EPTOn October 06 2010 16:21 Fizbin wrote:
zerg has spine and spore crawls
zerg has spine and spore crawls
Don't even mention spore crawlers, they're bloody useless.
[D] The Planetary Fortress - Page 7
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Canada1047 Posts
Don't even mention spore crawlers, they're bloody useless. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
The only way for a Planetary Fortress to be cost-effective is when the opponent suicides enough units into it. So don't do that, realise that attacking a PF is exactly what it's supposed to counter. Expand some more, attack it with mutalisks/ void rays, attack the Orbital Command instead. | ||
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D-Lite
United Kingdom223 Posts
On October 06 2010 06:49 hoovehand wrote: kill the scv's then it wont be a waste of your units? if there are no scv's at his expansion, problem solved. i agree that the a-move priority is messed up, but it's not so hard to micro your units to kill the scv's... ....yeah, its not hard to a+shift 30 workers, oh wait by the time you do that your army is dead | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On October 06 2010 23:59 D-Lite wrote: ....yeah, its not hard to a+shift 30 workers, oh wait by the time you do that your army is dead Right click the PF, wait for the surround, press Hold. Repeat. Or read my post above and do not attack it at all. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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hoovehand
United Kingdom542 Posts
On October 06 2010 09:01 Pekkz wrote: Mobility doesnt matter when 4 stimmed marauders takes down a hatch in 10 sec. not if you have a spinecrawler, and a queen ready to transfuse... plenty of time to get some units back. or you could have 2-3 mutas left over from midgame to snipe the medivac. mass medivac dropping marauders to snipe hatcheries is a desperate move from an almost dead terran player. nydus lings into his base for instant win. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On October 06 2010 16:57 hdkhang wrote: The problem with bunkers using population is not as severe as people make it out to be. Afterall, Zerg macromechanic via Queen --> uses 2 supply per queen. As for PF... it wouldn't be so frustrating for most players if Terran also did not have a quick and easy way to snipe Z/P hatch/nexus. Well the problem with your problem is that the queen doesn't really hinder your army production, and isn't a part of it. It's the opposite, your queen gives you better macro potential to make more units. As Terran (and really any race) the whole point is to streamline everything into give you a ton of units at one point. With bunkers, you make these units, and essentially remove some of them, making your army smaller than it should be. with queens you get more larva, and you build it straight out of a hatchery instead of larva, so it doesn't hinder your army at all. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10824 Posts
Next thing you say is probably that Turrets suck... | ||
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ledarsi
United States475 Posts
What I would like to see is repair being fixed so only a limited number of scv's can repair any given unit. Maybe 5-10 for a unit as large as a planetary fortress. This would also fix shenanigans about repairing thors, bunkers, and what have you. And I would (shockingly) like to see the PF buffed so it is a competitive option with the orbital command. Increasing its hp or armor seems to be the best way to do it, as adding a new ability or something could really throw the game for a loop. The gun is not the reason you get the PF and probably should remain as it is. | ||
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kthnx
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MadZ
Denmark111 Posts
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Karkadinn
United States132 Posts
On October 06 2010 23:54 Saechiis wrote: Why do people insist on looking at everything in a vacuum? If you're looking at the structures and units of differing races, ofcourse you're going to find differences ... hence the "differing races". If you're going to look at a mechanic you have to take the entire race into account. A planetary Fortress isn't just a better protected CC, it's a dead weight that is completely useless when not attacked by something it can shoot at. It's a hit to the Terrans economy since it produces no mules (which in contrary to popular belief is a mechanic to keep up with the other races' economy since they can boost their workers) It can't be used to scan or do supply drops and when the natural is mined out it can't fly off either. The only way for a Planetary Fortress to be cost-effective is when the opponent suicides enough units into it. So don't do that, realise that attacking a PF is exactly what it's supposed to counter. Expand some more, attack it with mutalisks/ void rays, attack the Orbital Command instead. Read the thread more thoroughly next time. As previously stated, a PF makes up for not having mules by allowing you to take a gold expansion you would otherwise have difficulty defending. All static defenses are dead weight in the sense that you define it. How does that justify Terran having better static defenses than everyone else? The rest of your post boils down to telling people to l2play. Funny how quick Terran players are to tell others they're not playing Protoss or Zerg the 'right' way if they're having any problems with Terran whatsoever. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
sure it prevents your expo from getting raped by lings and zealots but still die pretty hard to anti-armored units and banelings/roach/collossus etc | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 06 2010 07:18 Alou wrote: after getting my nexus nearly sniped earlier on Xel naga when our two armies went around each other, I have to agree. PF's are far to hard to take out compared to hatcheries and nexi. Would love if it was something that couldn't be repaired or something. If anyone watched WCG Jaedong vs Flash they would know why PFs shouldn't be in the game. The issue with PFs is that they require high tier units do take them out. These units aren't designed for harassment. So basically PFs make your mobile harassment units meaningless which negates Ts weakness. This is terrible design. Each race has strengths and weaknesses, this is how they balance. PF forces the opposition to use pieces of their army to take them out because the mobile harassment units don't work anymore against it. Thus it's a massive gamble for the opposition while it isn't that big a gamble for the Terran user. Choices and weaknesses. | ||
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RiotSpectre
United States163 Posts
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Drathmar
United States160 Posts
On October 06 2010 06:58 eloist wrote: Terran macro is easier than Protoss macro? When 3 mules and 0 scv's match the income of 31 probes yes. | ||
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kthnx
20 Posts
also, as said before, queens + chronoboosting lots of probes take food. MULEs don't. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On October 07 2010 00:13 Velr wrote: I gladly trade Spinecrawlers and fighting Queens for Bunkers/PF... Next thing you say is probably that Turrets suck... So what's keeping you from switching to Terran? You'd do us all a big favor. | ||
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Karkadinn
United States132 Posts
On October 07 2010 01:04 Saechiis wrote: So what's keeping you from switching to Terran? You'd do us all a big favor. Checked ladder populations lately? That's what plenty of people are doing. | ||
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