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Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
September 20 2010 20:02 GMT
#101
This idea will cause a lot of us to feel left out of discussions.
Then again, we can watch IdrA and LaLuSh make MorroW look stupid again.
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
September 20 2010 20:03 GMT
#102
I'm a 100 point bronze player. I literally have no idea what I'm talking about.

Thus, I voted Leave it as is.
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
TechDeft
Profile Joined August 2010
United States211 Posts
September 20 2010 20:03 GMT
#103
They should be voted in by the community. Moderators and longterm VIPs should pick the initial pool of posters. Moderators and longerm VIPs should NOT get automatic access based on their position, only on merit.
Easy772
Profile Joined May 2010
374 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 20:04:27
September 20 2010 20:03 GMT
#104
How about we require a link to a players profile or require members to post their accurate ELO? This way bronzies and other noobs could still post, but you would know how much to value an opinion from such a low ranking player.
"The best way to improve is to play one matchup on one map doing one strategy.. if you are good at one strategy you are a good player, if you are okay at many strategies you are an okay player at best" -Day[9] 181
monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
September 20 2010 20:04 GMT
#105
When Cataclysm is out in october, we should find peace again.
@ggmonx
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
September 20 2010 20:05 GMT
#106
This would be great if it was possible to implement. I believe people have had thoughts about doing something like this many times before. But the problem is no one wants to do all the work for free when it's not a sure thing that it will work.

One big problem with the forums as they are right now is also that not only does low level players argue against higher level ones but they also sometimes ignore high level posts and spam threads so that good advice gets lost. I wouldn't be surprised if TL allready had something along these lines in mind though. TL staffers have alot of great ideas but it's not allways easy to get something physically done.
Easy772
Profile Joined May 2010
374 Posts
September 20 2010 20:05 GMT
#107
On September 21 2010 05:04 monx wrote:
When Cataclysm is out in october, we should find peace again.


lol, sad but true.
"The best way to improve is to play one matchup on one map doing one strategy.. if you are good at one strategy you are a good player, if you are okay at many strategies you are an okay player at best" -Day[9] 181
Koukalaka
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom80 Posts
September 20 2010 20:05 GMT
#108
On September 21 2010 05:03 Easy772 wrote:
How about we require a link to a players profile or require members to post their accurate ELO? This way bronzies and other noobs could still post, but you would know how much to value an opinion from such a low ranking player.


Player's profile? As I said previously, I have access to about 4-7~ accounts which are all 1400-1600 P/T/Z players and I, myself, play 1500 Protoss and all I do is 4 gate every game.

Rating =/= Skill
Rating =/= Intellect
Rating =/= Knowledge

Elitism is a plague of many games, don't let it affect SC2 as well.
trancey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany729 Posts
September 20 2010 20:06 GMT
#109
lol so many elitists.
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
September 20 2010 20:06 GMT
#110
On September 21 2010 05:02 Fantistic wrote:
This idea will cause a lot of us to feel left out of discussions.
Then again, we can watch IdrA and LaLuSh make MorroW look stupid again.

Thread?

Also Progamers seem to argue alot amongst eachother on whats viable or not. Its not like they will be some perfect intellectual conversation on starcraft if this happens
TechDeft
Profile Joined August 2010
United States211 Posts
September 20 2010 20:06 GMT
#111
On September 21 2010 05:03 bonifaceviii wrote:
I'm a 100 point bronze player. I literally have no idea what I'm talking about.

Thus, I voted Leave it as is.

So you DON'T want a forum that you can go and read and be confident that 90%+ of the information is accurate and vetted? You'd rather have a bunch of people who (like you said about yourself) have no idea what they are talking about discuss this stuff?

No one is talking about taking away the regular forum, just adding a sub-forum that would be exclusive to people who know what the fuck they are talking about.

Sportscenter doesn't invite guys who play flag football at church on Sunday to discuss football, why would TL invite bronze level players who admit to ignorance to help participate in high level discussions?
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
September 20 2010 20:07 GMT
#112
On September 21 2010 04:01 Mantikor wrote:
edit:

case and point
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 04:05 vrok wrote:
1200 points? No way. At least over 9000.


The irony of this would be that I'm actually higher ranked than you even though I have like 400 unused bonus points as I'm waiting for the patch to ladder. :D
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
samalie
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada87 Posts
September 20 2010 20:07 GMT
#113
I support a subfourm where pro-gamers can discuss/debate in peace from us gold-level scrubs. THe key word in that sentence being "pro-gamer" - not 1500 point diamond, not 9000 point diamond, but actual "I play SC2 as my current career" - because these guys can give a discussion that my play will never ever in a billion years reach, but would be exceptionally interesting to read without someone like me spewing shit I don't understand in a thread...

That being said, fuck you OP - just because I don't have 1000 games played doesn't mean that I can't contribute to a discussion. Of course, I'm also one of those people that know when to stay the fuck out of a discussion, or at least preface my response with "I'm a shitty gold player, but here are my thoughts..." THEY (pro-gamers) deserve a forum for sure...but really, your 1200 points diamond don't really mean sweet fuck all either...the way the ladder is setup, you could just be some useless scrub that cheesed his way to the top. Yawn.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 20 2010 20:07 GMT
#114
On September 21 2010 05:00 Vz0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 04:03 MrBitter wrote:
1200+ is far from pro-gamer. I'm 1300+ and never got past C/C- on ICCUP. I would love to see a sub-forum devoid of total scrubs, though.

does it matter how far you go on C/C-

You can be a modern warfare 2 king of the world but what we are talking about here is Starcaft 2. If you can reach 1300 on starcraft 2 (relative to lets just use select as a refrence point of 1900) then yes you are a "pro" in the casual definition.
You are by no means tournament level pro or global level but a pro none the less.


No you're not. No one calls somone of that skill caliber a pro, that's utterly ridiculous. And people rarely, if ever, use what you're insinuating is the "casual definition" of pro, which is "a really good player." Pro is almost exclusively used if you are either trying to make a career out of it or are somehow making money at it, not "pretty good but definitely not tournament level."
TechDeft
Profile Joined August 2010
United States211 Posts
September 20 2010 20:08 GMT
#115
On September 21 2010 05:06 Tabbris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 05:02 Fantistic wrote:
This idea will cause a lot of us to feel left out of discussions.
Then again, we can watch IdrA and LaLuSh make MorroW look stupid again.

Thread?

Also Progamers seem to argue alot amongst eachother on whats viable or not. Its not like they will be some perfect intellectual conversation on starcraft if this happens

But just WATCHING this kind of conversation can be so educational. We don't know everything, neither do they, but by discussing it, they can come to much more meaningful conclusions than someone with 25 games under their belt who's trying to argue that an Ultra rush is a viable early game Zerg strat.
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 20:13:45
September 20 2010 20:09 GMT
#116
Someone with free time on their hands could code an 'star commenter' feature a la Kotaku (and then you would have a subforum where only 'star commenters' could post. This would make more sense than an arbitrary '1200 Diamond +' requirement (what if you go on a losing streak, or want to hide your main account like Day[9]?).

This wouldn't necessarily be a good idea, but it would be a better one.
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 20:13:08
September 20 2010 20:11 GMT
#117
I like the idea of a sub-forum where only certain "gamers" can post. A problem I see is that 1200 will eventually become mid-diamond with the way the system works, if it isn't already?

A pro gamer sub-forum where only the public can read would be awesome, but in reality pros don't post that much because they have more important things to do like practice and win tournaments.

"Most" pros don't complain about balance or at least make it very vocal. They see what tools they have (current SC2 balance and mechanics) and abuse/use them to their fullest potential.

So ultimately a sub-forum full of only high quality posts/responses would be sweet, but unrealistic.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Easy772
Profile Joined May 2010
374 Posts
September 20 2010 20:12 GMT
#118
On September 21 2010 05:05 Koukalaka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2010 05:03 Easy772 wrote:
How about we require a link to a players profile or require members to post their accurate ELO? This way bronzies and other noobs could still post, but you would know how much to value an opinion from such a low ranking player.


Player's profile? As I said previously, I have access to about 4-7~ accounts which are all 1400-1600 P/T/Z players and I, myself, play 1500 Protoss and all I do is 4 gate every game.

Rating =/= Skill
Rating =/= Intellect
Rating =/= Knowledge

Elitism is a plague of many games, don't let it affect SC2 as well.


So how would we accurately obtain a players ELO then?

I want "lowbies" to be able to post, I would also like to know the rank of the people giving out advice as if they know everything about the game.

This is coming from a ~1000 Protoss (Im not trying to be an elitist as I know I am not great)
"The best way to improve is to play one matchup on one map doing one strategy.. if you are good at one strategy you are a good player, if you are okay at many strategies you are an okay player at best" -Day[9] 181
Buffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden665 Posts
September 20 2010 20:13 GMT
#119
I always liked this idea, BUT as some have posted and stated AJ:s way of doing and showing that it's really hard. Most players are just being "cool" or flaming eachother about certain strats/comps/teams/players. And seeing how the trend so far is with the manner of the community it would simply turn into a big great flamefest or just not contribute as much as you like to hope.

If you want high level players/posters/proplayers to post I think the community rather should step back and not do as they've done before to players. Mostly when you see a progamer or a big namer, or someone who knows what they are talking about, the masses kinda overwhelm or a group just either troll them, making fun of what they are saying.

Just look at seth's thread he made, it was a really good, it was kinda detailed and probably one of the greater posts ( in my opinion) about how to handle TvZ at that time. (other great ones magic box and such). But still there were people calling him bronze level player or players just ignore and started trolling.

If I were a progamer, I would refrain from posting as well seeing how the community treats the better players sometimes.
Yes I am
Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 20:17:19
September 20 2010 20:13 GMT
#120
(on page 7)
I'm like badass squared | KeitZer.489
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