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The quality of posts and discussions on TL has degraded and has been muddied by trolls and bronzies. There's even quotes from QXC and other pro-gamers where they say they don't even post here anymore because "Its hard to defend a point when you have 10 bronze level players arguing with you" Every Thread turns into either a flame war or a balance thread. Even constructive threads get derailed after the first couple pages.
What I want to know, Is how many of you would like a new sub-forum or a way to have some threads locked to high level players only. Much like the wow forum Arena Junkies, you link your TL identity to your bnet acct. It would remove some of the anonymity, as well as allow for some REALLY good theorizing.
Honestly, I don't even think I would be able to post in these threads, but i sure as hell would read the crap out them!
I'm not making this as an "open letter" or call to action for the mods here, I just want to get an idea of how many other people here feel the same as I do.
The point limits are defiantly not set in stone, they are more or less just placeholders.
Poll: Would you support a "high-end discussion only" posting method?A 1200pt+ pro-gamer only Subforum (no public write) (1762) 60% Leave it the way it is. (508) 17% A 1200pt+ pro-gamer only Subforum (no public read/write) (461) 16% No changes, but link TL to bnet profile so you know the quality of replies (135) 5% A "must be xxxpoint or higher in order to reply" thread creation option (53) 2% 2919 total votes Your vote: Would you support a "high-end discussion only" posting method? (Vote): A 1200pt+ pro-gamer only Subforum (no public read/write)
(Vote): A 1200pt+ pro-gamer only Subforum (no public write)
(Vote): A "must be xxxpoint or higher in order to reply" thread creation option
(Vote): No changes, but link TL to bnet profile so you know the quality of replies
(Vote): Leave it the way it is.
The point limits are defiantly not set in stone, they are more or less just placeholders.
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case and point
On September 21 2010 04:05 vrok wrote:
1200 points? No way. At least over 9000.
and yes, I removed the disclaimer at the top since it was such an issue for some people and could not stay on point.
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1200+ is far from pro-gamer. I'm 1300+ and never got past C/C- on ICCUP. I would love to see a sub-forum devoid of total scrubs, though.
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Yea, the points would defiantly be up for discussion, i just there 1200 in there as a placeholder
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1200 points? No way. At least over 9000.
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I agree, while I'm not quite 1200 yet (only about 1000) I think it would be nice to have a place for those who know the game, and are honestly trying to improve and be creative with strategies. So much crap in the Strategy forums right now, its unfortunate.
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ITS OVER 9000!
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It's not that you're looking for 1200+ to be equaling 'progamer' it's just that when you get to 1000 point plus you at least weed out a lot of useless info. with a 1000 or 1200 range you are geting at least a generally decent knowledge base and most of what will be posted will be of quality and thought out.
If you have ever been to the Arena Junkies forums it uses this sort of idea and overall I really feel it works out very well.
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I actually wouldn't mind a sub-forum where only the top players have rights to post, but the rest of us can read. I think that'd be pretty educational.
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Who would take the time out of their day to verify all this crap, or write the code that does it automatically, or prove that the account they are claiming is theirs is actually theirs?
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edit: Seems to me that all we need is a "featured threads" subforum of some kind. Quality guide threads can be featured there, endorsed by TL staff.
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Wouldn't mind it all, not 100% convinced it's needed either though. I'd be interested to see what it turned out like, though.
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I voted for option 2, but would prefer the option re-written as "A pro-gamer only subforum, no public write".
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On September 21 2010 04:07 Slow Motion wrote:
I actually wouldn't mind a sub-forum where only the top players have rights to post, but the rest of us can read. I think that'd be pretty educational.
I agree
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I think you'll be surprised by how many immature "pro" players there are.
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There is no valid way to measure one's skill. 1200 points (or any arbitrary value for that matter) doesn't mean anything. Heck, I'm over 1200 points and I know for sure I'm nowhere near as good as the top guys are. In fact I participated my first tourney this weekend and after getting my ass handed I realized that you get a very poor experience from laddering.
Anyways, back on topic, I like the idea as I could learn a lot from it, but I don't think there's a viable way to measure one's skill, nor would pros care making their discussion publics. I certainly can't picture IdrA posting a [G] on some build or strategy he has been tinkering.
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i always giggle when a thread starts with "hai gais im 800-9000 point diamond player, therefore my opinion matters"
you come of as a huge elitist in my eyes, in the end its the staff of TL that decides stuff like that, and tbh i don't think they want it to be a regime like that
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Sounds nice on paper. (Yeah no idiots right?)
Total organisational nightmare with lotsa drama and other bullshit. TL wont implement it.
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apart from the fact this thread is going nowhere fast already...how do you define a high level player?
the 'pros' don't have to post and discuss here because they know each other on a real life level most of the time anyways.
and ranking is totally unrelated to 'high level', people get to diamond just by cheesing you know?
sure there's a lot of stupid posting lately, but locking people out is the worst reaction imaginable for a public forum.
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Who would vote no to this? People who want to write to top players for some reason? Its a feature with a higher level of accuracy. Imagine what the strategy forums could be. All of us lower players could learn a lot at the cost of what? Obviously it is elitism but that doesn't make it wrong. Player with a better reputation (pts) has ideas which are more valid than a say a bronze player and there is no escaping that. You will still have the old threads and high level players will still post there just as much but we can have something we rarely have; an intelligent discussion where everyone is an informed contributor.
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Since everyone keeps getting bonus pool, the limitations of some kind of pro subforum would have to scale accordingly. And as elitist as this idea sounds, I think it'd be really helpful. At least until SC2 is a bit older and whining > problem-solving dies down.
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