EPTP.S. I did try using the search button for the past 30 minutes but I just can't find a good answer; is there any legal way to assign mouse 4 and mouse 5 to "9" and "0" in Starcraft 2? I do not have a microsoft or Logitech mouse, and all of the third party programs aren't compatible with Starcraft 2 somehow : / Thanks in advance.
Pro's using "9" and "0" hotkeys?
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Helmet EU
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P.S. I did try using the search button for the past 30 minutes but I just can't find a good answer; is there any legal way to assign mouse 4 and mouse 5 to "9" and "0" in Starcraft 2? I do not have a microsoft or Logitech mouse, and all of the third party programs aren't compatible with Starcraft 2 somehow : / Thanks in advance. | ||
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RoarMan
Canada745 Posts
I'm not sure about the whole pro-grammable mouse thing, but be careful as Blizzard seems to have a very strong stance against macros and such. | ||
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
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Kokosaft
Germany172 Posts
@ PS: you can do it via drivers for most gaming mouses | ||
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rackdude
United States882 Posts
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Whiladan
United States463 Posts
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Jh
Finland151 Posts
tasteless' keyboard guide: http://starfeeder.gameriot.com/blogs/tasteless/secrets-of-starcraft-pro-gamers-the-competitive-keyboard | ||
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Helmet EU
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rockslave
Brazil318 Posts
edit: rackdude beat me to it, with the exact same response... | ||
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KentHenry
United States260 Posts
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Zeroes
United States1102 Posts
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claricorp
Canada142 Posts
i use them for scouting overlords | ||
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
On September 10 2010 01:52 Helmet EU wrote: To clarify; it's not a macro, I just want my Mouse 4 to act as if I pressed the "9" key, and Mouse 5 should become "0". Also, Fasho, how does that work? My left hand is in a "typing" position, you mean that some players put their hand in another position? So they rotate their hand across the keyboard to so some things and then move it back, it takes some practice, but it can help expand your hotkey usage. Also you can "kind of" attack from over there with "p" for patrol. | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
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palanq
United States761 Posts
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JudoChopper
England148 Posts
On September 10 2010 01:49 MoreFasho wrote: Some players move their hands and use their thumb on the right control keys to set these. That's why with small hands 6 and 7 might actually be worse (farthest from control keys). Whoa whoa whoa, you can use the keypad for group number?!? omg this is gonna be so awesome! | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
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Taylor Hall
Canada44 Posts
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Konsume
Canada466 Posts
PROBE. Basicaly, when the game start you'd put your nexus on 0 and than press "P" which was the short key. Do you see how close "P" and 9-0 are? so each time you'd make a Nexus it would just be easier for you to just press "P" from the later numbers. But I must agree that even today with SC2 I still use 9-0 to put upgrade buildings on. Basicaly when I want to do a melee, ranged or carapace upgrade I press "0" and when I have some skill upgrades to do I press on 9 and tab to the right building!  Works well  | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
If your natural position is WASD on the left hand, then that's probably why you are having trouble - I played WOW, so I also had that problem.. Just get used to using the hotkeys further away, all it takes is practice | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
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ThE.SparkZ
United States381 Posts
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
On September 10 2010 02:10 JudoChopper wrote: Whoa whoa whoa, you can use the keypad for group number?!? omg this is gonna be so awesome! No, unfortunately you can't use the keypad (not sure if you would want to. Now picture your left hand with your thumb on the right control key. Now you can hit 7-0 with your fingers. | ||
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TobZero
Germany493 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
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Bhaalgorn
Slovenia214 Posts
I'm just speculating though, it could be purely a habit of doing so for years on end. | ||
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mattpkp
United States9 Posts
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NeV
Italy370 Posts
It only requires a bit of practice if you're not used, but after that u'll be faster. There was a tutorial made by Tasteless on how you should use your keyboard efficiently. Try to search it on these forums. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On September 10 2010 01:52 Jh wrote: well brood war hotkey for probe was p. so the tosses just put their nexi(?) to 8 9 0. tasteless' keyboard guide: http://starfeeder.gameriot.com/blogs/tasteless/secrets-of-starcraft-pro-gamers-the-competitive-keyboard That's what I believed as well, but most korean pros in BW used 567 as starting nexus. Weird but it's true. I used 098 and still do in sc2, for me it's habit but in the end it's really goo because I can have a larger army spread on hotkeys. 1 stalkers, 2 lotz, 3 sentries, 4 col/immortals. And I use 5 for warp gates and 6 for robo. So the rest are for nexus. | ||
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SuperGnu
Sweden240 Posts
On September 10 2010 01:47 Helmet EU wrote: I just can't get my head around it, I'm standing at two meters and eight years of piano playing experience, and how someone, especially a short Korean can use the hotkeys "9" and "0" easily is beyond me. Especially as they seem to prefer 9 and 0 to for example 6 and 7. Can anybody explain how they do it? P.S. I did try using the search button for the past 30 minutes but I just can't find a good answer; is there any legal way to assign mouse 4 and mouse 5 to "9" and "0" in Starcraft 2? I do not have a microsoft or Logitech mouse, and all of the third party programs aren't compatible with Starcraft 2 somehow : / Thanks in advance. Habit. I have been using 9 and 0 for buildings/detectors since i started playing SC 12 years ago. Some ppl just like other settings, some like to use every button there is to bind stuff to, others dont. Some want to use 1-2 for buildings, some want 9-0 for buildings, some want to scroll around with arrow keys some use the mouse. EDIT: and as someone else said, in SC/BW the army size was 12 so you had to use A LOT of binds for your army alone, now you can get away with 1-3 back then you needed all 10 sometimes. | ||
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Helmet EU
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
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Bleb
Croatia278 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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junemermaid
United States981 Posts
On September 10 2010 01:51 rackdude wrote: In SC1 they used 9p0p to build probes (those are close), so they just used 9 and 0 for nexuses in SC2 out of habit? Yep. I use 0 for my nexus and keep putting new nexus's on it afterwards. This is mostly a relic from playing brood war. 9 & 8 are reserved for obs and warp prisms, 4-5 are for production structures, and 1-3 are units. I find its hard to maintain decent army control without having three hotkeys for units (two for units, one for spell casters) I avoid hotkeys 6-7 because they are hard for me to press accurately without glancing down on the keyboard  | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
8 is nexus for chrono boost (using pinky to hit c). 7 for sgates, 6 for robos, 5 for gates. I played BW with a similar setup, so I just use it. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Terran. | ||
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MinoMino
Norway1103 Posts
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
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Medzo
United States627 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
1.) multiple buildings selection: obviously since you are now allowed to throw all buildings on one hotkey you don't have to assign each production building an individual hotkey 2.) hotkey-placement: I can only speak for me as a protoss-player; but as previously mentioned, in BW "probe" was on "p", so placing the nexus/nexi(?) to 8-0 made perfect sense; then I played wc3 for a long time and had "build peon" on "u" so I had my main-building on 6-7....now "probe" is "E" so I assign my main to "3" now...although I have to admit I always have one hell of a time to adjust to different hotkeys | ||
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Elmo
France90 Posts
The only problem is when you use a lot of ctrl groups, basically, you have to move your hand to the other side of the keyboard, where there is absolutely no micro/macro shortcuts. | ||
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DamageInq
United States283 Posts
If you set all your Nexus' to 0, you only have to press shift 0 a few times in a game. The instead of trying to extend your finger to hit 0 everytime you build a probe, just move you hand slightly. After you get the muscle memory down of where 0 is, you'll fly right to it This allows production buildings to be at 5-7, 8-9 be for scouting units or whatever and leaves the quick handy 1-4 for armies. | ||
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Dragonsven
United States145 Posts
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miranakerr
Australia24 Posts
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SuperGnu
Sweden240 Posts
On September 10 2010 03:53 Dragonsven wrote: I use 0 for warp gates and 9 for nexus. Holdover from BW - I still haven't broken the habit. It's not great hotkey setup for SC2. i do the oposite :p 0 for nexys and 9 for warpgates. i know the shortcut is W but i never use it. | ||
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R0YAL
United States1768 Posts
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ravagetalon
United States18 Posts
On September 10 2010 01:52 Helmet EU wrote: To clarify; it's not a macro, I just want my Mouse 4 to act as if I pressed the "9" key, and Mouse 5 should become "0". Also, Fasho, how does that work? My left hand is in a "typing" position, you mean that some players put their hand in another position? Try Joy2key maybe? Or does your mouse come with a standalone driver for stuff like that? (Like most Razer mice do) | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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Canada1235 Posts
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
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United States2643 Posts
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Xlancer
United States126 Posts
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Touch
Canada475 Posts
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Brazil179 Posts
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Vz0
Canada378 Posts
they set 9 and 0 to their mouse buttons ... pros are sponsored by gaming companies that provide them with free gaming mouses (and usually makes them take full use of that to advertise the mouse's ability) So on my razer deathadder I have 2 mouse buttons, I configure the two mouse buttons to 9 and 0. Therefor in game I can use al my 123456 for army/structures, but have my nexus/scout/whatever on my 9/0. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On September 10 2010 05:16 J7S wrote: In a similar note, how often do you use the directional keys to scroll the screen? I see pros using them from time to time, but i always scroll with the mouse on the edge of the screen. It's all personal preference really. You don't have to copy what well known players do, just do what's comfortable. Everyone has their own personal hotkey setup because there is no "best" setup or "best" way to scroll around. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On September 10 2010 05:18 Vz0 wrote: are you guys dumb? -__- they set 9 and 0 to their mouse buttons ... pros are sponsored by gaming companies that provide them with free gaming mouses (and usually makes them take full use of that to advertise the mouse's ability) So on my razer deathadder I have 2 mouse buttons, I configure the two mouse buttons to 9 and 0. Therefor in game I can use al my 123456 for army/structures, but have my nexus/scout/whatever on my 9/0. are you serious? lol like really | ||
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Lucid90
Canada340 Posts
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iSiN
United States1075 Posts
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Hakker
United States1360 Posts
On September 10 2010 01:52 Jh wrote: well brood war hotkey for probe was p. so the tosses just put their nexi(?) to 8 9 0. tasteless' keyboard guide: http://starfeeder.gameriot.com/blogs/tasteless/secrets-of-starcraft-pro-gamers-the-competitive-keyboard Slightly off-topic but someone really should mirror tasteless keyboard guide somewhere. If you follow gameriot at all, the website is very nearly about to close down for good. | ||
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The Stapler
United States326 Posts
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Panoptic
United Kingdom515 Posts
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
Save main hatch in 4, second in 5, third in 6, and so on. Then, I save ALL hatcheries in 0. I use 4,5,6,7,8 to center view and 0 to select all and build. I do the same as P and T when I build in several different locations. | ||
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sl0w
United States447 Posts
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Khrane
United States127 Posts
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MiyaviTeddy
Canada697 Posts
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J7S
Brazil179 Posts
On September 10 2010 05:18 Backpack wrote: It's all personal preference really. You don't have to copy what well known players do, just do what's comfortable. Everyone has their own personal hotkey setup because there is no "best" setup or "best" way to scroll around. I know it is personal preference, it is exactly why I asked. I'm curious to know how others use it since I don't. As for the 9 and 0 keys, I'm trying using them in overseers and tech buildings, but I have not incorporated them fully to my mechanics. | ||
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s[O]rry
Canada398 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4212 Posts
On September 10 2010 01:47 Helmet EU wrote: I just can't get my head around it, I'm standing at two meters and eight years of piano playing experience, and how someone, especially a short Korean can use the hotkeys "9" and "0" easily is beyond me. Especially as they seem to prefer 9 and 0 to for example 6 and 7. Can anybody explain how they do it? Simple answer - they move their hand, press "9" or "0", then move their hand back..... + Show Spoiler + You're Terran, right? I've been using all 10 hotkeys, and I love it. And I don't have any experience on a piano..... My setup is as follows: 1 - Army. 2 - Army. 3 - Army (yes, I use 3 different hotkeys for my army, I split it up depending on my composition, or if I'm harassing, drops, etc). 4 - SCV's with my army (I always bring some along for bunkering/turreting/repairing). 5 - SCV's in my base (for building stuff, then I can just shift-click them back to mining). 6 - All of my Command Centres. 7 - All of my Barracks. 8 - All of my Factories. 9 - All of my Starports. 0 - An Armory or Ebay (I build 2+ of these at the same location at the same time, so I can check the progress of multiple upgrades at any time, and I will usually have some other type of upgrade building nearby, like a Ghost Academy). I'm not a great player, but it helps a lot, especially since I generally have a low apm, using a lot of hotkeys seems to make it easier to keep track of everything. It's probably not perfect, but it works for me, and I've been refining it since I got the beta. If you didn't notice, I have buildings with some of the largest build/research times put to my 9 and 0 hotkeys. That way I don't have to check it as often, which means I am still making use out of the hotkeys without having to slow myself down by using them all the time (since I can reach up to 7 comfortably, 8 stretches it, and I have to move my hand to get 9 and 0). Back when I started getting back into SCBW on ICCUP, I had a rude awakening on how high the skill level was (relative to my noob skills at the time). I was using a touchpad. The only way I could keep up at even the D level without a mouse was to use my keyboard as well as possible, so I got comfortable using hotkeys a lot. It's probably why I still use all 10 hotkeys, even though the macro in SC2 is far easier than SCBW. | ||
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kryto
United States53 Posts
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
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xenom00t
United States162 Posts
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Jubeebee
United States13 Posts
I do find it pretty stupid that there isn't a CustomKeys.txt file for SC2 that lets you define your own hotkeys though. It's the simplest thing in the world and they dropped it. | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On September 10 2010 06:06 neobowman wrote: I heard Flash kind of injured his hand while trying to get used to stretching his hand further on the keyboard to reach 9 and 0. Once he got used to it though, holy shit, he started destroying everyone (more than before). OT: You know that Flash brings a ruler to all his games and measure something. It turns out that he was mesuring the distance between the monitor's edge and F8. | ||
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TwilightStar
United States649 Posts
On September 10 2010 01:51 rackdude wrote: In SC1 they used 9p0p to build probes (those are close), so they just used 9 and 0 for nexuses in SC2 out of habit? This is EXACTLY it. As a BW protoss player, I can vouch. | ||
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Zack1900
United States211 Posts
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On September 10 2010 05:18 Vz0 wrote: are you guys dumb? -__- they set 9 and 0 to their mouse buttons ... pros are sponsored by gaming companies that provide them with free gaming mouses (and usually makes them take full use of that to advertise the mouse's ability) So on my razer deathadder I have 2 mouse buttons, I configure the two mouse buttons to 9 and 0. Therefor in game I can use al my 123456 for army/structures, but have my nexus/scout/whatever on my 9/0. I dont think anyone here is dumb, except maybe yourself because its a well known fact that changing any keys in professional broodwar is illegal. No progamer sets keys to his mouse EVER. It is against fair play rules. Next time search before coming across as a fool. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On September 10 2010 02:10 JudoChopper wrote: Whoa whoa whoa, you can use the keypad for group number?!? omg this is gonna be so awesome! that's where this kb would come in handy: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=131552 | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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Niji87
United States112 Posts
As an aside, I played Protoss in BW for about 3 years straight. I can't imagine what it would be like to not use 8/9/0 or to not move your hand around the keyboard. I think any BW player who didn't relocate their hands during a game was probably D rank, potentially D+. Also, it's not just out of habit. There are no disadvantages to using all your hotkey potential and becoming comfortable with them. There's just no reason for a good player to allow their ability to manipulate the keyboard regress. I use 8/9/0 in SC2 because I have the option to, unlike most. It's a conscious choice and one that I'll continue to make. Haha. Anyway, your keyboard hand should have the entire keyboard covered (not counting numpad/arrows). You need to memorize where the keys are in relation to your default hand position, typically using F/J as markers. Once you know the spacing of your keys you'll be able to hit any key from your default position without looking. Using a different keyboard will explode your brain, btw. There's a reason people bring their own keyboards to BW/SC2 tournaments. EDIT: JangBi's keyboard is the best keyboard on | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 10 2010 05:18 Vz0 wrote: are you guys dumb? -__- they set 9 and 0 to their mouse buttons ... pros are sponsored by gaming companies that provide them with free gaming mouses (and usually makes them take full use of that to advertise the mouse's ability) So on my razer deathadder I have 2 mouse buttons, I configure the two mouse buttons to 9 and 0. Therefor in game I can use al my 123456 for army/structures, but have my nexus/scout/whatever on my 9/0. Oh really? Then how is it that the Logitech Mini Optical, a mouse that DOESN'T HAVE side buttons the most well-known mouse in Starcraft progaming? Also: On September 10 2010 02:18 MoreFasho wrote: No, unfortunately you can't use the keypad (not sure if you would want to. Now picture your left hand with your thumb on the right control key. Now you can hit 7-0 with your fingers. Why do people find this so hard to understand? Moving your hand around the keyboard becomes fairly easy once you get used to it, and being able to use 890 is actually useful. | ||
ArvickHero
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Sentient
United States437 Posts
On September 10 2010 07:38 eXigent. wrote: I dont think anyone here is dumb, except maybe yourself because its a well known fact that changing any keys in professional broodwar is illegal. No progamer sets keys to his mouse EVER. It is against fair play rules. Next time search before coming across as a fool. This reply is overly aggressive. This is not profession Broodwar, every tournament is different, and many of these 890 observations come from play-from-home tournaments where players can use whatever configuration they want. Reconfiguring 9 and 0 to side mouse buttons is a great suggestion for more casual players. | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On September 10 2010 08:41 Sentient wrote: This reply is overly aggressive. This is not profession Broodwar, every tournament is different, and many of these 890 observations come from play-from-home tournaments where players can use whatever configuration they want. Reconfiguring 9 and 0 to side mouse buttons is a great suggestion for more casual players. Did you actually read vz0's post? He could have just said what he used, instead of blabbering about things he had no clue about. | ||
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Khrane
United States127 Posts
I'm starting to get a bit better, though, by randomly hotkeying my first scouting probe to 0 and 9 ever once in a while. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On September 10 2010 08:41 Sentient wrote: This reply is overly aggressive. This is not profession Broodwar, every tournament is different, and many of these 890 observations come from play-from-home tournaments where players can use whatever configuration they want. Reconfiguring 9 and 0 to side mouse buttons is a great suggestion for more casual players. overly aggressive? He suggested everyone in the thread was dumb, and then went on to post a dumb answer that is severely wrong. He is not talking about joe shmoe sitting at home. His response CLEARLY states "pros", does he not? | ||
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lindn
Sweden833 Posts
On September 10 2010 01:47 Helmet EU wrote: I just can't get my head around it, I'm standing at two meters and eight years of piano playing experience, and how someone, especially a short Korean can use the hotkeys "9" and "0" easily is beyond me. Especially as they seem to prefer 9 and 0 to for example 6 and 7. Can anybody explain how they do it? P.S. I did try using the search button for the past 30 minutes but I just can't find a good answer; is there any legal way to assign mouse 4 and mouse 5 to "9" and "0" in Starcraft 2? I do not have a microsoft or Logitech mouse, and all of the third party programs aren't compatible with Starcraft 2 somehow : / Thanks in advance. if you're a piano player you should know how to move your hand quickly and accurately over to the 9/0 keys. it's easy when you get used to it. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
8 hotkeys isn't enough for me, especially since I don't use macros and other mouse macro crap. | ||
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Lea
Sweden120 Posts
On September 10 2010 01:47 Helmet EU wrote: I just can't get my head around it, I'm standing at two meters and eight years of piano playing experience, and how someone, especially a short Korean can use the hotkeys "9" and "0" easily is beyond me. Especially as they seem to prefer 9 and 0 to for example 6 and 7. Can anybody explain how they do it? P.S. I did try using the search button for the past 30 minutes but I just can't find a good answer; is there any legal way to assign mouse 4 and mouse 5 to "9" and "0" in Starcraft 2? I do not have a microsoft or Logitech mouse, and all of the third party programs aren't compatible with Starcraft 2 somehow : / Thanks in advance. I'm a Korean girl and I use 0 and 9 all the time! You just have to lift your hand up a bit (I am a guitar player though...). The key is to not assign anything you have to use often at 9 and 0, like an upgrade building. This makes it a lot swifter for transitions. As a toss player, I sometimes put my obs at 0 or 9 because it's a unit I have to have hotkeyed but I don't always move it around and the hotkey doesn't interfere with my other macro'ing (I put my production buildings from 4-8). I do not play at pro level nor do I aspire to, but using 0 and 9 as hotkeys? Easy. You just have to get used to use them. I find it easier to use 0 and 9 than 7-8. | ||
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
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Zvendetta
United States321 Posts
One reason I do it is that while it is a jump in the keyboard, i know the distance by heart and I can easily slide my hand over and hit either 9 or 0. In addition, if i were to have a single scout set to a middle key, there is a higher chance of me misclicking, which would be really noobish. Second reason is that it clears up key space for other control groups which I access more often. This is how I hot key zerg: 1-4 units, 5 hatches (thinking about changing it to 4 tho), 6 queens. (I use backspace inject method which is similar to 9/0 keying in that its preference and you have to slide your hands all the way over to use it.) a random overlord has no place in slot 6 obviously. edit: oh and since there is a second ctrl key on the right side assigning 890 hotkeys for me is ridiculously fast (slide hand, thumb right ctrl, middle finger 890) | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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QQmonster
Canada240 Posts
i use 0 for dropships and 9 for banshees, most of the time. sometimes i swap them out depending on my build order - if i have too many different types of units to give all their own hotkeys or not | ||
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