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Squirrel
United States1097 Posts
All it is, is lots of high level people arguing about how they are right and everyone else is wrong because of how good they are. That said, it's not my choice. If this is done though, why 1200? in a month 1200 will be the new 500. You would have to constantly change the rating req. | ||
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ktp
United States797 Posts
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On September 21 2010 04:26 VonLego wrote: An issue with the "idra/lzgamer/huk" level only forum -- Very small group of folks who have the least to gain and most to lose by discussing strategy online. I could be totally off here but that is what I'd think. I agree with this. I really don't know how active a forum like this would ultimately be. Why would a group of people, who will eventually meet in a tournament somewhere, want to discuss and argue strategy. They have a close knit group of practice partners they do this with. And instead of just theorycrafting or discussing strategy generally they just perform the strategy and observe the results. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On September 21 2010 04:33 Homeland wrote: This is stupid, this is only a phase and is more or less the moderators problem. TL has always been full of a lot of bad information, but we all know where the good information is and it is normally that which stays and get many hits. The good guildes, that Progamers write are still being looked at. however everybody els should still be able to write in how to improve and have their theories. And just have a good time. This forum is social also. What about giving probs, or suggesting builds. What if some gold level player found some build which was not perfect but could become the next saviour build or bisu build for that matter, if it just got seen by somebody better. If only very good players could post this would be hard to get to these posts. Also the current ranking systerm on ladder has no real effect or does not translate skill. when time passes by people who are not Starcraft interested will go play halo or what ever and in a years time the forum will be cleaner again. It is just a temporary state in the long history of Teamliquid. Progamers have actually specifically said they dont post on TL strategy forum because they hate getting in arguments with some platinum scrub who has no idea what he is talking about. This is a great idea and I would love to see it implemented. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
On September 21 2010 04:12 Dekoth wrote: The problem with this system is twofold; 1) There are plenty of high point players who still haven't a clue about actual game balance, 2) There are some players who don't play much and aren't ranked and still have more gameplay balance knowledge then most high rank ever will. How about a Forum where the quality of yours posting earns you the right to post, instead of some arbitrary number? It would make a great deal more sense to base it off what someone has proven they can bring to the table of discourse instead of some number that may or may not of been earned. 1.) Understanding game balance is less important than understanding how to win games in a discussion of strategy, since we're players, not designers. Our goal is to win games, not balance them. That said, I think, as you might too, that there are plenty of high point ladder players who have limited, narrow knowledge even in the department of winning. However, I still think their understanding is demonstrably more relevant than that of those who have yet to prove themselves. 2.) Knowledge is gained either through experience or observation. No matter how much knowledge a non-playing player may have accumulated, it is still constrained by its second-hand nature. He may be a genius at synthesizing the information of others, but this constraint will innately bar him from the latest, practical trends at the highest levels. Examining the current and the best is especially important in SC2 right now in its state as a nascent game. There is also the scholarly concern that primary sources tend to sport greater veracity than secondary ones. -- Assessing a quality as nebulous as "posting quality" will always be more arbitrary than assessing ladder performance, which has well established metrics and runs on a system designed with explicit goals. The fact that ladder ratings, no matter their inadequacies, are governed by reason and principle, by definition makes them not arbitrary. | ||
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Esper[mb]
United States88 Posts
 but yea i hate reading nice strat threads and see someone just scream TERRAN OP! or COLLOSSI ARE IMBA!! then 50 other people scream at the first guy and the thread gets derailed | ||
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Rayeth
United States883 Posts
Additionally, most of these people don't want to talk about their strategies with their peers. All that will do is give away the BO they've been working on for weeks. This is the same reason why players like this rarely post in the Strategy forums. | ||
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Amestir
Netherlands2126 Posts
If you ask me, and you did, there is no need to stimulate this elitist atmosphere. | ||
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
I think i could easy reach that if i did play last 4-6 weeks and i m not good. | ||
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WickedBit
United States343 Posts
On September 21 2010 04:39 Amestir wrote: I'm sorry but TL already has a very elitist vibe to it as it is now. This has both good and bad sides. The good being that most posts on this site are above the crap you see on most game forums. The bad being the sometimes, in my eyes, ridicolous post count related rules. If you ask me, and you did, there is no need to stimulate this elitist atmosphere. I totally agree. Splitting into a separate subforum would be a bad idea. But having a system to rate posts would be great and would probably take care of this problem. | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
I though Diamond was only like 4-5% of the total playerbase, and now you want to limit that further to the top .5-1% to be allowed to discuss strategy? o_0 | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
i understand that people are tired of defending their opinions to players with lower skill or ladder rank than them but thats part of "life" | ||
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nimbim
Germany985 Posts
Whenever the reader (not creator) looks in a thread, he/she will reason with themselves whether a post actually made any sense. Helpful indicators: - biased polls - "that is so" kind of logic - unnecessary paraphrasing and repetitions in general | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
i have been through so many teams tryout (obs or join) and i noticed that there is no different between 600 players and 1400 players... in fact, lots of time people with 400 point scored on the top 4 of the tourney over people who are 1200s... DONT APPLY THAT BS ELO IN HERE!!!...just dont... | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On September 21 2010 04:24 Mantikor wrote: Hey thanks for helping me prove my point. Well honestly you would be D/D-. Lol. Iccup is so much harder. Im 800 diamond and rising and i barely got to c- on iccup. And im sure that i am absolutly worst than when i played back then. So i guess im playing at a D/D+ lvl? and laddering is still easy as hell Also i do not support this. Being a low ranking player doesent mean you dont know much about the game. Hell Ladder is more of a grind. If a player can be 400 diamond and still be alot better then a 1300 diamond cause he doesn't grind ladder | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On September 21 2010 04:45 Wr3k wrote: 1200 points is hardly progamer status, but it might be a start. Besides, it would be impossible to enforce. How would you determine which users have 1200+ points? There is also the issue of points being inflated over time too. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
Then one could just ignore undesired forums instead of getting a 19/20 ration of one liners and whine to every legitimate one. ---------------------- *that is fast enough so they don't even get to finish the damn word. | ||
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SCdinner
Canada516 Posts
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