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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
Like, when the announcement was first made start a thread on GOM website with logical points instead of raging on TL. Or now, maintain a cautious-but-reasonable attitude instead of conspiracy theories. I don't know if it's the whole thing with Brood War or it's really hot outside or what, but people are losing their heads. | ||
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beat
Germany11 Posts
On September 04 2010 01:12 Milkis wrote: Words don't mean shit. If what you're saying actually does have any meaning then I hope to see some actual actions that benefits fans in the future, instead of just throwing out blind selfish ideas without even thinking about how fans would react in the future. Nice stream quality btw what a great way to show off those sc2 graphics it´s for free now. if you dont like it, don´t watch it. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On September 04 2010 01:30 GogoKodo wrote: I believe changing the low quality stream to free counts as an action. I think changing the price to $20 to include the higher quality stream as well as VODS counts as an action. Do these 2 changes not benefit fans directly and immediately? Action AFTER fans bitched moaned and complained and AFTER showign that like 80% have no intention of paying? I don't care about "after" the fact changes. If you're gonna wait until problems occur and then fix it you're no better than KeSPA. I want to see initial actions that show "well how will the fans react to this", not coverup actions that does that. Gretech is still on the same level as KeSPA really | ||
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Zonel
United States100 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae344/thestateoferic/bandwidthcheck.png) Woot! HD stream here I come.  | ||
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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AraqirG
United States266 Posts
On September 04 2010 01:37 Milkis wrote: Action AFTER fans bitched moaned and complained and AFTER showign that like 80% have no intention of paying? I don't care about "after" the fact changes. If you're gonna wait until problems occur and then fix it you're no better than KeSPA. I want to see initial actions that show "well how will the fans react to this", not coverup actions that does that. Gretech is still on the same level as KeSPA really SC2 is a whole new ball game for Gom. I agree that Gom needs to show us some real improvements in the future (no lag on stream, better quality stream, free vods) but give them a few months. A lot of that stuff is easier said than done. That said, in a few months if we still haven't seen any improvements, bring out the pitchforks and call them kespa | ||
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xlep
Germany274 Posts
On September 04 2010 01:26 GogoKodo wrote: Bandwidth alone doesn't a stream make. Perhaps when they are talking about covering the costs they are talking about using that money to pay Artosis/Tastless, or the people that have to work on/with the stream servers, administrative costs related to streaming. I'm not saying it's a good idea to do that, but it's just one of many possibilities. You may be right in the end, but I can give them benefit of the doubt on this occasion especially because we will probably never know all the real costs for sure. Not even considering that they probably want to make some money off the tournament. Most guys here in the forums forget that Gom is a company that wants to make money. I remember day9 talking about his King of the Hill tournament and all the work related to that. I don't even want to know all the stuff happening around a tournament with offline prelims etc. I gotta give big thanks to Gom for lowering the Price though. Even though I'm hoping that they'll upgrade both the quality of the free and premium stream in the future, I'll definately order the updated version for 20 bucks | ||
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DarkspearTribe
568 Posts
On September 04 2010 01:40 Zonel wrote: They finally fixed their bandwidth check also. Woot! HD stream here I come. Yeah bandwidth is 30x times better than yesterday 8) | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
I dont consider room for improvement as being bad service. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On September 04 2010 01:40 stormtemplar wrote: Kespa never listened to us at all. This is defiantly an improvement. Seriously, kespa had no idea there even were non-korean fans, or didn't care. The fact that your this ungrateful is sad. They could have ignored us and left it the way it was. there's no way they could have "ignored" you guys, cause they're trying to make money off of you guys and you guys pretty much said you guys won't buy. KeSPA isn't great at listening, and obviously they're not going to listen to foreign fans because there's nothing at stake for them, although they apparently do know TL exists and follows it to an extent (Check TL's twitter -- KeSPA follows it). Saying "KeSPA never listened to us!!!!" is kinda worthless since they have no reason to, unlike GOM. KeSPA did make changes to their shit "after the fact" and netizen complaints, just like GOM. What's the difference other than you now feeling you're more empowered? "ungrateful"? call it what you want, I'm just a skeptic. Also why would I pay for such a pissy poor service when I can get HQ Korean VODs for free? lol | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On September 04 2010 01:44 Milkis wrote: there's no way they could have "ignored" you guys, cause they're trying to make money off of you guys and you guys pretty much said you guys won't buy. KeSPA isn't great at listening, and obviously they're not going to listen to foreign fans because there's nothing at stake for them, although they apparently do know TL exists and follows it to an extent (Check TL's twitter -- KeSPA follows it). Saying "KeSPA never listened to us!!!!" is kinda worthless since they have no reason to, unlike GOM. KeSPA did make changes to their shit "after the fact" and netizen complaints, just like GOM. What's the difference other than you now feeling you're more empowered? "ungrateful"? call it what you want, I'm just a skeptic. Also why would I pay for such a pissy poor service when I can get HQ Korean VODs for free? lol Okay Milkis, you are on a war rampage and just want to throw hate on everything that relates to SC2 and Esports, we get it. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On September 04 2010 01:45 Integra wrote: Okay Milkis, you are on a war rampage and just want to throw hate on everything that relates to SC2 and Esports, we get it. sorry that i want competent companies running the show i guess :3 you can call it hate, i'll call it skepticism and wanting evidence and positive signals before I throw my support for anything | ||
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
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zTz
United States476 Posts
 TorcH for the thread GOMtv.net | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 04 2010 01:46 Milkis wrote: sorry that i want competent companies running the show i guess :3 you can call it hate, i'll call it skepticism and wanting evidence and positive signals before I throw my support for anything Your statements in previous threads clearly show that your position is not one of "skepticism," but of outright hostility. Please, argue your opinion, but don't try to pass it off as impartiality. | ||
conTAgi0n
United States335 Posts
Oh and btw guys LQ stream still isn't free, it cost us all Proleague and MSL. | ||
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
On September 04 2010 01:50 zTz wrote: its a new age, and things cost money. Tournaments are not free, nor is staff and all the back office work. TorcH for the thread GOMtv.netHmm we are in a recession and the European equivalent of GomTV are providing free VODs and lower quality streams along with a HD premium service which will get you a whole year for 30 Euros and they dont just cover Blizzard games. But yea | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On September 04 2010 01:53 motbob wrote: Your statements in previous threads clearly show that your position is not one of "skepticism," but of outright hostility. Please, argue your opinion, but don't try to pass it off as impartiality. I consider companies based on the signals they send out (ie: actions). Their actions seem rather self centered and money oriented rather than for the fans. Whether or not the "Door in face" technique was intended it's clearly working in terms of this thread. I don't see what's wrong with being "hostile" to companies sending out terrible signals. If they send out positive signals, then ofc I would be more optimistic and skeptical. Basically I don't like playing what-ifs and being optimistic without any evidence. Give me evidence (actions) Gretech cares and I'll be more optimistic. It's quite simple really. But then again everyone is so eager to jump down people's throat as being haters if they say anything bad lol | ||
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Ome
Canada157 Posts
For instance the SC2 free stream for MLG was rather good, but in the past the WOW free streams have been of horrid quality and you could barely see anything in them in the normal frame, let alone if it's windowed. As for why they don't use youtube or ustream, I'd suspect it's because they created their Gom.tv player, and want to use that instead. I mean they already paid someone to create, might as well use it. It is my hope that over time there would be a way for them to provide us a HQ SD stream that is totally ad supported and an HD stream that is a couple extra bucks. GL GOM. | ||
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