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Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
September 09 2010 22:42 GMT
#81
from watching scbw and wc3 pros hand reels they use mouse hand.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-09 23:30:06
September 09 2010 22:45 GMT
#82
On September 10 2010 02:10 JudoChopper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 01:49 MoreFasho wrote:
Some players move their hands and use their thumb on the right control keys to set these. That's why with small hands 6 and 7 might actually be worse (farthest from control keys).

Whoa whoa whoa, you can use the keypad for group number?!? omg this is gonna be so awesome!

that's where this kb would come in handy: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=131552
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-09 22:47:51
September 09 2010 22:47 GMT
#83
Some of us played Brood war.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Niji87
Profile Joined September 2008
United States112 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-09 22:54:17
September 09 2010 22:47 GMT
#84
Learn to type with one hand.

As an aside, I played Protoss in BW for about 3 years straight. I can't imagine what it would be like to not use 8/9/0 or to not move your hand around the keyboard. I think any BW player who didn't relocate their hands during a game was probably D rank, potentially D+.

Also, it's not just out of habit. There are no disadvantages to using all your hotkey potential and becoming comfortable with them. There's just no reason for a good player to allow their ability to manipulate the keyboard regress. I use 8/9/0 in SC2 because I have the option to, unlike most. It's a conscious choice and one that I'll continue to make. Haha.

Anyway, your keyboard hand should have the entire keyboard covered (not counting numpad/arrows). You need to memorize where the keys are in relation to your default hand position, typically using F/J as markers. Once you know the spacing of your keys you'll be able to hit any key from your default position without looking. Using a different keyboard will explode your brain, btw.

There's a reason people bring their own keyboards to BW/SC2 tournaments.



EDIT: JangBi's keyboard is the best keyboard on earth Aiur.
I am not very good at playing StarCraft.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-09 23:25:33
September 09 2010 23:24 GMT
#85
On September 10 2010 05:18 Vz0 wrote:
are you guys dumb? -__-

they set 9 and 0 to their mouse buttons ... pros are sponsored by gaming companies that provide them with free gaming mouses (and usually makes them take full use of that to advertise the mouse's ability)

So on my razer deathadder I have 2 mouse buttons, I configure the two mouse buttons to 9 and 0. Therefor in game I can use al my 123456 for army/structures, but have my nexus/scout/whatever on my 9/0.

Oh really?

Then how is it that the Logitech Mini Optical, a mouse that DOESN'T HAVE side buttons the most well-known mouse in Starcraft progaming?

Also:
On September 10 2010 02:18 MoreFasho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 02:10 JudoChopper wrote:
On September 10 2010 01:49 MoreFasho wrote:
Some players move their hands and use their thumb on the right control keys to set these. That's why with small hands 6 and 7 might actually be worse (farthest from control keys).

Whoa whoa whoa, you can use the keypad for group number?!? omg this is gonna be so awesome!

No, unfortunately you can't use the keypad (not sure if you would want to. Now picture your left hand with your thumb on the right control key. Now you can hit 7-0 with your fingers.

Why do people find this so hard to understand? Moving your hand around the keyboard becomes fairly easy once you get used to it, and being able to use 890 is actually useful.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
September 09 2010 23:31 GMT
#86
No Protoss progamer in BW uses 890 for probes rofl, its either going to be gates or robotics
Writerptrk
Sentient
Profile Joined April 2010
United States437 Posts
September 09 2010 23:41 GMT
#87
On September 10 2010 07:38 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 05:18 Vz0 wrote:
are you guys dumb? -__-

they set 9 and 0 to their mouse buttons ... pros are sponsored by gaming companies that provide them with free gaming mouses (and usually makes them take full use of that to advertise the mouse's ability)

So on my razer deathadder I have 2 mouse buttons, I configure the two mouse buttons to 9 and 0. Therefor in game I can use al my 123456 for army/structures, but have my nexus/scout/whatever on my 9/0.


I dont think anyone here is dumb, except maybe yourself because its a well known fact that changing any keys in professional broodwar is illegal. No progamer sets keys to his mouse EVER. It is against fair play rules. Next time search before coming across as a fool.

This reply is overly aggressive. This is not profession Broodwar, every tournament is different, and many of these 890 observations come from play-from-home tournaments where players can use whatever configuration they want. Reconfiguring 9 and 0 to side mouse buttons is a great suggestion for more casual players.
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 00:16:35
September 09 2010 23:46 GMT
#88
On September 10 2010 08:41 Sentient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 07:38 eXigent. wrote:
On September 10 2010 05:18 Vz0 wrote:
are you guys dumb? -__-

they set 9 and 0 to their mouse buttons ... pros are sponsored by gaming companies that provide them with free gaming mouses (and usually makes them take full use of that to advertise the mouse's ability)

So on my razer deathadder I have 2 mouse buttons, I configure the two mouse buttons to 9 and 0. Therefor in game I can use al my 123456 for army/structures, but have my nexus/scout/whatever on my 9/0.


I dont think anyone here is dumb, except maybe yourself because its a well known fact that changing any keys in professional broodwar is illegal. No progamer sets keys to his mouse EVER. It is against fair play rules. Next time search before coming across as a fool.

This reply is overly aggressive. This is not profession Broodwar, every tournament is different, and many of these 890 observations come from play-from-home tournaments where players can use whatever configuration they want. Reconfiguring 9 and 0 to side mouse buttons is a great suggestion for more casual players.


Did you actually read vz0's post?

He could have just said what he used, instead of blabbering about things he had no clue about.
Khrane
Profile Joined April 2010
United States127 Posts
September 10 2010 00:15 GMT
#89
So far, I think I have 5 or 6 games trying to use 8, 9, and 0 regularly, instead of macroed to my mouse... Wow, it's hard. >_< I removed the several keys near ctrl and the - button to make it really obvious where it is, but it still throws me off a lot late in the game when I want to hit 0 for my forge(s).

I'm starting to get a bit better, though, by randomly hotkeying my first scouting probe to 0 and 9 ever once in a while.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
September 10 2010 23:34 GMT
#90
On September 10 2010 08:41 Sentient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 07:38 eXigent. wrote:
On September 10 2010 05:18 Vz0 wrote:
are you guys dumb? -__-

they set 9 and 0 to their mouse buttons ... pros are sponsored by gaming companies that provide them with free gaming mouses (and usually makes them take full use of that to advertise the mouse's ability)

So on my razer deathadder I have 2 mouse buttons, I configure the two mouse buttons to 9 and 0. Therefor in game I can use al my 123456 for army/structures, but have my nexus/scout/whatever on my 9/0.


I dont think anyone here is dumb, except maybe yourself because its a well known fact that changing any keys in professional broodwar is illegal. No progamer sets keys to his mouse EVER. It is against fair play rules. Next time search before coming across as a fool.

This reply is overly aggressive. This is not profession Broodwar, every tournament is different, and many of these 890 observations come from play-from-home tournaments where players can use whatever configuration they want. Reconfiguring 9 and 0 to side mouse buttons is a great suggestion for more casual players.


overly aggressive? He suggested everyone in the thread was dumb, and then went on to post a dumb answer that is severely wrong. He is not talking about joe shmoe sitting at home. His response CLEARLY states "pros", does he not?
lindn
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden833 Posts
September 10 2010 23:50 GMT
#91
On September 10 2010 01:47 Helmet EU wrote:
I just can't get my head around it, I'm standing at two meters and eight years of piano playing experience, and how someone, especially a short Korean can use the hotkeys "9" and "0" easily is beyond me. Especially as they seem to prefer 9 and 0 to for example 6 and 7. Can anybody explain how they do it?

P.S. I did try using the search button for the past 30 minutes but I just can't find a good answer; is there any legal way to assign mouse 4 and mouse 5 to "9" and "0" in Starcraft 2? I do not have a microsoft or Logitech mouse, and all of the third party programs aren't compatible with Starcraft 2 somehow : / Thanks in advance.

if you're a piano player you should know how to move your hand quickly and accurately over to the 9/0 keys.

it's easy when you get used to it.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 11 2010 00:35 GMT
#92
I use 9 and 0 because I need it. -.-;

8 hotkeys isn't enough for me, especially since I don't use macros and other mouse macro crap.
Lea
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden120 Posts
September 20 2010 00:00 GMT
#93
On September 10 2010 01:47 Helmet EU wrote:
I just can't get my head around it, I'm standing at two meters and eight years of piano playing experience, and how someone, especially a short Korean can use the hotkeys "9" and "0" easily is beyond me. Especially as they seem to prefer 9 and 0 to for example 6 and 7. Can anybody explain how they do it?

P.S. I did try using the search button for the past 30 minutes but I just can't find a good answer; is there any legal way to assign mouse 4 and mouse 5 to "9" and "0" in Starcraft 2? I do not have a microsoft or Logitech mouse, and all of the third party programs aren't compatible with Starcraft 2 somehow : / Thanks in advance.

I'm a Korean girl and I use 0 and 9 all the time! You just have to lift your hand up a bit (I am a guitar player though...). The key is to not assign anything you have to use often at 9 and 0, like an upgrade building. This makes it a lot swifter for transitions. As a toss player, I sometimes put my obs at 0 or 9 because it's a unit I have to have hotkeyed but I don't always move it around and the hotkey doesn't interfere with my other macro'ing (I put my production buildings from 4-8).

I do not play at pro level nor do I aspire to, but using 0 and 9 as hotkeys? Easy. You just have to get used to use them. I find it easier to use 0 and 9 than 7-8.
guN-viCe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States687 Posts
September 20 2010 00:20 GMT
#94
ive always used 0 and 9 for comsats and 12345678 for control groups
Never give up, never surrender!!! ~~ Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -Sagan
Zvendetta
Profile Joined July 2010
United States321 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 00:30:39
September 20 2010 00:27 GMT
#95
Like the OP, I am a musical player but not a pro SC2 gamer. However, its just my preference to set items to 9/ 0 keys, and I have been doing that a long time in RTS gaming, even before I started seeing pros do it.
One reason I do it is that while it is a jump in the keyboard, i know the distance by heart and I can easily slide my hand over and hit either 9 or 0. In addition, if i were to have a single scout set to a middle key, there is a higher chance of me misclicking, which would be really noobish.
Second reason is that it clears up key space for other control groups which I access more often. This is how I hot key zerg:
1-4 units, 5 hatches (thinking about changing it to 4 tho), 6 queens. (I use backspace inject method which is similar to 9/0 keying in that its preference and you have to slide your hands all the way over to use it.) a random overlord has no place in slot 6 obviously.

edit: oh and since there is a second ctrl key on the right side assigning 890 hotkeys for me is ridiculously fast (slide hand, thumb right ctrl, middle finger 890)
"Its as if I can see the gears of the Eternal Alchemy spinning before, and I can almost reach out and turn them with my hands."
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
September 20 2010 00:31 GMT
#96
Just use hotkeys 0 / 9 for units that you wont be using as often, i.e. observers, or buildings for upgrades. Over time of using them, you will not find it as complicated.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
QQmonster
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada240 Posts
September 20 2010 01:34 GMT
#97
I use my left hand on the mouse and my right hand on the keyboard, the 1-0 keys are all pretty easy for me to hit. I've played competitive online games for years now and I'm used to stretching my hand across the keyboard. It's similar to learning how to type, once you memorize exactly how far to go on your keyboard there's no problem.

i use 0 for dropships and 9 for banshees, most of the time. sometimes i swap them out depending on my build order - if i have too many different types of units to give all their own hotkeys or not
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