28 2010 08:18 GMT
#69
hi, i´ve got a 30 cm penis. but i feel like its way too small, how can i enlarge it?

sorry, but i dont see the point in artificially increasing the apm when u already have a very decent apm and urself feel like u can handle everything u need to with it.

when u encounter a situation where ur apm feels lacking, then u might think about ways to increase it. if u dont, i wouldnt even waste a thought about it anymore.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
zTz
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States476 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 08:39:22
October 28 2010 08:36 GMT
#70
On October 28 2010 17:18 Black Gun wrote:
hi, i´ve got a 30 cm penis. but i feel like its way too small, how can i enlarge it?

sorry, but i dont see the point in artificially increasing the apm when u already have a very decent apm and urself feel like u can handle everything u need to with it.

when u encounter a situation where ur apm feels lacking, then u might think about ways to increase it. if u dont, i wouldnt even waste a thought about it anymore.


do you think... wow if I had a larger penis I would have the opportunity to execute strategy a, b, and c? I think not...

Btw your an idiot.

The apm increase is not "spam"... after game opening do you find yourself with free time to sit there and press your nexus hotkey/select probes multiple times? no.

it's from multitasking. If you want a lesson, request one of the progamers who's replays you watch with 300+ for help. Or watch their first person view like the rest of the world and try to pay attention to their selections.

GL with your travels...

ps.

yes, I do think your emoticon of a head banging on a brick wall is you making a correlation of a [blank] post, and a [blank] way to resolve it.
where's the rants n flames section?
GagnarTheUnruly
Profile Joined July 2010
United States655 Posts
October 28 2010 08:36 GMT
#71
Losing isn't the opposite of winning, it's the absence of winning...

If you want to win games, go win games. If you aren't good enough to beat 2000 diamonds, well... worse things can happen. And if you're worried about your APM, save it until you've played some games. If low APM is costing you too much time macroing, making it hard for you to manage battles, or getting in the way of your multitasking, then you can start worrying about it. Otherwise, just play games -- that's the whole point anyways.
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
October 28 2010 08:43 GMT
#72
The match making system is trying its hardest to get you to win only 50% of your games. As another guy has posted. Grow some balls and play the game.
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Wartortle
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia504 Posts
October 28 2010 08:48 GMT
#73
On October 28 2010 16:37 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 11:25 toadstool wrote:
Can I ask you why you haven't started ladder yet, when you can 'roll' 1,500 diamond players?


Was about to ask the same thing =)



^^^

this just seems like a ego boosting thread to me. "hi im really really good and fast and can beat very good players but i just dont want to. so should i try and be faster??"
Bleb
Profile Joined August 2010
Croatia278 Posts
October 28 2010 08:50 GMT
#74
I never really understood all the fuss about spamming, warming up and ridiculously high apm

I start with 20 apm till I build first building, than transition into 40 till I scout him, than some multitasking kicks in (scouting, harasing, organizing for attack/exp/defense) and it's 70-120 till actual fight happens (than I peak cca 150-180 but only for little time)... in 15 min long game it makes my average apm 90ish
If I spam (which I used to do when I'm nervous) apm is 300+ and I make a lot of mistakes usually because of it : ) instead of working I'm spamming... but at the end of game I feel good because I can insult my opponent for having lower apm and still winning
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
October 28 2010 08:54 GMT
#75
I always find it funny when people APM spam only for it to drop down below that in game.

Since when was "warm up" harder than the actual practice? Lol. It just makes it look like you're trying way too hard to show off.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
October 28 2010 08:57 GMT
#76
Don't start laddering. Your world view will be shattered as you realise you're nowhere near high diamond level because to get there you're going to have to learn to deal with a large variety of cheese and other strategies designed to get a quick win vs someone who doesn't know your style. If I play custom I'm mostly messing around with stupid strategies and not paying close attention to the game as I would in ladder.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 28 2010 09:02 GMT
#77
Your APM should be high enough to do everything you want to do, when you want to do it.

That's it.

I like spamming because stops me from overthinking and keeps me focused on my mental checklist of things I need to be doing.
whatsgrackalackin420
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 28 2010 09:05 GMT
#78
On October 28 2010 17:54 SovSov wrote:
I always find it funny when people APM spam only for it to drop down below that in game.

Since when was "warm up" harder than the actual practice? Lol. It just makes it look like you're trying way too hard to show off.


More downtime = more time to spam. There's literally nothing do in the first minute or two. If you only did the required actions, you would probably have 5 APM in the first two minutes.
whatsgrackalackin420
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
October 28 2010 09:08 GMT
#79
On October 28 2010 17:36 zTz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 17:18 Black Gun wrote:
hi, i´ve got a 30 cm penis. but i feel like its way too small, how can i enlarge it?

sorry, but i dont see the point in artificially increasing the apm when u already have a very decent apm and urself feel like u can handle everything u need to with it.

when u encounter a situation where ur apm feels lacking, then u might think about ways to increase it. if u dont, i wouldnt even waste a thought about it anymore.


do you think... wow if I had a larger penis I would have the opportunity to execute strategy a, b, and c? I think not...

Btw your an idiot.

The apm increase is not "spam"... after game opening do you find yourself with free time to sit there and press your nexus hotkey/select probes multiple times? no.

it's from multitasking. If you want a lesson, request one of the progamers who's replays you watch with 300+ for help. Or watch their first person view like the rest of the world and try to pay attention to their selections.

GL with your travels...

ps.

yes, I do think your emoticon of a head banging on a brick wall is you making a correlation of a [blank] post, and a [blank] way to resolve it.


wow, some people dont even recognize sarcasm when it bites them in the ass.....

the TS says he has an average apm of close to 200 in long games, which is plenty for sc2 on any non-professional level. then he says he never feels constrained by his apm and that he can beat 1.5k diamond players all the time, and then he asks if he should increase his apm even more? this sounds like a bragging thread to me. and yes, imho all this focus on apm is just some sort of guys trying to enlarge their e-penis. but it seems like u are from the same school of thought.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
October 28 2010 09:26 GMT
#80
On October 28 2010 18:05 kojinshugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 17:54 SovSov wrote:
I always find it funny when people APM spam only for it to drop down below that in game.

Since when was "warm up" harder than the actual practice? Lol. It just makes it look like you're trying way too hard to show off.


More downtime = more time to spam. There's literally nothing do in the first minute or two. If you only did the required actions, you would probably have 5 APM in the first two minutes.

Nah that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about when people go from 300 "warm up" APM in the first 5 minutes then drop to like 60 during the game.
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