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Greg 'IdrA' Fields gives his thoughts on Blizzard's most recent patch for StarCraft 2. Below is an excerpt taken from the article:
The first balance patch for StarCraft2 came out roughly a month after release and consisted solely of changes that were announced weeks ago and that were actually already prepared at the start of phase 2 of the beta. Unfortunately, this is evident in the effect the changes will have on the game. Blizzard patched the state the game was in several weeks ago, and didn't address many developments in game play that have since made the patch almost irrelevant. ZvT and ZvP will remain largely unchanged while the balance issues in TvP will only be made worse, terran will now be even stronger early and protoss even stronger late in the game.
You can read the rest of his thoughts at http://www.myeg.net/article/article_detail.php?article_id=877
Do you agree or disagree with what he has to say?
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Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff...
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Absolutely agree from a Zerg player's perspective.
The reaper nerf is nice but that's not what's troublesome. If you know it's coming, it's not too hard to deal with. The problem is not being able to scout.
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I remember Idra saying that ZvP lategame dramatically favored Zerg, but that seems to have changed. The game's deceptively simple at first, so I think we should just avoid knee jerk claims about balance and let it play itself out first.
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I'm a terran player and I agree. Zerg life is hard.
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On September 24 2010 10:28 MegaBUD wrote:
Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff...
You got some guts questioning idra when hes not even raging at it.
I agree with idra from a zerg players perspective nothing has really changed
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On September 24 2010 10:28 MegaBUD wrote:
Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff...
Except everything he says is well thought out and has some good reasoning behind them. If you're gonna dismiss him so easily, at least put some meat into it.
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That first response was a perfect example of how being a useless poster can ruin a thread in one post. Please don't do that, and others, please don't feed him. Comment on the article itself.
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Really? There's no way to tell anything this early on in the patch. Wait a month before saying that it's the such a disappointing patch.
Just my opinion.
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EDIT: sorry i didn't mean to feed
I think i really will affect PvT. Zealots coupled with stalkers are toss' best defense against marauders. I know any form of fast tech or expansion will be more difficult to pull off now.
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I feel that when zerg finally get their time in the spotlight, at least after release, I will be a better player for putting up with this tomfoolery. Hope idra does well at MLG so he can tell terran to get self respect.
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On September 24 2010 10:28 MegaBUD wrote:
Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff...
Are you fucking stupid? Zerg is the most under powerd race in the game. Id be surprised if you play zerg and your saying this. You are some probley lonley Platnium level protoss who has no skill what so ever and only knows how to 4gate for a chance to win. When your not doing that your makeing meaning less posts on here.
Aside from my anger being tooken out on him, I agree with Idra that this was not enough. I personally think the zerg macro mechanics need some sort of buff. Im not saying GIVE ZERG A WHOLE NEW MACRO MECHANIC. But The fact that a protoss can get a forge early wallmin with 2 pylons and a cannon get a stargate before i can get hydras and win cause Zerg has horrible Tier AA is stupid. No im not saying zerg is underpowered and give us the lurker or anything retarded like that. Im just saying I agree and this was not enough.
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He's absolutely right, Blizzard is taking way too long for so few balance changes.
They're probably afraid to screw up balance, but shouldn't they have a decent grasp on the situation? Hrmm..
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On September 24 2010 10:28 MegaBUD wrote:
Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff...
Maybe he's QQing, maybe he's not. Doesn't change the fact that he's 100% spot on with almost everything he says about balance. He may be pretty arrogant (even though I'm pretty sure that most of the stuff he says when he flames people isn't meant super seriously) but he is also pretty intelligent. When he says something it's usually easy to reproduce his thought process and thus it's usually easy to see why he is mostly correct. He does well in putting all the QQing of all Zergs into words where most other Pros only success in giving examples without pointing out the problems in general (or not succeeding in saying anything coherent regarding balance at all), even though the way he expresses his thoughts is sometimes not optimal in terms of "etiquete" (which is overrated  )
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Fairly reasonable response. I like that Idra in SC2 is taking his role as a "community spokesman" of sorts more seriously than in BW. Less cussing/raging, more talking. This is the kind of response that Blizzard will actually listen to.
I think he's largely right in what he says, though I think he, as a Zerg player, tends to see things as more skewed against his race than they actually are. But his overall conclusions are sound.
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On September 24 2010 10:37 TheWarbler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 10:28 MegaBUD wrote:
Come on guys... Idra isnt god... he gonna qq like every other zerg player because they didnt receive buff... Are you fucking stupid? Zerg is the most under powerd race in the game. Id be surprised if you play zerg and your saying this. You are some probley lonley Platnium level protoss who has no skill what so ever and only knows how to 4gate for a chance to win. When your not doing that your makeing meaning less posts on here. Aside from my anger being tooken out on him, I agree with Idra that this was not enough. I personally think the zerg macro mechanics need some sort of buff. Im not saying GIVE ZERG A WHOLE NEW MACRO MECHANIC. But The fact that a protoss can get a forge early wallmin with 2 pylons and a cannon get a stargate before i can get hydras and win cause Zerg has horrible Tier AA is stupid. No im not saying zerg is underpowered and give us the lurker or anything retarded like that. Im just saying I agree and this was not enough.
If you don't know what your opponent is doing it might be prudent to get 2-3 queens total. There are other problems that were addressed in the article, not just simply forge FE into void ray.
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I feel like that was a really well written article. Idra is definitely being reasonable and is really suggesting that just having the ability to SCOUT a terran player would make a world of difference. Anyone see the "leaked" patch notes on MyM? The overlord speed/mule cooldown definitely made me think.
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Most of what he says is pretty sensible. I know they wanted to patch the game slightly and that makes sense to me entirely. This can be a volatile game in terms of balance with even the slightest tweaks. But this patch was a little too light for 2 months post release. Especially if these changes were already prepared at the end of phase 2 beta.
Overall, I agree with what he has to say about ZvT, ZvP and even TvP. I assume Blizzard will hear about this so hopefully the next patch comes a little sooner than the last one.
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IdrA does not beat around the bush, and his contribution here is tempered. I am particularly happy that he has taken note of the incapacity of hydralisks vs. the race of far superior range.
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I don't get why Blizzard doesn't realize the problem here is with Zerg. Patching Terran and Protoss doesn't do anything useful. Now tanks can't even be used TvP.
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