EPTthere's another site that does this which is Arenajunkies for WoW, only 2.3k+ can post in their discussion forum
and this method works rly works well for AJ.
[VOTE] SC2 Player quality limits in order to post - Page 5
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Talho
Belgium592 Posts
there's another site that does this which is Arenajunkies for WoW, only 2.3k+ can post in their discussion forum and this method works rly works well for AJ. | ||
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Zhou
United States832 Posts
As for the quality of posts in the forums, yeah... it's not so great, but I creating a sub-forum wouldn't really fix the problem. Just because someone has more than 1200+ points as a diamond player doesn't mean they don't have... silly things to say? I also want to ask; How do you verify if a person posting on TL has a 1200+ claim? It's probably been asked before already though... | ||
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CoL_Fuehrer
Russian Federation124 Posts
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Squirrel
United States1102 Posts
On September 21 2010 04:51 Talho wrote: I'm just a low diamond, but I think this is a great idea, would atleast get rid of the scrub posts in a good discussion. there's another site that does this which is Arenajunkies for WoW, only 2.3k+ can post in their discussion forum The difference is Arenajunkies is full of people who trash on others because they think their gods, and in SC, like I said a minute ago, the ratings inflate. In 2-3 weeks the 'pro' level will be 2300, 2-3 weeks after that 2500, ect. How are you going to put the req? Change it every few weeks? That would just be a pain in the ass for everyone =\ | ||
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Reason.SC2
Canada1047 Posts
TL is already bordering unreasonably elitist so making it any less noob-friendly would be a bad move in terms of maximizing membership, broadening community, and just getting hits. It must be quite a challenge to balance between scaring away any and all new members and keeping the site from turning into a bronze league troll/flamefest. This said making a forum called rainbow league discussion or something where only the top 5-10% of diamond players can post but everyone can read is a great idea. Implementation could be quite difficult however. Possibly could be done by setting up a way for players to submit a link to their bnet profiles and have a script figure out their ratings and toggle ability to post on this forum based on the current cut-off point whether its a constantly updated rating or a way to sort out their percentile. This would meet the needs of high levels players to discuss strats without having to prove to some noob that going double evo chambers at 14 into 1 base muta is probably not a good build lol. At the same time the noobs have access to the discussions and can still greatly benefit from high level discussion without being alienated by the TL community. | ||
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snpnx
Germany454 Posts
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Crushgroove
United States793 Posts
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Quetz
United Kingdom28 Posts
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
As it stands now, bonus pool creates a steady increase in rating across the board. 1000 diamond today is not the same as 1000 diamond 3 weeks ago, and it's also not the same as 1000 diamond in another 3 weeks. So there is no way to define a hard cutoff rating currently. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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ltortoise
633 Posts
On September 21 2010 04:53 Seam wrote: How are you going to put the req? Change it every few weeks? That would just be a pain in the ass for everyone =\ It's not just the requirement, it would be actually proving that you meet it. How the hell would you verify somebody is who they say they are? Even if you knew how to do THAT particular aspect, how would you do it so that it didn't take TL staff tons of man-hours? I mean I already asked this, but I'm still extremely curious how anybody would solve the actual logistics of this. Seems absurd. | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
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TechDeft
United States211 Posts
It would be nice if there was a way "unqualified" people could post, but only those who are "qualified" can see them, because sometimes the rest of us do have insightful questions or comments that pros could expand on. | ||
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CagedMind
United States506 Posts
Alternatively you could get people special markings next to their names to show skill lvl then you could know where your taking info from and forbid noobs for arguing with good players. | ||
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Koukalaka
United Kingdom80 Posts
I know the information, and account information, of multiple players who play at 1400-1600~ and I can play any of these accounts [as long as they give me an authenticator code]. I can say I am the owner of account X at A rating, account Y at B rating and account Z at C rating. TL can't disprove this and thus must accept it. It doesn't work. If you want to use the "example" of Arenajunkies' forum posting, I use other people's accounts to post on that forum too. Ratings don't stop idiots posting, because people who want ratings and make topics such as this are generally idiots. | ||
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Vz0
Canada378 Posts
On September 21 2010 04:03 MrBitter wrote: 1200+ is far from pro-gamer. I'm 1300+ and never got past C/C- on ICCUP. I would love to see a sub-forum devoid of total scrubs, though. does it matter how far you go on C/C- You can be a modern warfare 2 king of the world but what we are talking about here is Starcaft 2. If you can reach 1300 on starcraft 2 (relative to lets just use select as a refrence point of 1900) then yes you are a "pro" in the casual definition. You are by no means tournament level pro or global level but a pro none the less. | ||
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ShadowWolf
United States197 Posts
Take, for example: http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=205545 http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=205572 http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=205446 Nor does having an "elitist" section actually eliminate bad threads as such: http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=202376 http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=204173 Here's an example where there's a thread having some great replies and some absolutely garbage replies - Just like TL.net's Starcraft 2 strategy section! http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=203138 Now, granted, every time a pro player posts you get at least some noise of people agreeing or disagreeing just based on it being who it is, but I think Sheth's thread here showed that just 'cuz you haven't won a major tournament doesn't mean you are incapable of contributing: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133023 A lot of people in that thread pointed out some nuances that either Sheth maybe didn't realize he did or things he could add to the build to make it better. I don't play Zerg, really, so I have absolutely no clue how good the build is - but Sheth's a good player and the post today is better than it was when he first posted it. Maybe all those players are equivalent of 1200 diamond players today, but based on the questions I seriously doubt it. Plus 1200 isn't exactly the pinnacle of game knowledge. I've beaten players that are in the 1200 point range today that didn't use control groups, didn't rally new units to the fight, and had no capacity to transition even if their all-in kinda worked but didn't totally beat me down. The problem is that writing strategies requires a lot more than just being skilled at the game; I think there are probably people in the 1700 and higher ratings that would be the worst person ever to give you advice. It's really challenging to communicate game sense, timings, and thought processes. It takes a very particular set of skills that most of the high level community ( quite frankly ) doesn't appear to posses. You can most assuredly be the greatest player in the world but have no real capacity to teach anyone to get even out of Gold - sometimes people just can't empathize with someone who doesn't have the skillset and knowledge they have. To be honest, it's perfect fine, but it doesn't help build a solid community. | ||
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Khanz
France214 Posts
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ScarletKnight
United States691 Posts
The logistics of it may be difficult but if it can work then it would be helpful to the whole community. Being a Silver league player myself I know I could definitely benefit from high-level strategy discussion that doesn't get messed up by people from lower-leagues butting their own opinions in. You could do it on a request basis where members PM mods their bnet account or a timestamped screenshot of their in-game profile, then the mods grant posting access to the forum. I don't know how much of a hassle for the mods that would be, but it is probably the simplest way to get it done. | ||
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Talho
Belgium592 Posts
On September 21 2010 04:53 Seam wrote: How are you going to put the req? Change it every few weeks? That would just be a pain in the ass for everyone =\ I dont see much of a problem in that :x maybe there's a cap on the ratings, who knows ? I personally dont see this as less noob-friendly. Cuz as a noob you cant even differ the good posts between the bad posts. That's a problem I atleast had when I was a bigger noob then now. | ||
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