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Mods: I’m sorry for creating another thread about this topic, but I feel this information needs to be very easily and quickly accessed.
Note: All the information in this post is completely based on the information I have gathered and does not *necessarily* reflect the opinions of GomTV, Blizzard, GSL, or any other party.
As many people have seen, GomTV has changed their original plan for a PPV-only model of viewing GSL to the more standard: Free Normal(Low?)-Quality stream and then a reasonably priced Premium HQ Stream+VODs (You can find the exact options on http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/ as soon as it is made public). What I intend to address in this post is some reasons for why they changed their method with a bit of insight into the company itself and all it is trying to do for SC2 and e-Sports.
From the beginning, the PPV method was never a money-making scheme and GomTV should not be compared to Kespa/OGN/MBC for any reason (good or bad). They are trying to learn from the mistakes of their counterparts, but also adopt the successful attributes as they can. What Junkka (GomTV rep and very manner fellow) has stated in his posts about the cost going to cover the stream itself is very true. It was simply because they were not aware of any alternatives at the time. We all know it was not the wisest or most researched decision to make, but they now have other options which they are pursuing in order to do what is best for the community as a whole. It is not because they “tried to squeeze e-sports dry” (or any other similar ideas) and failed, but because, as Junkka said, they are extremely understaffed while still trying to run one of the largest (and hopefully one of the best) e-Sports events in history.
Every employee at GomTV that I have met so far is working very hard and are passionate about what this could become, but they also do not have a strong connection to the foreign community, yet. They respect TL very much and do want to hear your opinions, but things also take time, so be patient, while still providing feedback as much as you can. It seemed a little odd even to me that they had not made any statements concerning this issue earlier, but they were pretty much all in rushed meetings trying to solve the issues and not able to provide a concise statement to TL or any other foreigners.
Also, don’t necessarily expect anything official to come out for a little while, they are still working to provide an even better solution then what we are seeing now and may not want to make a statement they would once again have to retract. They recognize that while the additional US servers they are providing will help tremendously (as can be seen by the “Bandwidth Check” differences between yesterday and today), there is still a long way to go before everyone can receive ideal coverage of the event.
Summary: -GomTV cares and is in no way evil -GSL will become a great event if we all support it (not necessarily monetarily, but in any way we can) -Keep up the good work!
Addressing a few common comments in the various threads: 1. This was absolutely NOT a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique as many people speculated. They are being very honest with their statements and just don’t have the manpower to make 100% correct decisions 100% of the time. Bear with them (get it, because “Gom” = “Bear” in Korean ;-)) and keep providing them *constructive* criticism as you see fit. 2. Many of the pro-payment people stated you should be paying for this service just to support e-Sports. I disagree. Do NOT throw money away just in the name of supporting something, but DO let it be a factor in making some decisions, such as whether or not to pay for the HQ of a match you really want to see versus buying the whole package and only using it once or twice. Basically, be inclined to support GomTV/MLG/ESL/HandsomeNerd/etc if they provide a service you would like, as they prove to help E-Sports, but don’t have it be the sole reason for giving money to some random product/service if it doesn’t actually help or interest you. 3. Again, I can confirm that these events were not planned from the start, but the loud outcry has actually been motivating to GomTV and, with a bit of reflection, should be to everyone here. Take this energy and spread the word of GSL, SC2, and e-Sports to your friends, family, girlfriend, neighbors, grandparents, etc. 4. A fully, free, ad-supported, true-HD stream is the goal, but keep in mind this is EXTREMELY short notice to run a tournament of this scale on *repeat* a very understaffed team. Saying things like “they should just get sponsors, it’d pay for itself” is completely known to them, but you have to have a marketing team already set and able to present your product to *foreign* (most employees speak no, or very little, English) companies that may have never heard of E-Sports before.
Other Clarifications (I may edit in more items here if there are other questions I can clear up): 1. Season = approximately a 1-month tournament. There will be 3 seasons in 2010. 2. GSL will most likely NOT be on OGN this season, nothing is final however.
Overall Message: Try to erase the past few days from your mind and return to being psyched for what could easily become the greatest ongoing event in E-Sports history. Spread the word.
If you have any further questions, feel free to send them to me or Junkka@gretech.com. However, I may not be able to respond as I’ve been neglecting practicing for a bit, because of this :-/.
(For the record, I had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to make this free, it was all of you. TEAM LIQUID FIGHTING!)
PS. In the interest of returning GSL's image back to something positive like it deserves, can we get the Poll on the side of TL removed, or reset?
On September 03 2010 23:47 HubertFelix wrote: Are you working for gomtv?
No I am not. I am just a player in their tournament that they've shown great hospitality to (which I'll touch on my experiences in that regard after the event is over for me) and someone who really cares about the growth of e-sports. I have no investment in GomTV, and their success or failure will not affect me any more than it affects any of you, so know that everything I said here is 100% the truth as I know it with no agenda other than trying to support what I see as a potentially awesome event.
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Ty gomtv
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Torch, I can't even begin to say how much it means to the community that you would sacrifice practicing for the event to put in all this research on our behalf. Thanks!
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Agreed. Thx for making this post over the other one.
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Thanks TorcH and GOMTV!! GomTV obviously cares about the foreigner community and are trying their best to appease us, with constructive feedback we can make GSL even better!
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Ty GomTV, ty TL and ty Torch for this post and your work for the community.
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Good stuff, TorcH. Thx for your efforts and good luck in the tournament. One thing baffles me a bit:
Why didn't GOM via any of their representatives just went out and said that in the first place, being:
Due to a number of internal reasons Gretech (GOM), unfortunately, aren't able to provide a free high quality add-free stream at this very moment. The company, however, is fully committed to this goal, as well as promoting StarCraft II as the next generation e-sports game and franchise, bringing the fans all new and exciting, unprecedented even, experience when it comes to participating and observing e-sports.
For the first GSL tournament, the following customer packages (options) are available: Gratuit: A free 300k live stream with English commentary by... Premium: At the modest price of $20 - a high quality 500k stream with English commentary by... and all the VODs from the tournament accessible at any time within the duration of the tournament.
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TorcH!! It was a good move by gom but not a great move, VODs are still a problem but will most likely be able to torrent those:p
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Thanks TorcH. and I agree, a poll reset would make a lot of sense.
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Is there a smiley that has happy but cautious face? I'd totally post that right now
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good read torch! GL on GSL, and thanks for the info!
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So will they allow re-streaming?
That won't break their backs plus everyone gets what they want for free.
Also will they allow Youtube postings? That'll put a less stress on VOD bandwidth.
Well, will they?
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TL Fighting! Another one bites the dust 8D
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Torch,
Thank you so much, and my faith has been restored in Gom. I hope they do reset the poll, or create a new one as I now plan to purchase season 1, where I was not before.
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Your are the Torch of Hope!
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Hear, hear.
Thanks for taking the time to write that, Torch. And GL fighting!
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Thanks so much Torch for the information and for helping put things into perspective.
I'm really looking forward to seeing the games!
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GOM should hire some foreigners to work for them :D gogo esports~
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Just steal MLG's sponsors. I never watched an MLG broadcast until the most recent one and found it endlessly hilarious how catered to the 'gamer' crowd it was with hot pockets, soap and mountain dew commercials.
Anyways this is good insight, thanks Torch. Though I'm sure many of the decisions to make a free stream + reasonable HQ pricing was because they got like 13 customers with the old package price.
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So basically the whole pricing fiasco was because they had very limited time to setup the tournament and that they had to rush it and thus some stuff got screwed up. Makes sense.
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On September 03 2010 23:31 gaggar wrote: So will they allow re-streaming?
That won't break their backs plus everyone gets what they want for free.
Also will they allow Youtube postings? That'll put a less stress on VOD bandwidth.
Well, will they?
GSL is still copyrighted material so I would assume re-streaming is illegal. If there is something that you want and are not getting, create a post about it with logical options to make what you want possible and get 1000+ comments.
I would highly encourage everyone to pursue legal methods in order to get what they want to help ensure the positive evolution and growth of GSL/e-Sports.
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On September 03 2010 23:15 TorcH wrote: A fully free, ad-supported, true-HD stream is the goal Good to know, thank you. Hope they get bigger sponsors soon.
p.s. Also, gl Torch, and the other foreigners. I'm afraid the reactions towards GOM and GSL have been taken personally as reactions towards your success in this great league, which wasn't the case.
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On September 03 2010 23:19 theqat wrote: Torch, I can't even begin to say how much it means to the community that you would sacrifice practicing for the event to put in all this research on our behalf. Thanks!
signed / Thanks alot
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I will be waking up and watching this now that I can watch it for free.
If I find value in what I watch, then I will most likely be upgrading for the 2 remaining seasons this year and all of 2011.
Thank you GOMtv for providing a free stream. I am very happy now and pleased with your decision
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torch community hero
gom not that evil
TL wins again
great news 5 mins after getting out of bed ~
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I'll probably pay the stream thanks to torch !
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TorcH, thnx for all the effort you put into this, and also for this insightful post! Good luck in the tournament! I (and I'm guessing most of TL) am glad that I'll now be able to watch and root for you and all the other foreigners competing!
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TorcH, have I ever mentioned on vent that I fuckin' love you?
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Are you working for gomtv?
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Lol, I knew something was up when my bandwidth was over 2k <3
Ty TorcH, TL and GOM!
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On September 03 2010 23:47 HubertFelix wrote: Are you working for gomtv?
No, because then we could dismiss this as merely a post from a shill.
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On September 03 2010 23:41 TorcH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 23:31 gaggar wrote: So will they allow re-streaming?
That won't break their backs plus everyone gets what they want for free.
Also will they allow Youtube postings? That'll put a less stress on VOD bandwidth.
Well, will they? GSL is still copyrighted material so I would assume re-streaming is illegal. If there is something that you want and are not getting, create a post about it with logical options to make what you want possible and get 1000+ comments. I would highly encourage everyone to pursue legal methods in order to get what they want to help ensure the positive evolution and growth of GSL/e-Sports.
I don't see why a sarcasm would be necessary but I'm just trying to see how this will work out for foreign viewers. I wouldn't care otherwise because I'm a Korean in Korea and I get to see these stuff for free, first hand.
You know, foreign audiences in this fragile sports is still very few in numbers. It's nowhere near even less-popular sports like Curling outside of Korea. If Gretech really wanted to expand their market beyond the peninsula, this is a terrible first move. If they allowed re-streams, at the very least, it would be a huge boost to the scene.
GSL is still copyrighted material so I would assume re-streaming is illegal.
So are OSL and MSL. That never stopped Nevake and Jon's youtube accounts, and various streamers on this website.
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Wow, that was a shaky the-day-before-greatest-sc-tournament!!!!!
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This thread made this Friday just a little bit better. Nice!
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Awesome, I am officially hyped again!
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Thanks, TorcH. This is great news.
I'm glad to see you putting in so much effort despite the games you should be practicing for. Best of luck with your matches!
You have restored my faith in GOM once again.
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torch you're one of my favorite sc2 players
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Thanks, TorcH. I don't think a lot of people understand how this stuff works. Hopefully, this will quiet some of the ridiculous and unwarranted outcry.
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On September 03 2010 23:41 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 23:15 TorcH wrote: A fully free, ad-supported, true-HD stream is the goal Good to know, thank you. Hope they get bigger sponsors soon. p.s. Also, gl Torch, and the other foreigners. I'm afraid the reactions towards GOM and GSL have been taken personally as reactions towards your success in this great league, which wasn't the case.
...Of course that's the goal.
Would it make sense if they said, "A $500 dollar/game, ad supported, 360p stream is the goal"?
I don't think so.
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On September 03 2010 23:49 gaggar wrote: I don't see why a sarcasm would be necessary but I'm just trying to see how this will work out for foreign viewers. I wouldn't care otherwise because I'm a Korean in Korea and I get to see these stuff for free, first hand.
You know, foreign audiences in this fragile sports is still very few in numbers. It's nowhere near even less-popular sports like Curling outside of Korea. If Gretech really wanted to expand their market beyond the peninsula, this is a terrible first move. If they allowed re-streams, at the very least, it would be a huge boost to the scene. I don't think that that was sarcastic at all. He's just saying that you should make a new thread about it on GOM's website and have people respond, rather than posting about it here. Obviously 1000+ comments is not realistic but he probably just wrote a random number.
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On September 03 2010 23:49 gaggar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 23:41 TorcH wrote:On September 03 2010 23:31 gaggar wrote: So will they allow re-streaming?
That won't break their backs plus everyone gets what they want for free.
Also will they allow Youtube postings? That'll put a less stress on VOD bandwidth.
Well, will they? GSL is still copyrighted material so I would assume re-streaming is illegal. If there is something that you want and are not getting, create a post about it with logical options to make what you want possible and get 1000+ comments. I would highly encourage everyone to pursue legal methods in order to get what they want to help ensure the positive evolution and growth of GSL/e-Sports. I don't see why a sarcasm would be necessary but I'm just trying to see how this will work out for foreign viewers. I wouldn't care otherwise because I'm a Korean in Korea and I get to see these stuff for free, first hand. You know, foreign audiences in this fragile sports is still very few in numbers. It's nowhere near even less-popular sports like Curling outside of Korea. If Gretech really wanted to expand their market beyond the peninsula, this is a terrible first move. If they allowed re-streams, at the very least, it would be a huge boost to the scene. Show nested quote +GSL is still copyrighted material so I would assume re-streaming is illegal. So are OSL and MSL. That never stopped Nevake and Jon's youtube accounts, and various streamers on this website.
He's just saying that re-streaming is illegal. It doesn't and won't stop people from doing it, but it won't be supporting GOM and what they are doing for Esports if everyone starts restreaming.
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On September 03 2010 23:49 gaggar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 23:41 TorcH wrote:On September 03 2010 23:31 gaggar wrote: So will they allow re-streaming?
That won't break their backs plus everyone gets what they want for free.
Also will they allow Youtube postings? That'll put a less stress on VOD bandwidth.
Well, will they? GSL is still copyrighted material so I would assume re-streaming is illegal. If there is something that you want and are not getting, create a post about it with logical options to make what you want possible and get 1000+ comments. I would highly encourage everyone to pursue legal methods in order to get what they want to help ensure the positive evolution and growth of GSL/e-Sports. I don't see why a sarcasm would be necessary but I'm just trying to see how this will work out for foreign viewers. I wouldn't care otherwise because I'm a Korean in Korea and I get to see these stuff for free, first hand. You know, foreign audiences in this fragile sports is still very few in numbers. It's nowhere near even less-popular sports like Curling outside of Korea. If Gretech really wanted to expand their market beyond the peninsula, this is a terrible first move. If they allowed re-streams, at the very least, it would be a huge boost to the scene. Show nested quote +GSL is still copyrighted material so I would assume re-streaming is illegal. So are OSL and MSL. That never stopped Nevake and Jon's youtube accounts, and various streamers on this website.
Sorry Gaggar, that was not meant to be sarcastic. I was merely trying to draw a parallel to this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=149242¤tpage=81.
The message I was trying to get across is that unlike OGN/MBC, GomTV wants to cater to the foreign audience as much as the Korean one and re-streaming won't help them do that. If there is something that a re-stream would provide that the legit stream doesn't, then we should work to make the legit stream possess that missing factor. Providing honest and frequent feedback will help to do this and that is what I'm urging people to do.
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Wow nice ! Guess I'll be drinking early coffee after all.
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On September 03 2010 23:44 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: torch community hero
gom not that evil
TL wins again
great news 5 mins after getting out of bed ~
That was exactly my thought when i woke up an read it while drinking my morning coffee :D
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obvious door-in-the-face strategy by gomtv
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On September 03 2010 23:55 APurpleCow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 23:41 figq wrote:On September 03 2010 23:15 TorcH wrote: A fully free, ad-supported, true-HD stream is the goal Good to know, thank you. Hope they get bigger sponsors soon. p.s. Also, gl Torch, and the other foreigners. I'm afraid the reactions towards GOM and GSL have been taken personally as reactions towards your success in this great league, which wasn't the case. ...Of course that's the goal. Would it make sense if they said, "A $500 dollar/game, ad supported, 360p stream is the goal"? I don't think so. It would make sense if they said their goal was to provide mediocre quality for free, and always reserve their best quality for paid premium. Regards.
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On September 03 2010 23:15 TorcH wrote: From the beginning, the PPV method was never a money-making scheme and GomTV should not be compared to Kespa/OGN/MBC for any reason (good or bad). They are trying to learn from the mistakes of their counterparts, but also adopt the successful attributes as they can. What Junkka (GomTV rep and very manner fellow) has stated in his posts about the cost going to cover the stream itself is very true. It was simply because they were not aware of any alternatives at the time. We all know it was not the wisest or most researched decision to make, but they now have other options which they are pursuing in order to do what is best for the community as a whole. It is not because they “tried to squeeze e-sports dry” (or any other similar ideas) and failed, but because, as Junkka said, they are extremely understaffed while still trying to run one of the largest (and hopefully one of the best) e-Sports events in history. This makes me wonder why there were no alternatives at the time. If they are unorganized, understaffed or don't have a plan, then why is that? Do you know why they commit so little resources to this in comparison to the huge prize pool?
Also, don’t necessarily expect anything official to come out for a little while, they are still working to provide an even better solution then what we are seeing now and may not want to make a statement they would once again have to retract. They recognize that while the additional US servers they are providing will help tremendously (as can be seen by the “Bandwidth Check” differences between yesterday and today), there is still a long way to go before everyone can receive ideal coverage of the event.
Well, let's hope they can come up with something nice.
Addressing a few common comments in the various threads: 4. A fully, free, ad-supported, true-HD stream is the goal, but keep in mind this is EXTREMELY short notice to run a tournament of this scale on *repeat* a very understaffed team. Saying things like “they should just get sponsors, it’d pay for itself” is completely known to them, but you have to have a marketing team already set and able to present your product to *foreign* (most employees speak no, or very little, English) companies that may have never heard of E-Sports before. This scares me a little. Not only are they apparently understaffed but to me it seems that they don't even have a business plan or model if there's no marketing team? If they are doing everything on the fly, I hope that there won't be any difficulties with the tournament or the streams because this could potentially be disastrous.
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Good to hear all the details. Would have been cool if an actuall GOM Rep would have done it, but I am still glad that they are trying to be open. They just need to update their site, so that I can get the package now^^
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thanks 4 a little insight
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+1 !!!
Awesome, another foreign competitor in the comp who i really feel LOVES the SC2 esports...
Another name to watch as the comp goes on.. GOOD LUCK TORCH!! thank you for this post!
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wooooo I felt bad for voting "maybe" before reading anything and checking details like prices but I don't anymore.
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On September 04 2010 00:00 some_noob wrote: obvious door-in-the-face strategy by gomtv Then don't watch, cynic.
Thanks Torch for the writeup and the explanations.
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TorcH is a one badass dude
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The reality is that without restreaming I'm 100% certain their lowHQ stream is going to crash. We should probably pre-empt this problem and try to watch restreams as much as possible, especially considering it seems they aren't concerned about ad revenue.
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Well done TorcH, I get the feeling GOM are being a bit overwhelmed by how eager the foreign scene is to get on board, and weren't expecting quite so many people to be quite so passionate. Glad to hear they've gone for a free stream, at the very least they can (hopefully) show viewer figures to foreign sponsors in the future and use that as a resource saying "Yes, you will get exposure if you sponsor us."
You came out of nowhere and are making a great impression, hope you do really well in the tournament
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Thank you TorcH, for taking your time in setting things straight. I hope one day GomTV would hire people like you so there would be no major blunder next time.
Good luck with the tournament
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On September 03 2010 23:34 azndsh wrote: GOM should hire some foreigners to work for them :D gogo esports~ Dont artosis and tasteless already work for them? (not meant as a bash, but more as a insight of, hey maybe they should take them into the fold and not just use them for casters, use them for English speaking and understanding people) I think this is going to be a good thing, and I am still considering a VOD ticket. I do NOT think they should be all on youtube (untill each season is over) they gave you the option to watch it live for free, allow the VOD people to view it when ever and when the seasons over put them up on youtube, I think that is fair and still a biz model that will make buying the VOD ticket worth it.
EDIT: +1 for Torch in this, he helped 10,000's of people and the new one that will be able to get into the eSports.
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I'm sorry for implying that GOM might be using dishonest business methods and I feel very reassured byt TorcH's post (who btw is a saint). I'm absolutely shelling out money for the hq stream + VODs now.
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Thanks for making this post TorcH. When I saw the title with "concede" in it I was a little disgusted. I'm one of the rare few that are getting the premium stream either way. I found it astonishing that so many people were making claims that they were working their lives around and/or daily activities to watch this event yet when asked to pay for it they found the idea absurd. Of course, saying that, I would like to pay less or even nothing (who wouldn't) and despite being prepared to pay myself I don't believe others should have to suffer, and by others I mean students and people who really can't afford it. But most of us have grown up playing StarCraft and Brood War as kids and by now should have jobs.
Anyway, the community have given GomTV their feedback and they have reacted very quickly, which is a really positive indicator that GomTV have fans and e-sports in mind when making decisions and don't hesitate to correct mistakes.
It was a bit of a faulty start but their reaction is reassuring and the future at this point seems promising.
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same here jalle i think a lot of people will do.
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^ Tasteless and Artosis are only lowly commentators and don't actually take part in the business, according to a few Artosis VODs.
And thanks for this post TorcH, goodluck in the GSL!
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Thanks for clearing things up for us, Torch. It is good to hear some good news about the event from someone who is actually there, so we can trust they know what they are talking about. I very much look forward to watching this even.t
Best of luck to you in your matches.
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On September 04 2010 00:17 bnanaPEEL wrote: ^ Tasteless and Artosis are only lowly commentators and don't actually take part in the business, according to a few Artosis VODs.
And thanks for this post TorcH, goodluck in the GSL! Thats why the call too, use them, they wont mind I am sure, bring them into the fold there, make them a bigger part. If they want a good voice of the pulse out side korea on this I couldent think of better people to start with.
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Thanks GOMTV this is great news I'm glad that you are listening to the community I will defnitely buy premium tickets for the next seasons to come.
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On September 04 2010 00:00 some_noob wrote: obvious door-in-the-face strategy by gomtv
I conceed that this might be true, however does that really matter? Ultimately you have to decide whether or not $20 is a fair price. Considering other similar venues were $10 for a weekend long event, then I say absolutely yes, it is worth it.
You can sit there and be mad about a theoretical attempt to manipulate you and miss this event if you want, but I think you are simply missing out.
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Why are they starting so big if they are so understaffed and lacking of knowledge?
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On September 04 2010 00:21 f0rk wrote: Why are they starting so big if they are so understaffed and lacking of knowledge? Presumably Blizzard just gave them prize money and not a staff to go with it.
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On September 04 2010 00:21 f0rk wrote: Why are they starting so big if they are so understaffed and lacking of knowledge?
Maybe they don't want to wait 10 years for sc2 to take off
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It's true, they are starting the biggest event ever, not being well-prepared, but HEY! I still hope we WILL enjoy it!!
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When TorcH is done in Korea, all the Koreans gonna be dying their hair red. I'm calling it now.
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TorcH, you are as wise as you are handsome.
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thanks alot for this post, it help us see what is really gomtv, a great company.
i suggest people to pay the 20$ because it will help them alot and also help the players, after all we pay but in return we get to see our favourite players in action and be happy to see them win some money since pro-gaming scene are not strong income!
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Really happy they got new servers, low quality stream is not good, but watchable (Hd is too laggy ) but I'm happy.
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i suggest people to pay the 20$ because it will help them alot and also help the players, after all we pay but in return we get to see our favourite players in action and be happy to see them win some money since pro-gaming scene are not strong income!
Exactly. A) They are being responsive to the 'community' and b) they are paying members of the community to be over there to play (if they place ), and guys like tasteless and artosis to cast on the games.
If we are serious about SC2 becoming a successful e-sport we need to put some money where our collective mouths are. Money is important to e-sport and we need to part with some if we want it to grow.
The previous plan was a bit excessive, the 20/30 package. But GOM have now compromised and given us a better deal. I will, and I think others should too, show them support by parting with some (a tiny amount) cash.
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I hope nobody restreams the HQ stream as this is gonna be a huge slap to the face of GOM.
We already have a free stream, lets support the GSL fully!
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On September 04 2010 00:41 drew-chan wrote: I hope nobody restreams the HQ stream as this is gonna be a huge slap to the face of GOM.
We already have a free stream, lets support the GSL fully!
People will do it sadly. All we can do as a community is slap down anyone we know is doing it. Self-regulation can be effective.
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I love you Torch.
Thanks for all of the info.
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Thank you very much Torch and thanks to the community =)
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I'm not buying it at all. If they said it wasn't a money making scheme and it was only used to cover the stream costs they wouldn't charge 50 dollars for live+vods. To stream across the world it'll cost them anywhere from 4 cents to 8 cents an hour. Assuming they give 3 hours of content a night, thats 24 cents per person, so they'd have to be giving over 170 hours of content at the highest price (8 cents an hour) even though we know they're not paying 8 cents an hour since their quality is 250 kb/s. All in all, if they planned ot have zero free stream and only a 50 dollar pay stream as the option for foreigners.
Theyw anted to make money otherwise they would have charged something like 3 bucks for the month to recover costs.
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only thing missing now to make it perfect is LQ vods on youtube/blip whatever which i can show others. would be enough if they upload a selected few series of each week/day so people still gotta pay for the full vod access.
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Good stuff. Thanks for the update, Torch.
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Currently you can't buy any of the tickets on the gomtv.net site. I hope they fix it quickly as I want to watch the opening games!
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I'd buy something it they dropped the vod price a bit. 20$? pretty plz?
30$ just seems a bit too hefty, money being tight as it is.
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Someone sign me up to the Torch fan club already.
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On September 04 2010 00:51 Half wrote: I'd buy something it they dropped the vod price a bit. 20$? pretty plz?
30$ just seems a bit too hefty, money being tight as it is.
Read the GSL thread, today they decided to change the premium package to $19.99 which gives you access to the HQ live stream and all vods for this season. In addition they will be offering a free low quality stream to everyone.
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Did the Bandwidth check today and I've gone from 266 to 2666. That's either quite an improvement or they were cutting one digit off yesterday.
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Oh, so now we should be thankful that the we get free low quality stream? Really?
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GOM fixed their Bandwidth check as well lol
IdrA fighting!
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One can hope for a great event in one of darkest moments
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On September 04 2010 00:55 Pudge_172 wrote: Did the Bandwidth check today and I've gone from 266 to 2666. That's either quite an improvement or they were cutting one digit off yesterday. They were reporting your KB/s instead of Kbps, but presenting it as Kbps. So yeah, they were about x8 off. It's not that the servers have been upgraded, it's just correctly reporting your real speed now.
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On September 04 2010 00:54 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 00:51 Half wrote: I'd buy something it they dropped the vod price a bit. 20$? pretty plz?
30$ just seems a bit too hefty, money being tight as it is. Read the GSL thread, today they decided to change the premium package to $19.99 which gives you access to the HQ live stream and all vods for this season. In addition they will be offering a free low quality stream to everyone. wow.
then /support.
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On September 04 2010 00:57 mdb wrote: Oh, so now we should be thankful that the we get free low quality stream? Really?
Absolutely, yes.
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Going to get this for sure now. Can't wait for it tomorrow morning!
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This is indeed good news, and I will have no problem with paying for this package
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Gonna buy premium anyways. Support esport!
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On September 04 2010 00:57 mdb wrote: Oh, so now we should be thankful that the we get free low quality stream? Really?
So don't thank them. If we want to give thanks, we'll give thanks. If us giving thanks means we have a chance of getting better stuff in the future from them, then I for one will give a hell of of thanks..
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Someone edit the Liquipedia II!!
Something along the lines of how the very sexy nature of TorcH led to more awesomeness..
That and GOMtv being a total baller!
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On September 04 2010 00:46 ZlaSHeR wrote: I'm not buying it at all. If they said it wasn't a money making scheme and it was only used to cover the stream costs they wouldn't charge 50 dollars for live+vods. To stream across the world it'll cost them anywhere from 4 cents to 8 cents an hour. Assuming they give 3 hours of content a night, thats 24 cents per person, so they'd have to be giving over 170 hours of content at the highest price (8 cents an hour) even though we know they're not paying 8 cents an hour since their quality is 250 kb/s. All in all, if they planned ot have zero free stream and only a 50 dollar pay stream as the option for foreigners.
Theyw anted to make money otherwise they would have charged something like 3 bucks for the month to recover costs.
You're forgetting the salaries of Tasteless and Artosis and the extra work to manage their workplace and stream.
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Phew, it turns out that GOM actually does care, and is not some evil corporation bent on sucking the money from its fans. What a relief. ^^;
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On September 04 2010 01:03 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 00:57 mdb wrote: Oh, so now we should be thankful that the we get free low quality stream? Really? So don't thank them. If we want to give thanks, we'll give thanks. If us giving thanks means we have a chance of getting better stuff in the future from them, then I for one will give a hell of of thanks.. I don't know, I'd think they'd have to work to get customers and viewers instead of users trying to give their praise to encourage them.
They could broadcast SC2 in the same quality they're running on Ustream for free. I figured Blizzard would be paying GomTV to advertise their game on a massive scale; potentially.
I might sympathize and praise GOM if the normal stream was 480p quality and the premium was 720p. But the stream qualities are both too low to be taken seriously.
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Not buying it either, but at the same time they can't just come up to us and say "listen we just got too greedy, my bad". It was a mistake and everyone knows it, I forgive them but won't forget . On the up side let's give it up to Torch for being seemingly so involved in solving the issue and also GomTV, their retraction might have restored SC2 hopes in becoming one of the big dogs in the young e-sport scene. I personally just can't help myself but feel inclined to pay for their premium service now, I am just a sucker for this game!
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Words don't mean shit. If what you're saying actually does have any meaning then I hope to see some actual actions that benefits fans in the future, instead of just throwing out blind selfish ideas without even thinking about how fans would react in the future.
Nice stream quality btw what a great way to show off those sc2 graphics
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nice post. I am happy to see that GOMtv offers a free stream like they did with sc1. sweet :D
ty to GOM and ty to TorcH for giving out some good information. gl btw
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NOW GO TORCH AND DELIVER SWIFT MOBILE GAMING DEATH TO THOSE WHO WILL OPPOSE THINE WRATH on a serious note, you have earned a fan today and i hope to see you amongst the top 10.
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On September 04 2010 01:12 Milkis wrote: Words don't mean shit. If what you're saying actually does have any meaning then I hope to see some actual actions that benefits fans in the future, instead of just throwing out blind selfish ideas without even thinking about how fans would react in the future.
Nice stream quality btw what a great way to show off those sc2 graphics
Pretty much sums up what i thought about the whole thing
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On September 04 2010 00:46 ZlaSHeR wrote: I'm not buying it at all. If they said it wasn't a money making scheme and it was only used to cover the stream costs they wouldn't charge 50 dollars for live+vods. To stream across the world it'll cost them anywhere from 4 cents to 8 cents an hour. Assuming they give 3 hours of content a night, thats 24 cents per person, so they'd have to be giving over 170 hours of content at the highest price (8 cents an hour) even though we know they're not paying 8 cents an hour since their quality is 250 kb/s. All in all, if they planned ot have zero free stream and only a 50 dollar pay stream as the option for foreigners.
Theyw anted to make money otherwise they would have charged something like 3 bucks for the month to recover costs. Bandwidth alone doesn't a stream make. Perhaps when they are talking about covering the costs they are talking about using that money to pay Artosis/Tastless, or the people that have to work on/with the stream servers, administrative costs related to streaming. I'm not saying it's a good idea to do that, but it's just one of many possibilities. You may be right in the end, but I can give them benefit of the doubt on this occasion especially because we will probably never know all the real costs for sure.
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Nice post, ty Torch and ty gomtv
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I'm about to explode from excitement!11!!
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On September 04 2010 01:12 Milkis wrote: Words don't mean shit. If what you're saying actually does have any meaning then I hope to see some actual actions that benefits fans in the future, instead of just throwing out blind selfish ideas without even thinking about how fans would react in the future.
Nice stream quality btw what a great way to show off those sc2 graphics
I believe changing the low quality stream to free counts as an action. I think changing the price to $20 to include the higher quality stream as well as VODS counts as an action. Do these 2 changes not benefit fans directly and immediately?
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I'm happy to hear that they lowered their price, but I do have few concerns. The only free service is the low quality live stream. The matches are scheduled to start at 7pm for the opening day, and 6pm for the remaining round of 64. If I can do some simple math correctly, that's 6AM and 5AM EST, 3AM and 2AM PST, and 11AM and 10AM CET. Remember that all the matches except for the opening day are on weekdays. At least for me, free live stream is completely useless. As for video quality, 250k and 500k are extremely low (500k is hardly high quality). I'm seriously considering purchasing the premium ticket, but I worry that video quality will not be worth the money. For sc1, low video quality didn't matter as much, but from watching several videos on various sites, including GomTV sc2 videos on their korean site, it makes a huge difference. May be I'm complaining because of afreeca streams I watched while I was in Korea and all the HD commentaries on youtube. I'm really glad that Gretech is working to make their product more available to foreign esports fans. I'm well aware that Gretech is not as big or well established as Ongamenet or MBCgame, but it looks like they are working hard to improve. It would've been better if they can offer completely free service for the first season so that foreign fans can see what kind of services they are dealing with before they purchase it for the subsequent seasons, but that's probably selfish me trying not to cough up the money for the service. I'll have to think this over for next few days (I guess I'll miss the opening day matches) before I make up my mind. Thank you TorcH for the post and I wish you the best of luck at GSL.
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I really wish people would just chill and mellow out. Like, when the announcement was first made start a thread on GOM website with logical points instead of raging on TL. Or now, maintain a cautious-but-reasonable attitude instead of conspiracy theories. I don't know if it's the whole thing with Brood War or it's really hot outside or what, but people are losing their heads.
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On September 04 2010 01:12 Milkis wrote: Words don't mean shit. If what you're saying actually does have any meaning then I hope to see some actual actions that benefits fans in the future, instead of just throwing out blind selfish ideas without even thinking about how fans would react in the future.
Nice stream quality btw what a great way to show off those sc2 graphics
it´s for free now. if you dont like it, don´t watch it.
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I'd definitely pay $20 for these VoD's. I'm very excited for the news and hope for even better opportunities in the future. I'd gladly support community endeavors I believe in because the returns on that investment will be paid to all of us in the form of more frequent, higher quality, and overall better competition to watch all over the world.
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On September 04 2010 01:30 GogoKodo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 01:12 Milkis wrote: Words don't mean shit. If what you're saying actually does have any meaning then I hope to see some actual actions that benefits fans in the future, instead of just throwing out blind selfish ideas without even thinking about how fans would react in the future.
Nice stream quality btw what a great way to show off those sc2 graphics
I believe changing the low quality stream to free counts as an action. I think changing the price to $20 to include the higher quality stream as well as VODS counts as an action. Do these 2 changes not benefit fans directly and immediately?
Action AFTER fans bitched moaned and complained and AFTER showign that like 80% have no intention of paying?
I don't care about "after" the fact changes. If you're gonna wait until problems occur and then fix it you're no better than KeSPA. I want to see initial actions that show "well how will the fans react to this", not coverup actions that does that.
Gretech is still on the same level as KeSPA really
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They finally fixed their bandwidth check also.
Woot! HD stream here I come.
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On September 04 2010 01:37 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 01:30 GogoKodo wrote:On September 04 2010 01:12 Milkis wrote: Words don't mean shit. If what you're saying actually does have any meaning then I hope to see some actual actions that benefits fans in the future, instead of just throwing out blind selfish ideas without even thinking about how fans would react in the future.
Nice stream quality btw what a great way to show off those sc2 graphics
I believe changing the low quality stream to free counts as an action. I think changing the price to $20 to include the higher quality stream as well as VODS counts as an action. Do these 2 changes not benefit fans directly and immediately? Action AFTER fans bitched moaned and complained and AFTER showign that like 80% have no intention of paying? I don't care about "after" the fact changes. If you're gonna wait until problems occur and then fix it you're no better than KeSPA. I want to see initial actions that show "well how will the fans react to this", not coverup actions that does that. Gretech is still on the same level as KeSPA really
Kespa never listened to us at all. This is defiantly an improvement. Seriously, kespa had no idea there even were non-korean fans, or didn't care. The fact that your this ungrateful is sad. They could have ignored us and left it the way it was.
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On September 04 2010 01:37 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 01:30 GogoKodo wrote:On September 04 2010 01:12 Milkis wrote: Words don't mean shit. If what you're saying actually does have any meaning then I hope to see some actual actions that benefits fans in the future, instead of just throwing out blind selfish ideas without even thinking about how fans would react in the future.
Nice stream quality btw what a great way to show off those sc2 graphics
I believe changing the low quality stream to free counts as an action. I think changing the price to $20 to include the higher quality stream as well as VODS counts as an action. Do these 2 changes not benefit fans directly and immediately? Action AFTER fans bitched moaned and complained and AFTER showign that like 80% have no intention of paying? I don't care about "after" the fact changes. If you're gonna wait until problems occur and then fix it you're no better than KeSPA. I want to see initial actions that show "well how will the fans react to this", not coverup actions that does that. Gretech is still on the same level as KeSPA really
SC2 is a whole new ball game for Gom. I agree that Gom needs to show us some real improvements in the future (no lag on stream, better quality stream, free vods) but give them a few months. A lot of that stuff is easier said than done.
That said, in a few months if we still haven't seen any improvements, bring out the pitchforks and call them kespa
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On September 04 2010 01:26 GogoKodo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 00:46 ZlaSHeR wrote: I'm not buying it at all. If they said it wasn't a money making scheme and it was only used to cover the stream costs they wouldn't charge 50 dollars for live+vods. To stream across the world it'll cost them anywhere from 4 cents to 8 cents an hour. Assuming they give 3 hours of content a night, thats 24 cents per person, so they'd have to be giving over 170 hours of content at the highest price (8 cents an hour) even though we know they're not paying 8 cents an hour since their quality is 250 kb/s. All in all, if they planned ot have zero free stream and only a 50 dollar pay stream as the option for foreigners.
Theyw anted to make money otherwise they would have charged something like 3 bucks for the month to recover costs. Bandwidth alone doesn't a stream make. Perhaps when they are talking about covering the costs they are talking about using that money to pay Artosis/Tastless, or the people that have to work on/with the stream servers, administrative costs related to streaming. I'm not saying it's a good idea to do that, but it's just one of many possibilities. You may be right in the end, but I can give them benefit of the doubt on this occasion especially because we will probably never know all the real costs for sure. Not even considering that they probably want to make some money off the tournament. Most guys here in the forums forget that Gom is a company that wants to make money. I remember day9 talking about his King of the Hill tournament and all the work related to that. I don't even want to know all the stuff happening around a tournament with offline prelims etc.
I gotta give big thanks to Gom for lowering the Price though. Even though I'm hoping that they'll upgrade both the quality of the free and premium stream in the future, I'll definately order the updated version for 20 bucks
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On September 04 2010 01:40 Zonel wrote:They finally fixed their bandwidth check also. Woot! HD stream here I come. Yeah bandwidth is 30x times better than yesterday 8)
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As long as i can see whats happening in game, and hear Tasteless/Artosis casting i am happy. I dont know how we went from hanging onto every little tiny screenshot or blue post like it was sacred gold pre-beta to crying about how the world is ending because we dont get to see idras face in 1080p for free, but its a real insight into how the human mind works.
I dont consider room for improvement as being bad service.
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On September 04 2010 01:40 stormtemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 01:37 Milkis wrote:On September 04 2010 01:30 GogoKodo wrote:On September 04 2010 01:12 Milkis wrote: Words don't mean shit. If what you're saying actually does have any meaning then I hope to see some actual actions that benefits fans in the future, instead of just throwing out blind selfish ideas without even thinking about how fans would react in the future.
Nice stream quality btw what a great way to show off those sc2 graphics
I believe changing the low quality stream to free counts as an action. I think changing the price to $20 to include the higher quality stream as well as VODS counts as an action. Do these 2 changes not benefit fans directly and immediately? Action AFTER fans bitched moaned and complained and AFTER showign that like 80% have no intention of paying? I don't care about "after" the fact changes. If you're gonna wait until problems occur and then fix it you're no better than KeSPA. I want to see initial actions that show "well how will the fans react to this", not coverup actions that does that. Gretech is still on the same level as KeSPA really Kespa never listened to us at all. This is defiantly an improvement. Seriously, kespa had no idea there even were non-korean fans, or didn't care. The fact that your this ungrateful is sad. They could have ignored us and left it the way it was.
there's no way they could have "ignored" you guys, cause they're trying to make money off of you guys and you guys pretty much said you guys won't buy.
KeSPA isn't great at listening, and obviously they're not going to listen to foreign fans because there's nothing at stake for them, although they apparently do know TL exists and follows it to an extent (Check TL's twitter -- KeSPA follows it). Saying "KeSPA never listened to us!!!!" is kinda worthless since they have no reason to, unlike GOM. KeSPA did make changes to their shit "after the fact" and netizen complaints, just like GOM.
What's the difference other than you now feeling you're more empowered?
"ungrateful"? call it what you want, I'm just a skeptic.
Also why would I pay for such a pissy poor service when I can get HQ Korean VODs for free? lol
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On September 04 2010 01:44 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 01:40 stormtemplar wrote:On September 04 2010 01:37 Milkis wrote:On September 04 2010 01:30 GogoKodo wrote:On September 04 2010 01:12 Milkis wrote: Words don't mean shit. If what you're saying actually does have any meaning then I hope to see some actual actions that benefits fans in the future, instead of just throwing out blind selfish ideas without even thinking about how fans would react in the future.
Nice stream quality btw what a great way to show off those sc2 graphics
I believe changing the low quality stream to free counts as an action. I think changing the price to $20 to include the higher quality stream as well as VODS counts as an action. Do these 2 changes not benefit fans directly and immediately? Action AFTER fans bitched moaned and complained and AFTER showign that like 80% have no intention of paying? I don't care about "after" the fact changes. If you're gonna wait until problems occur and then fix it you're no better than KeSPA. I want to see initial actions that show "well how will the fans react to this", not coverup actions that does that. Gretech is still on the same level as KeSPA really Kespa never listened to us at all. This is defiantly an improvement. Seriously, kespa had no idea there even were non-korean fans, or didn't care. The fact that your this ungrateful is sad. They could have ignored us and left it the way it was. there's no way they could have "ignored" you guys, cause they're trying to make money off of you guys and you guys pretty much said you guys won't buy. KeSPA isn't great at listening, and obviously they're not going to listen to foreign fans because there's nothing at stake for them, although they apparently do know TL exists and follows it to an extent (Check TL's twitter -- KeSPA follows it). Saying "KeSPA never listened to us!!!!" is kinda worthless since they have no reason to, unlike GOM. KeSPA did make changes to their shit "after the fact" and netizen complaints, just like GOM. What's the difference other than you now feeling you're more empowered? "ungrateful"? call it what you want, I'm just a skeptic. Also why would I pay for such a pissy poor service when I can get HQ Korean VODs for free? lol
Okay Milkis, you are on a war rampage and just want to throw hate on everything that relates to SC2 and Esports, we get it.
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On September 04 2010 01:45 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 01:37 Milkis wrote:On September 04 2010 01:30 GogoKodo wrote:On September 04 2010 01:12 Milkis wrote: Words don't mean shit. If what you're saying actually does have any meaning then I hope to see some actual actions that benefits fans in the future, instead of just throwing out blind selfish ideas without even thinking about how fans would react in the future.
Nice stream quality btw what a great way to show off those sc2 graphics
I believe changing the low quality stream to free counts as an action. I think changing the price to $20 to include the higher quality stream as well as VODS counts as an action. Do these 2 changes not benefit fans directly and immediately? Action AFTER fans bitched moaned and complained and AFTER showign that like 80% have no intention of paying? I don't care about "after" the fact changes. If you're gonna wait until problems occur and then fix it you're no better than KeSPA. I want to see initial actions that show "well how will the fans react to this", not coverup actions that does that. Gretech is still on the same level as KeSPA really Okay Milkis, you are on a war rampage and just want to throw hate on everything that relates to SC2 and Esports, we get it.
sorry that i want competent companies running the show i guess :3
you can call it hate, i'll call it skepticism and wanting evidence and positive signals before I throw my support for anything
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Sorry I am not buying it. They have provided free lower quality vods for warcraft 3 and starcraft 1 in the recent past and a premium service that was strangely priced at around price it is now being touted as being "reduced to". Also are you really convinced they have no idea of the many and varied ways of providing completely free VODs for the viewing public, at the very least YouTube and UStream? Because I am not convinced at all. The times that the "free" stream will go out just are not convenient for the rest of the world and they know it.
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its a new age, and things cost money. Tournaments are not free, nor is staff and all the back office work.
TorcH for the thread GOMtv.net
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On September 04 2010 01:46 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 01:45 Integra wrote:On September 04 2010 01:37 Milkis wrote:On September 04 2010 01:30 GogoKodo wrote:On September 04 2010 01:12 Milkis wrote: Words don't mean shit. If what you're saying actually does have any meaning then I hope to see some actual actions that benefits fans in the future, instead of just throwing out blind selfish ideas without even thinking about how fans would react in the future.
Nice stream quality btw what a great way to show off those sc2 graphics
I believe changing the low quality stream to free counts as an action. I think changing the price to $20 to include the higher quality stream as well as VODS counts as an action. Do these 2 changes not benefit fans directly and immediately? Action AFTER fans bitched moaned and complained and AFTER showign that like 80% have no intention of paying? I don't care about "after" the fact changes. If you're gonna wait until problems occur and then fix it you're no better than KeSPA. I want to see initial actions that show "well how will the fans react to this", not coverup actions that does that. Gretech is still on the same level as KeSPA really Okay Milkis, you are on a war rampage and just want to throw hate on everything that relates to SC2 and Esports, we get it. sorry that i want competent companies running the show i guess :3 you can call it hate, i'll call it skepticism and wanting evidence and positive signals before I throw my support for anything Your statements in previous threads clearly show that your position is not one of "skepticism," but of outright hostility. Please, argue your opinion, but don't try to pass it off as impartiality.
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You can say they didn't mean for it to be a door in the face move, but it pretty obviously was, regardless of intentions. What surprises me is how enthusiastically everyone is accepting it. You think if this was their first announcement everyone would be fine with VODs (and a decent quality stream) only being available for $20/month? But no, they said "oops sorry guys we didn't know any better" and made a low quality stream free that should have been free all along and all of a sudden everyone's acting like they're a bunch of fucking saints and heroes.
Oh and btw guys LQ stream still isn't free, it cost us all Proleague and MSL.
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On September 04 2010 01:50 zTz wrote:its a new age, and things cost money. Tournaments are not free, nor is staff and all the back office work. TorcH for the thread GOMtv.net Hmm we are in a recession and the European equivalent of GomTV are providing free VODs and lower quality streams along with a HD premium service which will get you a whole year for 30 Euros and they dont just cover Blizzard games.
But yea
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On September 04 2010 01:53 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 01:46 Milkis wrote:On September 04 2010 01:45 Integra wrote:On September 04 2010 01:37 Milkis wrote:On September 04 2010 01:30 GogoKodo wrote:On September 04 2010 01:12 Milkis wrote: Words don't mean shit. If what you're saying actually does have any meaning then I hope to see some actual actions that benefits fans in the future, instead of just throwing out blind selfish ideas without even thinking about how fans would react in the future.
Nice stream quality btw what a great way to show off those sc2 graphics
I believe changing the low quality stream to free counts as an action. I think changing the price to $20 to include the higher quality stream as well as VODS counts as an action. Do these 2 changes not benefit fans directly and immediately? Action AFTER fans bitched moaned and complained and AFTER showign that like 80% have no intention of paying? I don't care about "after" the fact changes. If you're gonna wait until problems occur and then fix it you're no better than KeSPA. I want to see initial actions that show "well how will the fans react to this", not coverup actions that does that. Gretech is still on the same level as KeSPA really Okay Milkis, you are on a war rampage and just want to throw hate on everything that relates to SC2 and Esports, we get it. sorry that i want competent companies running the show i guess :3 you can call it hate, i'll call it skepticism and wanting evidence and positive signals before I throw my support for anything Your statements in previous threads clearly show that your position is not one of "skepticism," but of outright hostility. Please, argue your opinion, but don't try to pass it off as impartiality.
I consider companies based on the signals they send out (ie: actions). Their actions seem rather self centered and money oriented rather than for the fans. Whether or not the "Door in face" technique was intended it's clearly working in terms of this thread.
I don't see what's wrong with being "hostile" to companies sending out terrible signals. If they send out positive signals, then ofc I would be more optimistic and skeptical.
Basically I don't like playing what-ifs and being optimistic without any evidence. Give me evidence (actions) Gretech cares and I'll be more optimistic.
It's quite simple really. But then again everyone is so eager to jump down people's throat as being haters if they say anything bad lol
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It's a good sign, and a start. After playing the test videos I agree the quality is lacking, but given the rather large change they made here, no reason to see that it won't improve all the time.
For instance the SC2 free stream for MLG was rather good, but in the past the WOW free streams have been of horrid quality and you could barely see anything in them in the normal frame, let alone if it's windowed.
As for why they don't use youtube or ustream, I'd suspect it's because they created their Gom.tv player, and want to use that instead. I mean they already paid someone to create, might as well use it.
It is my hope that over time there would be a way for them to provide us a HQ SD stream that is totally ad supported and an HD stream that is a couple extra bucks.
GL GOM.
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Alright, I don't think Torch is shitting us right now. He has a hot girlfriend and is living the dream currently playing SC(2) in Korea right now, so let's get off the man's nuts.
Just because we are used to the devil, aka KESPA, doesn't mean we should assume everyone else is evil. I am willing to bet that the following occurred:
1) GomTV thhought that streaming demand will be higher than ever, thus needing a cost to cover the streaming of quality data across the world. 2) They didn't realize previous methods of streaming would be able to support the higher viewer volume they are expecting. 3) They announced high quality and pricy streams. WHOOPS!
They fixed it. No harm, no foul. We can bitch and bitch, OR we can move on and appreciate how FUCKING AWESOME this tournament will probably be.
Tasteless and Artosis casting the first Korean tournament with a real foreigner presence in forever?!?!?!?!!? BAD ASS.
Thanks, Torch.
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This still fucking sucks. I can't watch the LQ stream because it's at a terrible time, and there's no way I'm paying $20 for an HQ stream I won't watch, and LQ VODs that I'll end up watching half of at most.
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Who the hell is Torch anyway?
"I am Torch, random white guy, let me just do a quick meeting with the CEO of GOMtv which I later will post about on the TL forums with inside information on how GOMTV's business plan is right now, how they will change this and what might come in the future"
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On September 04 2010 02:05 Integra wrote: Who the hell is Torch anyway?
There's a thread specifically for that.
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On September 04 2010 02:02 jalstar wrote: This still fucking sucks. I can't watch the LQ stream because it's at a terrible time, and there's no way I'm paying $20 for an HQ stream I won't watch, and LQ VODs that I'll end up watching half of at most. Enjoy getting pirated GOM. Way to be a dick about it. If you're cheap and and plan on getting free handouts anyway, what's the point of complaining? We all know you'd rather watch the free version than pay even $1 for a HQ ad-less version.
There are people who are generally interested in this stuff and gladly willing to spend $20 for a month of entertainment. These types of ordeals really bring out people's true colors.
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On September 04 2010 02:08 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 02:02 jalstar wrote: This still fucking sucks. I can't watch the LQ stream because it's at a terrible time, and there's no way I'm paying $20 for an HQ stream I won't watch, and LQ VODs that I'll end up watching half of at most. Enjoy getting pirated GOM. Way to be a dick about it. If you're cheap and and plan on getting handouts anyway, what's the point of complaining? We all know you'd rather watch the free version than pay even $1 for a HQ ad-less version.
I can't watch any version of the stream, I just want to watch a few VODs.
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If GOM 'foreigner division' is actually as rushed and inexperienced as they are claiming, I expect that they will not have the time / know-how to stop re-streaming, VODs on youtube, etc. Not that I support us doing that stuff, but I will be watching how they handle it.
Regarding the price change, pretend that they had never made the other announcement in the first place. Their pricing plan is still pretty expensive. I don't know why people are giving them a lot of kudos. I'm not thanking Tide for selling me their laundry detergent at an over-market but reasonable price.
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I will gladly pay 20 dollars to watch the most epic sc2 tournament to come (until hdh2 maybe). Things cost money and people dont work for free. Pirating will only hinder the growth of esports. GOMtv is a company, which means they need to make a profit to stay in business. Thumbs up to them for reacting to our concerns, and I will reward them with my money. If you cant afford 20 bucks, then pay 1.95 for the day pass or watch the free lq stream. There really is no reason to bitch here anymore, and it is getting rather annoying.
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On September 04 2010 02:02 jalstar wrote: This still fucking sucks. I can't watch the LQ stream because it's at a terrible time, and there's no way I'm paying $20 for an HQ stream I won't watch, and LQ VODs that I'll end up watching half of at most. Enjoy getting pirated GOM.
Wait a minute, GomTv will buy you plane tickets in order for you to watch the stream free and in Korea. No more terrible time, no more money to give !
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On September 04 2010 02:09 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 02:08 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:On September 04 2010 02:02 jalstar wrote: This still fucking sucks. I can't watch the LQ stream because it's at a terrible time, and there's no way I'm paying $20 for an HQ stream I won't watch, and LQ VODs that I'll end up watching half of at most. Enjoy getting pirated GOM. Way to be a dick about it. If you're cheap and and plan on getting handouts anyway, what's the point of complaining? We all know you'd rather watch the free version than pay even $1 for a HQ ad-less version. I can't watch any version of the stream, I just want to watch a few VODs.
So pay for it like any other thing you get to enjoy. You are entitled to ZIP.
Being spiteful is the wrong way of going about this.
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On September 04 2010 02:10 EpiCenteR wrote: I will gladly pay 20 dollars to watch the most epic sc2 tournament to come (until hdh2 maybe). Things cost money and people dont work for free. Pirating will only hinder the growth of esports. GOMtv is a company, which means they need to make a profit to stay in business. Thumbs up to them for reacting to our concerns, and I will reward them with my money. If you cant afford 20 bucks, then pay 1.95 for the day pass or watch the free lq stream. There really is no reason to bitch here anymore, and it is getting rather annoying.
The day pass doesn't get you VODs, which is absolute bullshit. Surprised more people aren't complaining.
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On September 04 2010 02:02 jalstar wrote: This still fucking sucks. I can't watch the LQ stream because it's at a terrible time, and there's no way I'm paying $20 for an HQ stream I won't watch, and LQ VODs that I'll end up watching half of at most. Enjoy getting pirated GOM.
Seems like your biggest complaint is the time zones lol. Sorry that gom couldn't change the times for American viewers.
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On September 04 2010 02:12 Goshawk. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 02:02 jalstar wrote: This still fucking sucks. I can't watch the LQ stream because it's at a terrible time, and there's no way I'm paying $20 for an HQ stream I won't watch, and LQ VODs that I'll end up watching half of at most. Enjoy getting pirated GOM. Seems like your biggest complaint is the time zones lol. Sorry that gom couldn't change the times for American viewers.
So basically it's only free for people with no school/job or people in Europe. Seriously, free LQ stream but paid VODs is BS when most of your audience can't watch it live.
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On September 04 2010 02:02 jalstar wrote: This still fucking sucks. I can't watch the LQ stream because it's at a terrible time, and there's no way I'm paying $20 for an HQ stream I won't watch, and LQ VODs that I'll end up watching half of at most. Enjoy getting pirated GOM. you got bad attitude. Enjoy what you get, support gom, starcraft2 and e-sports.
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On September 04 2010 02:14 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 02:12 Goshawk. wrote:On September 04 2010 02:02 jalstar wrote: This still fucking sucks. I can't watch the LQ stream because it's at a terrible time, and there's no way I'm paying $20 for an HQ stream I won't watch, and LQ VODs that I'll end up watching half of at most. Enjoy getting pirated GOM. Seems like your biggest complaint is the time zones lol. Sorry that gom couldn't change the times for American viewers. So basically it's only free for people with no school/job or people in Europe. Seriously, free LQ stream but paid VODs is BS when most of your audience can't watch it live.
Suddenly MOST of the audience is considered US ?
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On September 04 2010 02:12 Goshawk. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 02:02 jalstar wrote: This still fucking sucks. I can't watch the LQ stream because it's at a terrible time, and there's no way I'm paying $20 for an HQ stream I won't watch, and LQ VODs that I'll end up watching half of at most. Enjoy getting pirated GOM. Seems like your biggest complaint is the time zones lol. Sorry that gom couldn't change the times for American viewers. People just need to suck it up and wake up early like the rest of us ^^.
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On September 04 2010 02:14 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 02:12 Goshawk. wrote:On September 04 2010 02:02 jalstar wrote: This still fucking sucks. I can't watch the LQ stream because it's at a terrible time, and there's no way I'm paying $20 for an HQ stream I won't watch, and LQ VODs that I'll end up watching half of at most. Enjoy getting pirated GOM. Seems like your biggest complaint is the time zones lol. Sorry that gom couldn't change the times for American viewers. So basically it's only free for people with no school/job or people in Europe. Seriously, free LQ stream but paid VODs is BS when most of your audience can't watch it live. Lol, somebody is just now learning that life isn't fair for everybody! You should write them a letter and maybe they'll make it 1500 kbps, turn on right when you wake up, AND tailor the commentating to your liking.
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On September 04 2010 02:15 DarkspearTribe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 02:02 jalstar wrote: This still fucking sucks. I can't watch the LQ stream because it's at a terrible time, and there's no way I'm paying $20 for an HQ stream I won't watch, and LQ VODs that I'll end up watching half of at most. Enjoy getting pirated GOM. you got bad attitude. Enjoy what you get, support gom, starcraft2 and e-sports.
and yet so many people bitch about kespa hahaha
only if kespa had that kind of blind support what a terrible esports scene it would be hahahaha
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 03 2010 23:15 TorcH wrote:Mods: I’m sorry for creating another thread about this topic, but I feel this information needs to be very easily and quickly accessed. Note: All the information in this post is completely based on the information I have gathered and does not *necessarily* reflect the opinions of GomTV, Blizzard, GSL, or any other party. As many people have seen, GomTV has changed their original plan for a PPV-only model of viewing GSL to the more standard: Free Normal(Low?)-Quality stream and then a reasonably priced Premium HQ Stream+VODs (You can find the exact options on http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/ as soon as it is made public). What I intend to address in this post is some reasons for why they changed their method with a bit of insight into the company itself and all it is trying to do for SC2 and e-Sports. From the beginning, the PPV method was never a money-making scheme and GomTV should not be compared to Kespa/OGN/MBC for any reason (good or bad). They are trying to learn from the mistakes of their counterparts, but also adopt the successful attributes as they can. What Junkka (GomTV rep and very manner fellow) has stated in his posts about the cost going to cover the stream itself is very true. It was simply because they were not aware of any alternatives at the time. We all know it was not the wisest or most researched decision to make, but they now have other options which they are pursuing in order to do what is best for the community as a whole. It is not because they “tried to squeeze e-sports dry” (or any other similar ideas) and failed, but because, as Junkka said, they are extremely understaffed while still trying to run one of the largest (and hopefully one of the best) e-Sports events in history. Every employee at GomTV that I have met so far is working very hard and are passionate about what this could become, but they also do not have a strong connection to the foreign community, yet. They respect TL very much and do want to hear your opinions, but things also take time, so be patient, while still providing feedback as much as you can. It seemed a little odd even to me that they had not made any statements concerning this issue earlier, but they were pretty much all in rushed meetings trying to solve the issues and not able to provide a concise statement to TL or any other foreigners. Also, don’t necessarily expect anything official to come out for a little while, they are still working to provide an even better solution then what we are seeing now and may not want to make a statement they would once again have to retract. They recognize that while the additional US servers they are providing will help tremendously (as can be seen by the “Bandwidth Check” differences between yesterday and today), there is still a long way to go before everyone can receive ideal coverage of the event. Summary: -GomTV cares and is in no way evil -GSL will become a great event if we all support it (not necessarily monetarily, but in any way we can) -Keep up the good work! Addressing a few common comments in the various threads: 1. This was absolutely NOT a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique as many people speculated. They are being very honest with their statements and just don’t have the manpower to make 100% correct decisions 100% of the time. Bear with them (get it, because “Gom” = “Bear” in Korean ;-)) and keep providing them *constructive* criticism as you see fit. 2. Many of the pro-payment people stated you should be paying for this service just to support e-Sports. I disagree. Do NOT throw money away just in the name of supporting something, but DO let it be a factor in making some decisions, such as whether or not to pay for the HQ of a match you really want to see versus buying the whole package and only using it once or twice. Basically, be inclined to support GomTV/MLG/ESL/HandsomeNerd/etc if they provide a service you would like, as they prove to help E-Sports, but don’t have it be the sole reason for giving money to some random product/service if it doesn’t actually help or interest you. 3. Again, I can confirm that these events were not planned from the start, but the loud outcry has actually been motivating to GomTV and, with a bit of reflection, should be to everyone here. Take this energy and spread the word of GSL, SC2, and e-Sports to your friends, family, girlfriend, neighbors, grandparents, etc.4. A fully, free, ad-supported, true-HD stream is the goal, but keep in mind this is EXTREMELY short notice to run a tournament of this scale on *repeat* a very understaffed team. Saying things like “they should just get sponsors, it’d pay for itself” is completely known to them, but you have to have a marketing team already set and able to present your product to *foreign* (most employees speak no, or very little, English) companies that may have never heard of E-Sports before. Other Clarifications (I may edit in more items here if there are other questions I can clear up): 1. Season = approximately a 1-month tournament. There will be 3 seasons in 2010. 2. GSL will most likely NOT be on OGN this season, nothing is final however. Overall Message: Try to erase the past few days from your mind and return to being psyched for what could easily become the greatest ongoing event in E-Sports history. Spread the word.If you have any further questions, feel free to send them to me or Junkka@gretech.com. However, I may not be able to respond as I’ve been neglecting practicing for a bit, because of this :-/. (For the record, I had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to make this free, it was all of you. TEAM LIQUID FIGHTING!) PS. In the interest of returning GSL's image back to something positive like it deserves, can we get the Poll on the side of TL removed, or reset? No I am not. I am just a player in their tournament that they've shown great hospitality to (which I'll touch on my experiences in that regard after the event is over for me) and someone who really cares about the growth of e-sports. I have no investment in GomTV, and their success or failure will not affect me any more than it affects any of you, so know that everything I said here is 100% the truth as I know it with no agenda other than trying to support what I see as a potentially awesome event.
Nice propaganda, but they are still racists(or whatever the FOTM word is now) for letting koreans see it for free and non koreans "have" to pay.
Also the "they ahve ppl working here that dont know english and have no clue what their job is" is just amazing, do they really just hire random bums on the streets without looking in to what they can do first?
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So, erm.. When will there be any announcement on GomTV website about this?
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On September 04 2010 02:18 SuperGnu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 03 2010 23:15 TorcH wrote:Mods: I’m sorry for creating another thread about this topic, but I feel this information needs to be very easily and quickly accessed. Note: All the information in this post is completely based on the information I have gathered and does not *necessarily* reflect the opinions of GomTV, Blizzard, GSL, or any other party. As many people have seen, GomTV has changed their original plan for a PPV-only model of viewing GSL to the more standard: Free Normal(Low?)-Quality stream and then a reasonably priced Premium HQ Stream+VODs (You can find the exact options on http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/ as soon as it is made public). What I intend to address in this post is some reasons for why they changed their method with a bit of insight into the company itself and all it is trying to do for SC2 and e-Sports. From the beginning, the PPV method was never a money-making scheme and GomTV should not be compared to Kespa/OGN/MBC for any reason (good or bad). They are trying to learn from the mistakes of their counterparts, but also adopt the successful attributes as they can. What Junkka (GomTV rep and very manner fellow) has stated in his posts about the cost going to cover the stream itself is very true. It was simply because they were not aware of any alternatives at the time. We all know it was not the wisest or most researched decision to make, but they now have other options which they are pursuing in order to do what is best for the community as a whole. It is not because they “tried to squeeze e-sports dry” (or any other similar ideas) and failed, but because, as Junkka said, they are extremely understaffed while still trying to run one of the largest (and hopefully one of the best) e-Sports events in history. Every employee at GomTV that I have met so far is working very hard and are passionate about what this could become, but they also do not have a strong connection to the foreign community, yet. They respect TL very much and do want to hear your opinions, but things also take time, so be patient, while still providing feedback as much as you can. It seemed a little odd even to me that they had not made any statements concerning this issue earlier, but they were pretty much all in rushed meetings trying to solve the issues and not able to provide a concise statement to TL or any other foreigners. Also, don’t necessarily expect anything official to come out for a little while, they are still working to provide an even better solution then what we are seeing now and may not want to make a statement they would once again have to retract. They recognize that while the additional US servers they are providing will help tremendously (as can be seen by the “Bandwidth Check” differences between yesterday and today), there is still a long way to go before everyone can receive ideal coverage of the event. Summary: -GomTV cares and is in no way evil -GSL will become a great event if we all support it (not necessarily monetarily, but in any way we can) -Keep up the good work! Addressing a few common comments in the various threads: 1. This was absolutely NOT a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique as many people speculated. They are being very honest with their statements and just don’t have the manpower to make 100% correct decisions 100% of the time. Bear with them (get it, because “Gom” = “Bear” in Korean ;-)) and keep providing them *constructive* criticism as you see fit. 2. Many of the pro-payment people stated you should be paying for this service just to support e-Sports. I disagree. Do NOT throw money away just in the name of supporting something, but DO let it be a factor in making some decisions, such as whether or not to pay for the HQ of a match you really want to see versus buying the whole package and only using it once or twice. Basically, be inclined to support GomTV/MLG/ESL/HandsomeNerd/etc if they provide a service you would like, as they prove to help E-Sports, but don’t have it be the sole reason for giving money to some random product/service if it doesn’t actually help or interest you. 3. Again, I can confirm that these events were not planned from the start, but the loud outcry has actually been motivating to GomTV and, with a bit of reflection, should be to everyone here. Take this energy and spread the word of GSL, SC2, and e-Sports to your friends, family, girlfriend, neighbors, grandparents, etc.4. A fully, free, ad-supported, true-HD stream is the goal, but keep in mind this is EXTREMELY short notice to run a tournament of this scale on *repeat* a very understaffed team. Saying things like “they should just get sponsors, it’d pay for itself” is completely known to them, but you have to have a marketing team already set and able to present your product to *foreign* (most employees speak no, or very little, English) companies that may have never heard of E-Sports before. Other Clarifications (I may edit in more items here if there are other questions I can clear up): 1. Season = approximately a 1-month tournament. There will be 3 seasons in 2010. 2. GSL will most likely NOT be on OGN this season, nothing is final however. Overall Message: Try to erase the past few days from your mind and return to being psyched for what could easily become the greatest ongoing event in E-Sports history. Spread the word.If you have any further questions, feel free to send them to me or Junkka@gretech.com. However, I may not be able to respond as I’ve been neglecting practicing for a bit, because of this :-/. (For the record, I had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to make this free, it was all of you. TEAM LIQUID FIGHTING!) PS. In the interest of returning GSL's image back to something positive like it deserves, can we get the Poll on the side of TL removed, or reset? No I am not. I am just a player in their tournament that they've shown great hospitality to (which I'll touch on my experiences in that regard after the event is over for me) and someone who really cares about the growth of e-sports. I have no investment in GomTV, and their success or failure will not affect me any more than it affects any of you, so know that everything I said here is 100% the truth as I know it with no agenda other than trying to support what I see as a potentially awesome event. Nice propaganda, but they are still racists(or whatever the FOTM word is now) for letting koreans see it for free and non koreans "have" to pay. Did you seriously just throw out the racism card?
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+ Show Spoiler + TorcH wrote:Mods: I’m sorry for creating another thread about this topic, but I feel this information needs to be very easily and quickly accessed. Note: All the information in this post is completely based on the information I have gathered and does not *necessarily* reflect the opinions of GomTV, Blizzard, GSL, or any other party. As many people have seen, GomTV has changed their original plan for a PPV-only model of viewing GSL to the more standard: Free Normal(Low?)-Quality stream and then a reasonably priced Premium HQ Stream+VODs (You can find the exact options on http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/ as soon as it is made public). What I intend to address in this post is some reasons for why they changed their method with a bit of insight into the company itself and all it is trying to do for SC2 and e-Sports. From the beginning, the PPV method was never a money-making scheme and GomTV should not be compared to Kespa/OGN/MBC for any reason (good or bad). They are trying to learn from the mistakes of their counterparts, but also adopt the successful attributes as they can. What Junkka (GomTV rep and very manner fellow) has stated in his posts about the cost going to cover the stream itself is very true. It was simply because they were not aware of any alternatives at the time. We all know it was not the wisest or most researched decision to make, but they now have other options which they are pursuing in order to do what is best for the community as a whole. It is not because they “tried to squeeze e-sports dry” (or any other similar ideas) and failed, but because, as Junkka said, they are extremely understaffed while still trying to run one of the largest (and hopefully one of the best) e-Sports events in history. Every employee at GomTV that I have met so far is working very hard and are passionate about what this could become, but they also do not have a strong connection to the foreign community, yet. They respect TL very much and do want to hear your opinions, but things also take time, so be patient, while still providing feedback as much as you can. It seemed a little odd even to me that they had not made any statements concerning this issue earlier, but they were pretty much all in rushed meetings trying to solve the issues and not able to provide a concise statement to TL or any other foreigners. Also, don’t necessarily expect anything official to come out for a little while, they are still working to provide an even better solution then what we are seeing now and may not want to make a statement they would once again have to retract. They recognize that while the additional US servers they are providing will help tremendously (as can be seen by the “Bandwidth Check” differences between yesterday and today), there is still a long way to go before everyone can receive ideal coverage of the event. Summary: -GomTV cares and is in no way evil -GSL will become a great event if we all support it (not necessarily monetarily, but in any way we can) -Keep up the good work! Addressing a few common comments in the various threads: 1. This was absolutely NOT a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique as many people speculated. They are being very honest with their statements and just don’t have the manpower to make 100% correct decisions 100% of the time. Bear with them (get it, because “Gom” = “Bear” in Korean ;-)) and keep providing them *constructive* criticism as you see fit. 2. Many of the pro-payment people stated you should be paying for this service just to support e-Sports. I disagree. Do NOT throw money away just in the name of supporting something, but DO let it be a factor in making some decisions, such as whether or not to pay for the HQ of a match you really want to see versus buying the whole package and only using it once or twice. Basically, be inclined to support GomTV/MLG/ESL/HandsomeNerd/etc if they provide a service you would like, as they prove to help E-Sports, but don’t have it be the sole reason for giving money to some random product/service if it doesn’t actually help or interest you. 3. Again, I can confirm that these events were not planned from the start, but the loud outcry has actually been motivating to GomTV and, with a bit of reflection, should be to everyone here. Take this energy and spread the word of GSL, SC2, and e-Sports to your friends, family, girlfriend, neighbors, grandparents, etc.4. A fully, free, ad-supported, true-HD stream is the goal, but keep in mind this is EXTREMELY short notice to run a tournament of this scale on *repeat* a very understaffed team. Saying things like “they should just get sponsors, it’d pay for itself” is completely known to them, but you have to have a marketing team already set and able to present your product to *foreign* (most employees speak no, or very little, English) companies that may have never heard of E-Sports before. Other Clarifications (I may edit in more items here if there are other questions I can clear up): 1. Season = approximately a 1-month tournament. There will be 3 seasons in 2010. 2. GSL will most likely NOT be on OGN this season, nothing is final however. Overall Message: Try to erase the past few days from your mind and return to being psyched for what could easily become the greatest ongoing event in E-Sports history. Spread the word.If you have any further questions, feel free to send them to me or Junkka@gretech.com. However, I may not be able to respond as I’ve been neglecting practicing for a bit, because of this :-/. (For the record, I had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to make this free, it was all of you. TEAM LIQUID FIGHTING!) PS. In the interest of returning GSL's image back to something positive like it deserves, can we get the Poll on the side of TL removed, or reset? No I am not. I am just a player in their tournament that they've shown great hospitality to (which I'll touch on my experiences in that regard after the event is over for me) and someone who really cares about the growth of e-sports. I have no investment in GomTV, and their success or failure will not affect me any more than it affects any of you, so know that everything I said here is 100% the truth as I know it with no agenda other than trying to support what I see as a potentially awesome event.
Nice propaganda, but they are still racists(or whatever the FOTM word is now) for letting koreans see it for free and non koreans "have" to pay. [/QUOTE] Did you seriously just throw out the racism card?[/QUOTE][/spoiler]
In a way yes. But not in it's true sense, but letting non korean pay for something koreans get for free is a bit... ODD to say the least.
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On September 04 2010 02:18 SuperGnu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 03 2010 23:15 TorcH wrote:Mods: I’m sorry for creating another thread about this topic, but I feel this information needs to be very easily and quickly accessed. Note: All the information in this post is completely based on the information I have gathered and does not *necessarily* reflect the opinions of GomTV, Blizzard, GSL, or any other party. As many people have seen, GomTV has changed their original plan for a PPV-only model of viewing GSL to the more standard: Free Normal(Low?)-Quality stream and then a reasonably priced Premium HQ Stream+VODs (You can find the exact options on http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/ as soon as it is made public). What I intend to address in this post is some reasons for why they changed their method with a bit of insight into the company itself and all it is trying to do for SC2 and e-Sports. From the beginning, the PPV method was never a money-making scheme and GomTV should not be compared to Kespa/OGN/MBC for any reason (good or bad). They are trying to learn from the mistakes of their counterparts, but also adopt the successful attributes as they can. What Junkka (GomTV rep and very manner fellow) has stated in his posts about the cost going to cover the stream itself is very true. It was simply because they were not aware of any alternatives at the time. We all know it was not the wisest or most researched decision to make, but they now have other options which they are pursuing in order to do what is best for the community as a whole. It is not because they “tried to squeeze e-sports dry” (or any other similar ideas) and failed, but because, as Junkka said, they are extremely understaffed while still trying to run one of the largest (and hopefully one of the best) e-Sports events in history. Every employee at GomTV that I have met so far is working very hard and are passionate about what this could become, but they also do not have a strong connection to the foreign community, yet. They respect TL very much and do want to hear your opinions, but things also take time, so be patient, while still providing feedback as much as you can. It seemed a little odd even to me that they had not made any statements concerning this issue earlier, but they were pretty much all in rushed meetings trying to solve the issues and not able to provide a concise statement to TL or any other foreigners. Also, don’t necessarily expect anything official to come out for a little while, they are still working to provide an even better solution then what we are seeing now and may not want to make a statement they would once again have to retract. They recognize that while the additional US servers they are providing will help tremendously (as can be seen by the “Bandwidth Check” differences between yesterday and today), there is still a long way to go before everyone can receive ideal coverage of the event. Summary: -GomTV cares and is in no way evil -GSL will become a great event if we all support it (not necessarily monetarily, but in any way we can) -Keep up the good work! Addressing a few common comments in the various threads: 1. This was absolutely NOT a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique as many people speculated. They are being very honest with their statements and just don’t have the manpower to make 100% correct decisions 100% of the time. Bear with them (get it, because “Gom” = “Bear” in Korean ;-)) and keep providing them *constructive* criticism as you see fit. 2. Many of the pro-payment people stated you should be paying for this service just to support e-Sports. I disagree. Do NOT throw money away just in the name of supporting something, but DO let it be a factor in making some decisions, such as whether or not to pay for the HQ of a match you really want to see versus buying the whole package and only using it once or twice. Basically, be inclined to support GomTV/MLG/ESL/HandsomeNerd/etc if they provide a service you would like, as they prove to help E-Sports, but don’t have it be the sole reason for giving money to some random product/service if it doesn’t actually help or interest you. 3. Again, I can confirm that these events were not planned from the start, but the loud outcry has actually been motivating to GomTV and, with a bit of reflection, should be to everyone here. Take this energy and spread the word of GSL, SC2, and e-Sports to your friends, family, girlfriend, neighbors, grandparents, etc.4. A fully, free, ad-supported, true-HD stream is the goal, but keep in mind this is EXTREMELY short notice to run a tournament of this scale on *repeat* a very understaffed team. Saying things like “they should just get sponsors, it’d pay for itself” is completely known to them, but you have to have a marketing team already set and able to present your product to *foreign* (most employees speak no, or very little, English) companies that may have never heard of E-Sports before. Other Clarifications (I may edit in more items here if there are other questions I can clear up): 1. Season = approximately a 1-month tournament. There will be 3 seasons in 2010. 2. GSL will most likely NOT be on OGN this season, nothing is final however. Overall Message: Try to erase the past few days from your mind and return to being psyched for what could easily become the greatest ongoing event in E-Sports history. Spread the word.If you have any further questions, feel free to send them to me or Junkka@gretech.com. However, I may not be able to respond as I’ve been neglecting practicing for a bit, because of this :-/. (For the record, I had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to make this free, it was all of you. TEAM LIQUID FIGHTING!) PS. In the interest of returning GSL's image back to something positive like it deserves, can we get the Poll on the side of TL removed, or reset? No I am not. I am just a player in their tournament that they've shown great hospitality to (which I'll touch on my experiences in that regard after the event is over for me) and someone who really cares about the growth of e-sports. I have no investment in GomTV, and their success or failure will not affect me any more than it affects any of you, so know that everything I said here is 100% the truth as I know it with no agenda other than trying to support what I see as a potentially awesome event. Nice propaganda, but they are still racists(or whatever the FOTM word is now) for letting koreans see it for free and non koreans "have" to pay. Also the "they ahve ppl working here that dont know english and have no clue what their job is" is just amazing, do they really just hire random bums on the streets without looking in to what they can do first?
Dude... What you are describing happens ALL THE TIME in EVERY COUNTRY. Seriously. Want to watch quality football (soccer to Americans) in the US? Pay out your ass. Wanna watch in Europe? No problem.
Jesus, this is not new. This is standard practice. Move on with your life. Pay or don't pay. Just stop bitching.
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On September 04 2010 01:09 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 00:46 ZlaSHeR wrote: I'm not buying it at all. If they said it wasn't a money making scheme and it was only used to cover the stream costs they wouldn't charge 50 dollars for live+vods. To stream across the world it'll cost them anywhere from 4 cents to 8 cents an hour. Assuming they give 3 hours of content a night, thats 24 cents per person, so they'd have to be giving over 170 hours of content at the highest price (8 cents an hour) even though we know they're not paying 8 cents an hour since their quality is 250 kb/s. All in all, if they planned ot have zero free stream and only a 50 dollar pay stream as the option for foreigners.
Theyw anted to make money otherwise they would have charged something like 3 bucks for the month to recover costs. You're forgetting the salaries of Tasteless and Artosis and the extra work to manage their workplace and stream.
They would pay their salaries regardless of the cast. They are paid everyd ay they do work not just when they are casting a GSL, they're not getting some gigantic contract bonus all of a sudden. Those salaries shouldn't have any effect on "recovering costs".
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On September 04 2010 02:27 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 02:18 SuperGnu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 03 2010 23:15 TorcH wrote:Mods: I’m sorry for creating another thread about this topic, but I feel this information needs to be very easily and quickly accessed. Note: All the information in this post is completely based on the information I have gathered and does not *necessarily* reflect the opinions of GomTV, Blizzard, GSL, or any other party. As many people have seen, GomTV has changed their original plan for a PPV-only model of viewing GSL to the more standard: Free Normal(Low?)-Quality stream and then a reasonably priced Premium HQ Stream+VODs (You can find the exact options on http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/ as soon as it is made public). What I intend to address in this post is some reasons for why they changed their method with a bit of insight into the company itself and all it is trying to do for SC2 and e-Sports. From the beginning, the PPV method was never a money-making scheme and GomTV should not be compared to Kespa/OGN/MBC for any reason (good or bad). They are trying to learn from the mistakes of their counterparts, but also adopt the successful attributes as they can. What Junkka (GomTV rep and very manner fellow) has stated in his posts about the cost going to cover the stream itself is very true. It was simply because they were not aware of any alternatives at the time. We all know it was not the wisest or most researched decision to make, but they now have other options which they are pursuing in order to do what is best for the community as a whole. It is not because they “tried to squeeze e-sports dry” (or any other similar ideas) and failed, but because, as Junkka said, they are extremely understaffed while still trying to run one of the largest (and hopefully one of the best) e-Sports events in history. Every employee at GomTV that I have met so far is working very hard and are passionate about what this could become, but they also do not have a strong connection to the foreign community, yet. They respect TL very much and do want to hear your opinions, but things also take time, so be patient, while still providing feedback as much as you can. It seemed a little odd even to me that they had not made any statements concerning this issue earlier, but they were pretty much all in rushed meetings trying to solve the issues and not able to provide a concise statement to TL or any other foreigners. Also, don’t necessarily expect anything official to come out for a little while, they are still working to provide an even better solution then what we are seeing now and may not want to make a statement they would once again have to retract. They recognize that while the additional US servers they are providing will help tremendously (as can be seen by the “Bandwidth Check” differences between yesterday and today), there is still a long way to go before everyone can receive ideal coverage of the event. Summary: -GomTV cares and is in no way evil -GSL will become a great event if we all support it (not necessarily monetarily, but in any way we can) -Keep up the good work! Addressing a few common comments in the various threads: 1. This was absolutely NOT a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique as many people speculated. They are being very honest with their statements and just don’t have the manpower to make 100% correct decisions 100% of the time. Bear with them (get it, because “Gom” = “Bear” in Korean ;-)) and keep providing them *constructive* criticism as you see fit. 2. Many of the pro-payment people stated you should be paying for this service just to support e-Sports. I disagree. Do NOT throw money away just in the name of supporting something, but DO let it be a factor in making some decisions, such as whether or not to pay for the HQ of a match you really want to see versus buying the whole package and only using it once or twice. Basically, be inclined to support GomTV/MLG/ESL/HandsomeNerd/etc if they provide a service you would like, as they prove to help E-Sports, but don’t have it be the sole reason for giving money to some random product/service if it doesn’t actually help or interest you. 3. Again, I can confirm that these events were not planned from the start, but the loud outcry has actually been motivating to GomTV and, with a bit of reflection, should be to everyone here. Take this energy and spread the word of GSL, SC2, and e-Sports to your friends, family, girlfriend, neighbors, grandparents, etc.4. A fully, free, ad-supported, true-HD stream is the goal, but keep in mind this is EXTREMELY short notice to run a tournament of this scale on *repeat* a very understaffed team. Saying things like “they should just get sponsors, it’d pay for itself” is completely known to them, but you have to have a marketing team already set and able to present your product to *foreign* (most employees speak no, or very little, English) companies that may have never heard of E-Sports before. Other Clarifications (I may edit in more items here if there are other questions I can clear up): 1. Season = approximately a 1-month tournament. There will be 3 seasons in 2010. 2. GSL will most likely NOT be on OGN this season, nothing is final however. Overall Message: Try to erase the past few days from your mind and return to being psyched for what could easily become the greatest ongoing event in E-Sports history. Spread the word.If you have any further questions, feel free to send them to me or Junkka@gretech.com. However, I may not be able to respond as I’ve been neglecting practicing for a bit, because of this :-/. (For the record, I had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to make this free, it was all of you. TEAM LIQUID FIGHTING!) PS. In the interest of returning GSL's image back to something positive like it deserves, can we get the Poll on the side of TL removed, or reset? No I am not. I am just a player in their tournament that they've shown great hospitality to (which I'll touch on my experiences in that regard after the event is over for me) and someone who really cares about the growth of e-sports. I have no investment in GomTV, and their success or failure will not affect me any more than it affects any of you, so know that everything I said here is 100% the truth as I know it with no agenda other than trying to support what I see as a potentially awesome event. Nice propaganda, but they are still racists(or whatever the FOTM word is now) for letting koreans see it for free and non koreans "have" to pay. Also the "they ahve ppl working here that dont know english and have no clue what their job is" is just amazing, do they really just hire random bums on the streets without looking in to what they can do first? Dude... What you are describing happens ALL THE TIME in EVERY COUNTRY. Seriously. Want to watch quality football (soccer to Americans) in the US? Pay out your ass. Wanna watch in Europe? No problem. Jesus, this is not new. This is standard practice. Move on with your life. Pay or don't pay. Just stop bitching. Amen.
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On September 04 2010 02:23 SuperGnu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + TorcH wrote:Mods: I’m sorry for creating another thread about this topic, but I feel this information needs to be very easily and quickly accessed. Note: All the information in this post is completely based on the information I have gathered and does not *necessarily* reflect the opinions of GomTV, Blizzard, GSL, or any other party. As many people have seen, GomTV has changed their original plan for a PPV-only model of viewing GSL to the more standard: Free Normal(Low?)-Quality stream and then a reasonably priced Premium HQ Stream+VODs (You can find the exact options on http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/ as soon as it is made public). What I intend to address in this post is some reasons for why they changed their method with a bit of insight into the company itself and all it is trying to do for SC2 and e-Sports. From the beginning, the PPV method was never a money-making scheme and GomTV should not be compared to Kespa/OGN/MBC for any reason (good or bad). They are trying to learn from the mistakes of their counterparts, but also adopt the successful attributes as they can. What Junkka (GomTV rep and very manner fellow) has stated in his posts about the cost going to cover the stream itself is very true. It was simply because they were not aware of any alternatives at the time. We all know it was not the wisest or most researched decision to make, but they now have other options which they are pursuing in order to do what is best for the community as a whole. It is not because they “tried to squeeze e-sports dry” (or any other similar ideas) and failed, but because, as Junkka said, they are extremely understaffed while still trying to run one of the largest (and hopefully one of the best) e-Sports events in history. Every employee at GomTV that I have met so far is working very hard and are passionate about what this could become, but they also do not have a strong connection to the foreign community, yet. They respect TL very much and do want to hear your opinions, but things also take time, so be patient, while still providing feedback as much as you can. It seemed a little odd even to me that they had not made any statements concerning this issue earlier, but they were pretty much all in rushed meetings trying to solve the issues and not able to provide a concise statement to TL or any other foreigners. Also, don’t necessarily expect anything official to come out for a little while, they are still working to provide an even better solution then what we are seeing now and may not want to make a statement they would once again have to retract. They recognize that while the additional US servers they are providing will help tremendously (as can be seen by the “Bandwidth Check” differences between yesterday and today), there is still a long way to go before everyone can receive ideal coverage of the event. Summary: -GomTV cares and is in no way evil -GSL will become a great event if we all support it (not necessarily monetarily, but in any way we can) -Keep up the good work! Addressing a few common comments in the various threads: 1. This was absolutely NOT a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique as many people speculated. They are being very honest with their statements and just don’t have the manpower to make 100% correct decisions 100% of the time. Bear with them (get it, because “Gom” = “Bear” in Korean ;-)) and keep providing them *constructive* criticism as you see fit. 2. Many of the pro-payment people stated you should be paying for this service just to support e-Sports. I disagree. Do NOT throw money away just in the name of supporting something, but DO let it be a factor in making some decisions, such as whether or not to pay for the HQ of a match you really want to see versus buying the whole package and only using it once or twice. Basically, be inclined to support GomTV/MLG/ESL/HandsomeNerd/etc if they provide a service you would like, as they prove to help E-Sports, but don’t have it be the sole reason for giving money to some random product/service if it doesn’t actually help or interest you. 3. Again, I can confirm that these events were not planned from the start, but the loud outcry has actually been motivating to GomTV and, with a bit of reflection, should be to everyone here. Take this energy and spread the word of GSL, SC2, and e-Sports to your friends, family, girlfriend, neighbors, grandparents, etc.4. A fully, free, ad-supported, true-HD stream is the goal, but keep in mind this is EXTREMELY short notice to run a tournament of this scale on *repeat* a very understaffed team. Saying things like “they should just get sponsors, it’d pay for itself” is completely known to them, but you have to have a marketing team already set and able to present your product to *foreign* (most employees speak no, or very little, English) companies that may have never heard of E-Sports before. Other Clarifications (I may edit in more items here if there are other questions I can clear up): 1. Season = approximately a 1-month tournament. There will be 3 seasons in 2010. 2. GSL will most likely NOT be on OGN this season, nothing is final however. Overall Message: Try to erase the past few days from your mind and return to being psyched for what could easily become the greatest ongoing event in E-Sports history. Spread the word.If you have any further questions, feel free to send them to me or Junkka@gretech.com. However, I may not be able to respond as I’ve been neglecting practicing for a bit, because of this :-/. (For the record, I had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to make this free, it was all of you. TEAM LIQUID FIGHTING!) PS. In the interest of returning GSL's image back to something positive like it deserves, can we get the Poll on the side of TL removed, or reset? No I am not. I am just a player in their tournament that they've shown great hospitality to (which I'll touch on my experiences in that regard after the event is over for me) and someone who really cares about the growth of e-sports. I have no investment in GomTV, and their success or failure will not affect me any more than it affects any of you, so know that everything I said here is 100% the truth as I know it with no agenda other than trying to support what I see as a potentially awesome event. Nice propaganda, but they are still racists(or whatever the FOTM word is now) for letting koreans see it for free and non koreans "have" to pay. Did you seriously just throw out the racism card?[/QUOTE][/spoiler]
In a way yes. But not in it's true sense, but letting non korean pay for something koreans get for free is a bit... ODD to say the least.[/QUOTE] If you actually took time to read what you said was "propaganda", you could answer you own question. The korean stream has ads in it, which are obviously supporting korean products and in the korean language. They are not marketed for the westerners like ourselfs. Since there are no products being target for the western audience that means we must pay to watch the HQ stream. Seriously, take some business classes, or even marketing, and think of the real reason they would do this so you dont look stupid when you say its racism driving their decisions.
Everyone just watch the free stream, or even pay if you want. The more Americans that watch this greaters the chance they will get some American companies interested in supporting GOM and the GSL. That translates into potential western sponsors and ads, which means a better chance of getting a free HD stream like the Koreans. Dry your tears, turn off the hissy fit, and watch/pay for the stream so maybe we dont have to pay in the future.
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On September 04 2010 02:28 ZlaSHeR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 01:09 Ropid wrote:On September 04 2010 00:46 ZlaSHeR wrote: I'm not buying it at all. If they said it wasn't a money making scheme and it was only used to cover the stream costs they wouldn't charge 50 dollars for live+vods. To stream across the world it'll cost them anywhere from 4 cents to 8 cents an hour. Assuming they give 3 hours of content a night, thats 24 cents per person, so they'd have to be giving over 170 hours of content at the highest price (8 cents an hour) even though we know they're not paying 8 cents an hour since their quality is 250 kb/s. All in all, if they planned ot have zero free stream and only a 50 dollar pay stream as the option for foreigners.
Theyw anted to make money otherwise they would have charged something like 3 bucks for the month to recover costs. You're forgetting the salaries of Tasteless and Artosis and the extra work to manage their workplace and stream. They would pay their salaries regardless of the cast. They are paid everyd ay they do work not just when they are casting a GSL, they're not getting some gigantic contract bonus all of a sudden. Those salaries shouldn't have any effect on "recovering costs". You're just making this up, right?
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On September 04 2010 02:27 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 02:18 SuperGnu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 03 2010 23:15 TorcH wrote:Mods: I’m sorry for creating another thread about this topic, but I feel this information needs to be very easily and quickly accessed. Note: All the information in this post is completely based on the information I have gathered and does not *necessarily* reflect the opinions of GomTV, Blizzard, GSL, or any other party. As many people have seen, GomTV has changed their original plan for a PPV-only model of viewing GSL to the more standard: Free Normal(Low?)-Quality stream and then a reasonably priced Premium HQ Stream+VODs (You can find the exact options on http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/ as soon as it is made public). What I intend to address in this post is some reasons for why they changed their method with a bit of insight into the company itself and all it is trying to do for SC2 and e-Sports. From the beginning, the PPV method was never a money-making scheme and GomTV should not be compared to Kespa/OGN/MBC for any reason (good or bad). They are trying to learn from the mistakes of their counterparts, but also adopt the successful attributes as they can. What Junkka (GomTV rep and very manner fellow) has stated in his posts about the cost going to cover the stream itself is very true. It was simply because they were not aware of any alternatives at the time. We all know it was not the wisest or most researched decision to make, but they now have other options which they are pursuing in order to do what is best for the community as a whole. It is not because they “tried to squeeze e-sports dry” (or any other similar ideas) and failed, but because, as Junkka said, they are extremely understaffed while still trying to run one of the largest (and hopefully one of the best) e-Sports events in history. Every employee at GomTV that I have met so far is working very hard and are passionate about what this could become, but they also do not have a strong connection to the foreign community, yet. They respect TL very much and do want to hear your opinions, but things also take time, so be patient, while still providing feedback as much as you can. It seemed a little odd even to me that they had not made any statements concerning this issue earlier, but they were pretty much all in rushed meetings trying to solve the issues and not able to provide a concise statement to TL or any other foreigners. Also, don’t necessarily expect anything official to come out for a little while, they are still working to provide an even better solution then what we are seeing now and may not want to make a statement they would once again have to retract. They recognize that while the additional US servers they are providing will help tremendously (as can be seen by the “Bandwidth Check” differences between yesterday and today), there is still a long way to go before everyone can receive ideal coverage of the event. Summary: -GomTV cares and is in no way evil -GSL will become a great event if we all support it (not necessarily monetarily, but in any way we can) -Keep up the good work! Addressing a few common comments in the various threads: 1. This was absolutely NOT a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique as many people speculated. They are being very honest with their statements and just don’t have the manpower to make 100% correct decisions 100% of the time. Bear with them (get it, because “Gom” = “Bear” in Korean ;-)) and keep providing them *constructive* criticism as you see fit. 2. Many of the pro-payment people stated you should be paying for this service just to support e-Sports. I disagree. Do NOT throw money away just in the name of supporting something, but DO let it be a factor in making some decisions, such as whether or not to pay for the HQ of a match you really want to see versus buying the whole package and only using it once or twice. Basically, be inclined to support GomTV/MLG/ESL/HandsomeNerd/etc if they provide a service you would like, as they prove to help E-Sports, but don’t have it be the sole reason for giving money to some random product/service if it doesn’t actually help or interest you. 3. Again, I can confirm that these events were not planned from the start, but the loud outcry has actually been motivating to GomTV and, with a bit of reflection, should be to everyone here. Take this energy and spread the word of GSL, SC2, and e-Sports to your friends, family, girlfriend, neighbors, grandparents, etc.4. A fully, free, ad-supported, true-HD stream is the goal, but keep in mind this is EXTREMELY short notice to run a tournament of this scale on *repeat* a very understaffed team. Saying things like “they should just get sponsors, it’d pay for itself” is completely known to them, but you have to have a marketing team already set and able to present your product to *foreign* (most employees speak no, or very little, English) companies that may have never heard of E-Sports before. Other Clarifications (I may edit in more items here if there are other questions I can clear up): 1. Season = approximately a 1-month tournament. There will be 3 seasons in 2010. 2. GSL will most likely NOT be on OGN this season, nothing is final however. Overall Message: Try to erase the past few days from your mind and return to being psyched for what could easily become the greatest ongoing event in E-Sports history. Spread the word.If you have any further questions, feel free to send them to me or Junkka@gretech.com. However, I may not be able to respond as I’ve been neglecting practicing for a bit, because of this :-/. (For the record, I had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to make this free, it was all of you. TEAM LIQUID FIGHTING!) PS. In the interest of returning GSL's image back to something positive like it deserves, can we get the Poll on the side of TL removed, or reset? No I am not. I am just a player in their tournament that they've shown great hospitality to (which I'll touch on my experiences in that regard after the event is over for me) and someone who really cares about the growth of e-sports. I have no investment in GomTV, and their success or failure will not affect me any more than it affects any of you, so know that everything I said here is 100% the truth as I know it with no agenda other than trying to support what I see as a potentially awesome event. Nice propaganda, but they are still racists(or whatever the FOTM word is now) for letting koreans see it for free and non koreans "have" to pay. Also the "they ahve ppl working here that dont know english and have no clue what their job is" is just amazing, do they really just hire random bums on the streets without looking in to what they can do first? Dude... What you are describing happens ALL THE TIME in EVERY COUNTRY. Seriously. Want to watch quality football (soccer to Americans) in the US? Pay out your ass. Wanna watch in Europe? No problem. Jesus, this is not new. This is standard practice. Move on with your life. Pay or don't pay. Just stop bitching.
Seriously this. I can't believe people are now angry that the timezones make it difficult for them.
EDIT: Funny thing is I doubt these people will complain about it being 'racist' once the tournament in question is in a convenient timezone for them -_-
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Sleight wrote:
Dude... What you are describing happens ALL THE TIME in EVERY COUNTRY. Seriously. Want to watch quality football (soccer to Americans) in the US? Pay out your ass. Wanna watch in Europe? No problem.
Jesus, this is not new. This is standard practice. Move on with your life. Pay or don't pay. Just stop bitching.
Thats becuse they sell the rights to other companies, in this case GomTV sells the rights to another company AND the company makes it free watch while GomTV them selves makes ppl pay for it... it is totaly backwards. GomTV is NOT buying the rights to have this, they are SELLING the rights to show it to OTHERS who in turn makes it a free thing... what?
If GomTV was paying someone else for the right to have this then it would be another thing, they dont however.
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KristianJS wrote:
Seriously this. I can't believe people are now angry that the timezones make it difficult for them.
EDIT: Funny thing is I doubt these people will complain about it being 'racist' once the tournament in question is in a convenient timezone for them -_-
Wth does timezones have to do with it?
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lol Torch just went from an unknown player to the savior of GSL for foreigners - nice story
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On September 04 2010 02:18 SuperGnu wrote:
Nice propaganda, but they are still racists(or whatever the FOTM word is now) for letting koreans see it for free and non koreans "have" to pay.
Also the "they ahve ppl working here that dont know english and have no clue what their job is" is just amazing, do they really just hire random bums on the streets without looking in to what they can do first?
This isn't very logical and makes you look bad, please stop.
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$50...wouldn't buy.
$20...will probably buy.
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Torch thank you for taking the time to share this, this is awesome news and I hope you find full time to practice before the upcomming matches. +1 on the supporters
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great news . i'm psyched for this tournament once again.
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I might just buy this for the simple reason of testing the full scope of GomTV's services, which will allow me to give better feedback to the company.
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TorcH, I'v never seen you play, I got no idea who you are, but I am already a fan :p This post was needed.
4. A fully, free, ad-supported, true-HD stream is the goal, but keep in mind this is EXTREMELY short notice to run a tournament of this scale on *repeat* a very understaffed team. Saying things like “they should just get sponsors, it’d pay for itself” is completely known to them, but you have to have a marketing team already set and able to present your product to *foreign* (most employees speak no, or very little, English) companies that may have never heard of E-Sports before. This is also a good reason as to why a free stream is good and if the first event runs great and attracts a lot of people, GOM will have a ton of data to provide to future sponsors. "We had xxxxxxxx people from xxx countries watching during the first season", etc. sounds a lot better than "HEY ITS ESPORT ITS GONNA BE AWESOME PLEASE SPONSOR".
Other than that, Gretech should use artosis/tasteless more, or even called djwheat or BiggerT, I'm sure they would have realized pretty fast that it wouldn't be a good idea to have pay-only streams.
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Awesome news...keep it up!
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now this is a guy who chatted with the ceo regarding this so I would assume he knows whats up. and I especially like the bit about how better implementation may be in the works. Thanks for your efforts torch and go kick some ass @GSL!!
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kGold wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 02:18 SuperGnu wrote:
Nice propaganda, but they are still racists(or whatever the FOTM word is now) for letting koreans see it for free and non koreans "have" to pay.
Also the "they ahve ppl working here that dont know english and have no clue what their job is" is just amazing, do they really just hire random bums on the streets without looking in to what they can do first? This isn't very logical and makes you look bad, please stop.
No it is very logical, GomTV runs this with blizzard, blizzard have been using this tactics for YEARS in WoW. They know that the fanbois will cheer and what not as soon as they pull a stunt like this. They always have and prob always will. ppl are naive and frankly quite stupid.
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The way I see it is GomTV tried to make some money but it turned on them very quickly.
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On September 04 2010 03:11 SuperGnu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +kGold wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 02:18 SuperGnu wrote:
Nice propaganda, but they are still racists(or whatever the FOTM word is now) for letting koreans see it for free and non koreans "have" to pay.
Also the "they ahve ppl working here that dont know english and have no clue what their job is" is just amazing, do they really just hire random bums on the streets without looking in to what they can do first? This isn't very logical and makes you look bad, please stop. No it is very logical, GomTV runs this with blizzard, blizzard have been using this tactics for YEARS in WoW. They know that the fanbois will cheer and what not as soon as they pull a stunt like this. They always have and prob always will. ppl are naive and frankly quite stupid.
What, Blizzard's been racist for YEARS in WoW and they know the fanboy's will cheer as soon as they pull a stunt like this?
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I am totally confused by the racism discussion lol
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people asking about re-streaming the stream you get if you pay are obviously not interested in getting e-Sport going and don't care about supporting it.
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Thanks for the update on whats happening over the TorcH. I was beginning to wonder what prompted the abrupt change in policy. Good luck in your matches as well, I'm sure you'll kick ass and take names, especially in Ro64.
On September 04 2010 03:41 Innsmouth-Zerg wrote: people asking about re-streaming the stream you get if you pay are obviously not interested in getting e-Sport going and don't care about supporting it.
Not at all. People are just very used to the way BW pro-scene has been for basically a decade. They've forgotten what it was like in very early BW pro days where yes, non-Koreans had to pay for streams (1999/2000).
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THANK YOU TORCH!!!!! I had no idea who you were a week ago but now you're definitely one of my favorite players.
And thanks to GOMTV. I was pessimistic that anything like this would actually happen, but they listened to us and have proved that they care about what we say.
GSL HWAITING!
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On September 04 2010 03:36 andrinho wrote: I am totally confused by the racism discussion lol
Seriously! I have to pay extra if I want content from another country (i.e. sports, tv shows, etc). It's like saying "Why are the English racists against us Americans because they make me pay so I can watch their League Football?"
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hmm great news =)
& goodluck with your matches torch
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On September 04 2010 03:50 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 03:36 andrinho wrote: I am totally confused by the racism discussion lol Seriously! I have to pay extra if I want content from another country (i.e. sports, tv shows, etc). It's like saying "Why are the English racists against us Americans because they make me pay so I can watch their League Football?"
Japan is really into baseball but they still have to pay a premium for MLB. Its not racism, its standard business practice, charge those outside your country more money because you can.
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kGold wrote:
What, Blizzard's been racist for YEARS in WoW and they know the fanboy's will cheer as soon as they pull a stunt like this?
So are your IQ at a negative level or are you just trolling?
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guarantee that OSL/MSL/Proleague arnt going anywhere and then i will agree that they do CARE and LISTEN and all that other flowery bullshit
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On September 04 2010 03:54 SuperGnu wrote:Show nested quote +kGold wrote:
What, Blizzard's been racist for YEARS in WoW and they know the fanboy's will cheer as soon as they pull a stunt like this? So are your IQ at a negative level or are you just trolling?
Read the past few posts, we are discussing against your comment about GOMTV being racist for charging international viewers, which is the silly statement of yours I made a comment on. I never disagreed with your suggestion of the conspiracy theory, which was your initial and only counter to me (besides insulting my IQ).
My last post was unnecessary because I was mocking your complete misunderstanding of what was going on and for that I apologize.
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i'm going to reserve applauding this placation until they show that they've truly learnt from this.
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Wow I think this is great. It shows they actually listen and care about what people think and will change if something isn't right for the community. Great job and now i get to watch the GSL
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Thanks for ending all of the qq!
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I feel bad for void ray all-ining you on ladder now.
GJ torch, im glad the meeting went well
did djwheat have any doing in this
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Canada2492 Posts
<3 u Torch
tl can be so extreme sometimes.
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Yay! Now I can look forward to the GSL again. :D
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This is a great response ... thanks to Torch and everyone who got this to happen.
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Yes , yes just another propaganda tool
If i had a shoot at geting 85k$ i would have said anything
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Thanks TorcH, I will not lie and say I've heard very much about you other than what Ive seen on Artosis' video, but you are now my second favorite player in the tourny(behind the always popular TLO). I wish you good luck and I hope you make it ti RO32 Also im now Re-Psyched for GSL.
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Awesome, thanks for that link mate. Just bought it now, £13 :D
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Thank you for taking your time instead of practice to actually post this and end the QQ on these boards.
Good luck in the tournament.
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TorcH is so manner
great post and gl in the GSL use those awesome WCG cell phone games skills to the max
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Woooo. I, too, dislike this stupid conspiracy talk of evil GOM CEOs with their mysterious Korean ways trying to rob westerners. I'm constantly amazed by the idiocy that can be found on the internets.
It definitely seems like GOM is just overwhelmed in their haste to get out of the gate with SC2 release, and perhaps should have pushed everything back a week or two. What's done is done, the current $20 stream/VOD is acceptable for season one. As a customer I expect that there will be a higher quality stream available, but understand that such things aren't easy to get going on such a large scale on short notice.
Looking forward to watching :o
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TorcH fighting ! But really dude you have to practice :D.
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hmm anyone else having trouble viewing the test streams?
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On September 04 2010 08:05 Cider wrote: hmm anyone else having trouble viewing the test streams?
they said their site will be down if you read the other post on these forums. Nothing on the site is working atm. I have been waitin 2 hours to get my verification done and all of the videos arent workin for me when they have before.
But i like this post/thread from Torch.
I think he is right.
It is not very often where a big company actually listens to everyone and compromises.
If we went to the owners of MMA and bitched about prices they would laugh and tell us to "f ck off" probably literally.. but i dont watch mma tbh i watch boxing cause if i wanted to watch white trash/minorities fight id just go to a bar/any other place that serves alcohol... im a boxing fan, i like the history/traditions/respect... i hate mma... its like a mix between pro wrestling and boxing.... One day more people will realize its all fixed. I have a friend who is a belt holder for his division and he says its all fixed, you just have to become popular and then theyll let u get a belt.
Anyways, back on topic, i think what Gom is doing is a pretty big deal, and a very good gesture to their fans. Ill pay the 20 for stream and Vods, both because i think it is fair and i appreciate the response from Gom.
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Thank you Torch. You are a hero.
So much stuff going on these days...is unbelievable...I am still concerned on how is going to end the Kespa/Blizzard issue. I hope we can hear good news from that too soon enough.
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Re-psychitudeness is rushing through my veins as we speak. I can not wait for GSL! Also Torch you rock!
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Aaaaand now I'm going to get the HD package =D
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<3 GOMTV again. <3 Torch too.
I'm glad they are listening and acting when they need to.
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gomtv apparently blocks my ip. Woo.
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Nice post, glad that gomtv is trying their hardest to help e-sports.
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I'd like to see some numbers regarding how many purchased the Premium bundle after the first night.
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I'm in! Thanks TorcH and Gom!
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will we have a live chat during the stream? :D
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Woooah. I read that whole post and thought - hm, this guy seems so rational and reasonable and articulate, what a cool guy; and then almost fell of my chair when I scrolled back to the top and saw it was TorcH! Right on!
Thanks for the update on the situation and all, everyone here really appreciates it any time someone with a bit more insider/ground-level knowledge can enlighten us. And seriously, all the best for the next month! Can't wait to see your play!
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Just bought the premium pass thing. If I'm right, I paid $20 for Live + VODs, that's a steal..
Nothing loading atm though, hopefully just temporary downtime.
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GOM IS GREAT
JUST LET THEM MAKE SOME ADDS GIVE US SC2
IF THE EVENT IS GREAT I WILL GET VOD PASS
THIS EVENT WILL OWN!
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Thank you so much Gom and TorcH. I was actually disappointed that I would have to forget my wacky sleep schedules and miss a great event. And thanks again TorcH for being dedicated to this and giving up practice time to help. Much appreciated from the entire community!
On another note- E-Sports fighting!~ I'm so excited
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Great work GomTV! Edit: <3 Gom and <3 torch!
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wow so many idiots expecting everything just handed out for free
things cost money and people dont work for free. if you wont pay the $20 (which is peanuts) for hq/vods, watch the lq. if lq is too bad quality for your spoiled ass, bad luck.
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$20 to watch the season didn't seam unreasonable at all to me. Thats only like an hour and a half of work and for the entertainment and that feel-good of supporting e-sports is plenty of bang for my buck.
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Great post, thanks for the insight.
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Where do the koreans watch the local korean broadcasted GSL?
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On September 04 2010 10:00 Sejong wrote: Just bought the premium pass thing. If I'm right, I paid $20 for Live + VODs, that's a steal..
Nothing loading atm though, hopefully just temporary downtime. $20 for approx 1 month of HD content. Sounds reasonable to me, we'll see from the production quality after tonight.. but i expect it to be pretty good
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I 100% do not understand how people can actually praise gom for charging us to view vods when we've been getting free BW for years :/ I mean, even if the price is reasonable its much more than I've paid in my years of enjoying BW. Why should I be rejoicing?
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numLoCK, this isn't network TV backed by numerous multi-billion dollar advertisers. Think a bit before judging them too harshly, even if business be business.
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Will we need GOM player to watch the games?
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in response to TorcH's OP, thanks bro thats gotten me all hyped up, I literally have nerd chills at 1am PST after waking up to get ready to check out the free stream. ^_^
EDIT: I'd imagine that yes you will need GOM player, but its a small download and I have not noticed anything wrong such as spyware, and it actually makes it even easier to get tuned in.
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I've downloaded GOM-player and signed in on GOMtv.net and I quess the free stream will be open / available shortly before the broadcast starts? As I can't find it anywhere this moment (yes, yes, I'm impatient in this case).
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On September 03 2010 23:31 gaggar wrote: So will they allow re-streaming?
That won't break their backs plus everyone gets what they want for free.
Also will they allow Youtube postings? That'll put a less stress on VOD bandwidth.
Well, will they?
I think that re-streaming of a free stream is absolutely valid.
Is like making copies of OpenTV Channels and giving them for free.
What is illegal is to charge for a free service (charge for restreaming a free stream or selling OPENTV animes that aren't copyrighted outside of japan for example)
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Actually re-streaming their free stream is probably still illegal, however, they most likely won't care or pursue it. Theres been large debates over the anime community with the distribution of fan-subbed anime. It is technically illegal if the rightful owners don't want their content redistributed, however, in most cases they have embraced it for marketing/hype etc. overseas
re-streaming the GSL's HD live/vods is another story.
edit: on another note, I'm surprised TL.net hasn't been warning/temp banning/closing threads of people blatantly shouting out that they'll be actively trying to restream the GSL prior to the free LQ stream notice or posting torrents to the VODs.
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If gomtv announces that re-streaming their free stream is not possible then for sure TL will start warning/temp banning/closing threads of people blatantly shouting out that they'll be actively trying to restream the GSL prior to the free LQ stream.
and about VOD's... well that's illegal without even thinking, since you should pay for them.
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I meant prior to GOMTV announcing their free stream when it was still $20 Live and $30 VOD
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On September 04 2010 17:30 Drakan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 23:31 gaggar wrote: So will they allow re-streaming?
That won't break their backs plus everyone gets what they want for free.
Also will they allow Youtube postings? That'll put a less stress on VOD bandwidth.
Well, will they? I think that re-streaming of a free stream is absolutely valid. Is like making copies of OpenTV Channels and giving them for free. What is illegal is to charge for a free service (charge for restreaming a free stream or selling OPENTV animes that aren't copyrighted outside of japan for example)
Or you could just read the Terms of Service and find out that it is not legal.
"Unless the user has been specifically permitted to do so in a separate agreement with 'Gretech', the user agrees not to modify, rent, lend, sell, distribute all the contents (all or parts of it) related to the 'Services' and cannot create a secondary content based on the contents."
Additionally, the only way that Gom knows if you are watching the stream is if you use Gom, so why anyone would want to damage the numbers by restreaming is beyond me. In the case of OGN/MBC streams, there was no alternative, and they didn't care about foreign hits. It's important to have representation so they can provide a better service.
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Oh yeah! $$$
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Nothing wrong with the solution - if the quality is good and the games are great, why not pay for a good HQ-Stream of VODs (even tough the its overpriced, but as Torch said, its their first try)? A free stream is all I was asking for so thanks GomTV for providing this to us!
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uh... they also upped stream quality? from 250/500 first to 300/500 and now website says 450/650? nice ^.^
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At $20 i almost consider buying the season ticket. I would definitely get it at $10.
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On September 04 2010 17:59 logicalmayhem wrote:http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/live/ has the most awesome feature when you click to watch the stream it tells you how many hours/min untill it will be up. fricken awesome work gomtv
lol, or just look one inch to the left. :p
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On September 04 2010 17:58 Groceryheist wrote: At $20 i almost consider buying the season ticket. I would definitely get it at $10.
Yea, same thoughts here. I might end up buying it at 20 anyway.
I bought the 2 dollar day pass and will decide from that.
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On September 04 2010 17:58 mahrgell wrote: uh... they also upped stream quality? from 250/500 first to 300/500 and now website says 450/650? nice ^.^
i just saw this, its quite impressive, i will wait to see how it looks live
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i wonder how will we watch the stream using gom player. any idea guys?
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yes you are required to download the GOM player to watch the games live
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I like how you slyly weaved "support for HandsomeNerd" into this!
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On September 04 2010 18:08 pinkranger15 wrote: i wonder how will we watch the stream using gom player. any idea guys? In the past there was a link on their website that opened your GOM player. Will likely be here: http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/live/
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On September 04 2010 18:21 Aesop wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 18:08 pinkranger15 wrote: i wonder how will we watch the stream using gom player. any idea guys? In the past there was a link on their website that opened your GOM player. Will likely be here: http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/live/
ow. ok, thanks! :D
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Thanks for the information. Nice to get in-depth with the staffing issue.
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I'm so pumped for this, five minutes~~!!
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WTF, I bought the 1 season and I can't watch the HQ stream. It say that I have to buy it :-\ WHICH I DID!
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I'm officially annoyed that they opened up the free stream. freaking site is lagging to all hell cause of so many people
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The quality on the HD is utter shit... I am very disappointed. Giant pixels across the screen.. nowhere near HD every time the camera moves I can't see anything. o.o
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On September 04 2010 19:04 Lighioana wrote: WTF, I bought the 1 season and I can't watch the HQ stream. It say that I have to buy it :-\ WHIC I DID!
Same thing is happening to me.
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wtf is this concert shit...
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and the HQ stream is very choppy
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Bah was hoping the HD would be good :/ Am going free today but was hoping for some good input here from the people paying for it
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thanks a lot for this thread, very clarifying. gl in the tourney, dude!
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i waited all night for this and now i cant even watch it its lagging so hard =\ i am not happy with gom in the slightest.
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On September 04 2010 19:05 mikesaysno wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 19:04 Lighioana wrote: WTF, I bought the 1 season and I can't watch the HQ stream. It say that I have to buy it :-\ WHIC I DID! Same thing is happening to me.
Yeah to me too and it is just annoying as hell....!!!
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Wow...Gomtv needs more bandwidth for the site...
and why do I have to sign up to view a free stream?
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On September 04 2010 19:08 Nickgazord wrote: i waited all night for this and now i cant even watch it its lagging so hard =\ i am not happy with gom in the slightest.
You should be unhappy with all the people who made them run a free stream when they were limiting viewers for a reason.
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screw it, anyone have the URL for the freestream?
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BTW once I got past the hour long wait for their website to load and got it loaded in my GOM player, the HQ stream is running completely laglessly for me, and it's about the quality i expected for 650kbps (aka averageish)
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This has got to be the worst high quality stream I have ever payed 20 bucks for. I think it has about 10X10 pixel resolution. Unbelievable. I don't know whether to blame gomtv or all the people who bitched and moaned and demanded a free stream.
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You cant even register on their website anymore, as in you cant login to watch the stream. It buggs out and their website is under very very much strain atm.... Disapointed to say the least...
I always looked up to GomTV as one of the better networks covering SC, but now I dont know. Didnt they have time to prepare for this?
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haha i didnt want a free stream just a cheaper stream... which i got... haha =/.
Ya i can see that there are people... and when he stands still i can see faces... but other than that its like watching people who live in snes lol.
ya... all you are missing right now... a concert... right now there is the asian version of the pussycat dolls... i wish i could see their faces so i would know if they are attractive in the face also...
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This stream is like watching fucking legos, they can definitely do better than this with a free stream. This is just unwatchable
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good thing i paid money..i cant even access the site
refund plz
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For everyone interested, this is what $20 gets you:
At least its not annoyingly choppy/laggy.
Oh, wait...
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no way these chicks are actually singing... or they sound phenominal live... their harmonies are perfect nonstop...
and every1 crying about their 20 and getting a stream u cant actually see...
remember you get all the match vods... are you really that upset that your missing a concert in a language you dont speak?
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On September 04 2010 19:14 mnofstl007 wrote: no way these chicks are actually singing... or they sound phenominal live... their harmonies are perfect nonstop...
Haha yeah I agree lol
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oh man im just curious how this will be ingame....
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My premium ticket is gone, what is this : /
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Love you! <3 But yeah, HQ looks not much better than LQ. That being said i'm fine with LQ being LQ because its free, obviously. Just sucks that I had to get this VLC player link because the site is too laggy to log in.
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VLC stream method totally fine, no lag at all. Even better than the Intel Classic streams last year.
Free steam here BTW. Dunno what you guys are complaining about, this is going on flawlessly.
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This is what is known as a complete, utter, absolute disaster.
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Free stream choking to death...
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its really not that bad... when it is just staring at a single person and not shooting around all over the room.. im sure the games will be MUCH better, right now its just all the moving and jerking thats making it crappy looking.
Right now its not bad at all.. just watching a channel on a tv with bunny ears is kinda what it feels like haha
worth my 20 imo... especially once i can watch the vods.
oo and it took my 5-10 attempts to get onto the site and then onto the stream haha but i had 4 browsers all trying refreshing them all lol
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thank god i can hardly access their site from the traffic. video stream quality is quite good for me I get well over 1000Kbps on their bandwidth tester
edit: came home 15 mins late, did I miss anything yet?
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Lol can someone even log in ? They are not supporting Chrome so I switched to IE and now it says that "we cannot find your emai...." just great........
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Looks like extremely amateurish stuff from GOMTV so far, just like it used to be when they casted BW.
Hopefully this goes better next times but I can't even log in to their site, and the pages litterally take ages to load.
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On September 04 2010 19:17 JimmyHollow wrote: Lol can someone even log in ? They are not supporting Chrome so I switched to IE and now it says that "we cannot find your emai...." just great........
I had the same problem. Firefox worked for me though
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Koreans look even more the same at this bitrate
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On September 04 2010 19:18 PoP wrote: Looks like extremely amateurish stuff from GOMTV so far, just like it used to be when they casted BW.
Hopefully this goes better next times but I can't even log in to their site, and the pages litterally take ages to load.
That's what happens when thousand's of people bitch about something they don't fully understand and force a company to provide a service beyond its means
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On September 04 2010 19:17 mrgoochio wrote:thank god i can hardly access their site from the traffic. video stream quality is quite good for me I get well over 1000Kbps on their bandwidth tester edit: came home 15 mins late, did I miss anything yet?
you missed a korean punk band... and then the korean version of the pussycat dolls... who were lip synching... but good lookin i think.
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Woot! Much obliged, good sir!
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That's LQ.
it's not too bad as long as nothing moves.
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lol the HQ one is starting to do the
"omfg get this fat guy off of me..." stuttering hahahah
oo its mike morheim... we can see him perfectly yet i didnt see one of those korean dancers' faces... just my luck
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It's really not that bad.... I think it's on par or even better then ESL or MLG stream. For the free side anyway.
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poor blizzard guy.... i guess he knows whats going on ^^
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...something I just realized...The GSL is going until Oct. 2nd.
Patch 1.1 comes out mid September. That'll be interesting.
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lol the blizzard guy reading a text
so bad
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On September 04 2010 19:19 mnofstl007 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 19:17 mrgoochio wrote:thank god i can hardly access their site from the traffic. video stream quality is quite good for me I get well over 1000Kbps on their bandwidth tester edit: came home 15 mins late, did I miss anything yet? you missed a korean punk band... and then the korean version of the pussycat dolls... who were lip synching... but good lookin i think. korean pussy cat dolls? which group?
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Corhellion wrote: ...something I just realized...The GSL is going until Oct. 2nd.
Patch 1.1 comes out mid September. That'll be interesting.
Prob wont change in the tournament.
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On September 04 2010 19:23 101TFP wrote: lol the blizzard guy reading a text
so bad
the blizzard guy...
is the founder of blizzard haha
@ mrgoochio - lol idk who they are... i dont keep up with korean musicians and their names... they were like 8 korean girls who danced around in skimpy clothes and lipsynching to an actually kind of pretty song.... but they sounded WAAAYYY too good while dancing to be actually singing. the punk band actually sang... i just dont know what language it was in...
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On September 04 2010 19:21 Corhellion wrote: ...something I just realized...The GSL is going until Oct. 2nd.
Patch 1.1 comes out mid September. That'll be interesting. you think that there going to be playing on the same servers? nope. there on LAN and thus is the patch
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it doesnt seem to acknowledge that i purchased a ticket, wrote a support mail but wtf
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marshmallow....? for those of you in the stream, you know what I mean.
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Oh wow, I didn't know I would be getting to see Marshmellow! What a treat
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whoah... when the lights trip out my stream is just like "holy shit... were going dooowwwnnn"
wtf is marshmellow.... asian girls dressed like they are swedish girls... wtf... n2m they are KILLING MY STREAM
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my vlc stream just stopped? anyone else having that problem?
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anyone being able to log-in in explorer ?
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Ive tryed to sign up and give them money last night but it never let me log in =/ do they want money or not wth.
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lol my stream is screaming "JUST STFU AND GET OFF STAGE! YOUR KILLING ME !!!!!!"
i keep hearing dude voices.. but im abou 65% sure they are all chicks.... tho tbh they could all be dudes... i couldnt tell atm tbh..... my stream is having a stroke currently.
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The fact that these girls fill one pixel makes them SOOO HOT. It leaves so much up to the imagination.
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i'm missing marshmellows...
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On September 04 2010 19:27 Jandos wrote: anyone being able to log-in in explorer ?
Nope, only Firefox and Chrome, and can only access stream from Firefox [my experience anyway]
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Vlc stream stopped for me around the Korean girls singing twice now, they need a nerf bat.
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vlc stopped working for me also
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The stream looks really good for a free stream in my GOM player to me. What the hell is everyone talking about.
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VLC working again for me.
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looks like audio is the only thing working for me now...
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now the swedish dressed asian girls have pompoms...
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HQ Stream has still been seamless for me, but it is a bit blocky when there is a lot of movement going on. I predict that it will be pretty nice quality in game though.
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Listen I don't know much about this Starcraft game but I am a Marshmallow fan from America and I am pissed that my steam is broken, it's so rare that I get to see them perform live
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lololol this guys ... hahaha
im loving Korean rap from now on xDD
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Those rappers are ballers
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On September 04 2010 19:31 43t9fisldjfdsfqo9rg3 wrote: Listen I don't know much about this Starcraft game but I am a Marshmallow fan from America and I am pissed that my steam is broken, it's so rare that I get to see them perform live
haha nice username. But yeah you are missing out!
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streams up.. bunch of doods now
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wtf... you guys are seeing stuff be4 me... im still on the pompom part stfu about rappers lol i havent seen them yet you should be speaking in spoilers lol....
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OK , YO ! CHECK IT (or shake it ?) ! EVERYBOODY !!
srsly rofling right now
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so like, when is starcraft?
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starcraft?.... didnt any1 tell u... the matches were canceled this is just a concert now.
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This stuff all sounds the same, does German sound to you non-familiars like that, too? ^^
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On September 04 2010 19:33 Cell.cell wrote: so like, when is starcraft? + 1000
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On September 04 2010 19:33 Cell.cell wrote: so like, when is starcraft?
Koreans always have lots of music and stuff before games get started. You will learn to love it =D
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wtf why is my stream behind every1 else? im the HQ stream but the rappers havent said a word yet on mine...
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Is tasteless casting today? IF so.. do I have to buy a HD pass or will it be on LQ?
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On September 04 2010 19:33 Cell.cell wrote: so like, when is starcraft? Seriously? Who needs starcraft when you can have korean rap! As long as streams working and starcraft is eventually coming, i'll be pretty happy.
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lol wtf dj doc bounce wid me fo sho
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On September 04 2010 19:34 mnofstl007 wrote: wtf why is my stream behind every1 else? im the HQ stream but the rappers havent said a word yet on mine... yeah my gf said dj doc was on a few minutes b4 i even heard a peep
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SCV bounce SCV, SCV bounce SVC bounce.
There is a pretty large public for a new game, very satisfying.
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this 2nd guy is like the Korean Pitbull...
these guys arent bad...
but i still wanna know why my HQ stream is 2-3 minutes behind others...
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On September 04 2010 19:36 mnofstl007 wrote: this 2nd guy is like the Korean Pitbull...
LOL, I was JUST thinking that!
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On September 04 2010 19:35 rupert wrote: SCV bounce SCV, SCV bounce SVC bounce.
There is a pretty large public for a new game, very satisfying. maybe they are there for the.. uhm.. interesting music.
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On September 04 2010 19:36 mnofstl007 wrote: this 2nd guy is like the Korean Pitbull... u mean pitbull is the mexican version of korean jin do ke
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On September 04 2010 19:36 mnofstl007 wrote: this 2nd guy is like the Korean Pitbull...
Haha, very nice.
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Good lord, why can't other countries pick up on the good parts of American music scene? I'm tying my noose right now
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will free steam have english caster?
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On September 04 2010 19:35 mrgoochio wrote: lol wtf dj doc bounce wid me fo sho i stood up and started bouncing tbh ...
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On September 04 2010 19:38 Cell.cell wrote: Good lord, why can't other countries pick up on the good parts of American music scene? I'm tying my noose right now
There are good parts of the American music scene?
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On September 04 2010 19:38 Cade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 19:38 Cell.cell wrote: Good lord, why can't other countries pick up on the good parts of American music scene? I'm tying my noose right now There are good parts of the American music scene?
Stephen Sondheim.
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prize poll of 2,000,000,000 lol
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On September 04 2010 19:37 mrgoochio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 19:36 mnofstl007 wrote: this 2nd guy is like the Korean Pitbull... u mean pitbull is the mexican version of korean jin do ke
lol yes thats what i meant...
its kinda funny watching this... im listening like in my head they are black... and then i look...
3 koreans ... 2 dressed like wanna be thugs and one in like .. punk rock/pop jonas brother clothes..
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On September 04 2010 19:39 Ianuus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 19:38 Cade wrote:On September 04 2010 19:38 Cell.cell wrote: Good lord, why can't other countries pick up on the good parts of American music scene? I'm tying my noose right now There are good parts of the American music scene? Stephen Sondheim.
Ok truth, I'll give you that one! =D
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Flame on TorcH, flame on.
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"Starcraft old gamers" and then Grrrr... shows up
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Why the fuck am I still awake at 7am...
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wtf why is 1 line of the chorus in all of these songs english and the rest in korean...
im like "no they ARE speaking english.... o wait no they arent.... damn choppy stream..."
the dude in the white doo rag looks like Gohan when he dresses as The Great SayaMan... the hat with the glasses... its all i can picture...
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Roffles' stream is apparently way better quality than both the free/HQ ones everyone else has, not sure what the deal is. Anyway just a heads up.
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On September 04 2010 19:42 Nexic wrote: Roffles' stream is apparently way better quality than both the free/HQ ones everyone else has, not sure what the deal is. Anyway just a heads up.
Yeah his stream is about the same quality as the HQ one is for me.
Edit) except mine is less choppy
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There's no way to get the HQ stream into VLC, is there?
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Wonder where Tasteless and Artosis are...
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HQ does not work for me at all (cannot connect to streaming server) SQ works
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ok ... IDRA FIGHTIIIIING !!!
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I'm pretty sure that lady was wearing a white dress before
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Oh ok. People in the chat saying they have the HQ one and it's not as good D:
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200 million...
i will never understand foreign currencies...
seriously... do they have 1 million dollar.... coins/paper ?
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Cade...ya...I was thinking the same thing.
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Pretty tricky of her I must say
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On September 04 2010 19:46 mnofstl007 wrote: 200 million...
i will never understand foreign currencies...
seriously... do they have 1 million dollar.... coins/paper ? Yeah, they have 1 million dollar bills.
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On September 04 2010 19:46 mnofstl007 wrote: 200 million...
i will never understand foreign currencies...
seriously... do they have 1 million dollar.... coins/paper ? 1 euro is 1510 korean wons so 200 000 000 is around 133 000 euros
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On September 04 2010 19:48 Badjez. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 19:46 mnofstl007 wrote: 200 million...
i will never understand foreign currencies...
seriously... do they have 1 million dollar.... coins/paper ? Yeah, they have 1 million dollar bills.
sry...
do they have 1million... wateverthefuq their currencie is called... paper/coins
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hq stream is working for me now, it is significantly higher resolution, dont know about the bitrate though...
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GOMTV doing damage control because they almost lost heir SC2 contract ^^
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yay I see Tasteless and Artosis!!
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On September 04 2010 19:50 pecore wrote: hq stream is working for me now, it is significantly higher resolution, dont know about the bitrate though...
oo cool so it will get a lot better lookin for the matches? coo cause right now its like every1 talking needs speech therapy..even the singers... its soooooo choppy for me
houston we have a problem
STREAM DOWN STREAM DOWN AAHHHH i havent even got to see tastosis yet... aahhhh
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VLC stream link down again?
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I think *everything's* down.
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On September 04 2010 19:49 ksn wrote: hq working for anyone?
yes but it doesnt look much better. When things start moving its terrible ;]
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On September 04 2010 19:53 Darkside- wrote: I think *everything's* down.
Naw my stream is still working
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My VLC stream diededed :{
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im getting sound for .5 seconds every 1-15 seconds now... and a black screen =/.
and i paid for Hq..... least i get the vods...
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There we go, it's working now...
TASTELESS AND ARTOSIS! :D
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oo woot now it is working and looks amazing...
seriously tho from now on can any1 who sees the match please write anything regarding the match in spoilers....
some streams are 5-10 mins delayed...
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Lol, tasteless sounds so ferocious when commentating! I love it
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ew.. they r wearing blizzard shirts...
i liked the lavender buttonup shirt haha
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IDRA AND ARTOSIS ON EG LOL?
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wait lol team EG? doesn't he like not get along with atleast 2 of there players?
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Again....
Where is the preparation from GomTV? '-_-
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noooo stream down... it was lookin so amazing...
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in-game stream quality on LQ is still pretty awesome
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It keeps goin out, then when I reload it, it starts like 5 minutes back in time. That's right BACK IN TIME
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Is the HQ stream up and only the LQ down, or how is it going? My LQ stream dies all the time, n I think of purchasing the ticket.
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Does it keep going down for all you HQ people out there too?
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wth is observer looking at
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WTF is the dude with the mouse doing?
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Why is he watching the hatchery build time?
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will free steam have english caster?
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...observer epic fail...wow...
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On September 04 2010 20:05 jaw wrote: will free steam have english caster?
yes
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nice view of Idra's hatch, wtf.
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GG GomTV, no doubt, wtf is this.... not worth watching sry. Come back in 10 years for SC3.
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So, incase you were worrying about the quality, the person with the camera ingame isn't actually doing anything.
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oh ffs...is terran going 5 rax reaper?
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On September 04 2010 20:05 Corhellion wrote: ...observer epic fail...wow...
^
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I have a feeling Artosis is the one streaming and he doesn't realize it maybe?
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I don't want to start raging but who is managing the camera? he is just watching the corner of the map....
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Artosis doesn't know that it's on his camera. =(
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Seriously?
Why D
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On September 04 2010 20:07 Cryptic wrote: Artosis doesn't know that it's on his camera. =(
that some nice cliffs :| at least it can only get better from here.
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tasteless & artosis is a beast*
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oh my...Idra is pulling a David Kim, MASS BANELINGS. :D
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Rofl OOOOOOOOOOOH fungal growth both at the same time :D
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look slike tasteless is controlling the foreign stream observer cam
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The In game quality is good, but the camera man needs some work. and needs to slow down his scroll speed
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Tasteless is just so used to follow random observers and commentating on what he sees. I wonder if his inexperiece of obs:ing himself makes this as it is, bad.
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Can someone please post a link to the english livestream? I'm real interested.
Thanks in advance.
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VLC URL -. edited
User was temp banned for this post.
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did tasteless just say idra is proud to be a member of EG?
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How do I open that dodledodido?
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You copy the link, then you press CTRL + V in VLC,
VLC is hell of alot easier and better than GomPlayer tbf. Also GomTV is overloaded atm.
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noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo stream down for everyone?
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bah... they casters have it backwards.... Artosis had control of what we saw... not Tasteless...
and now my gom just skipped the entire first match.... some1 pm me who won... wtf.
wow Again they are not controlling the observer... we are staring at useless nothingness... aahhhh seriously why cant some1 tell them to fix this obvious easy thing
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On September 04 2010 20:17 mnofstl007 wrote: bah... they casters have it backwards.... Artosis had control of what we saw... not Tasteless...
and now my gom just skipped the entire first match.... some1 pm me who won... wtf.
wow Again they are not controlling the observer... we are staring at useless nothingness... aahhhh seriously why cant some1 tell them to fix this obvious easy thing same for me....
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On September 04 2010 20:17 mnofstl007 wrote: bah... they casters have it backwards.... Artosis had control of what we saw... not Tasteless...
and now my gom just skipped the entire first match.... some1 pm me who won... wtf.
wow Again they are not controlling the observer... we are staring at useless nothingness... aahhhh seriously why cant some1 tell them to fix this obvious easy thing its in my spoiler on last page or w/e
heres another one + Show Spoiler +idra quick 1-0 over his opponent
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Stream is down again...they need to fix that for future games...
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working again for me, but now the music is so loud! its hard to hear them
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Oh the guy who helped me got temp banned? It's illegal?
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On September 04 2010 20:20 Lowko wrote: Oh the guy who helped me got temp banned? It's illegal?
yes. and every1 knew this beforehand... the admins were very clear. no1 is supposed to be restreaming this, Teamliquid had an agreement with Gom already. Gom said "please dont restream, we are not letting anyone else" so people r getting banned atm.
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wooooooah !!!
god daaamn ! that was PIMP
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Oh I didn't know that, sorry.
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On September 04 2010 20:19 mrgoochio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 20:17 mnofstl007 wrote: bah... they casters have it backwards.... Artosis had control of what we saw... not Tasteless...
and now my gom just skipped the entire first match.... some1 pm me who won... wtf.
wow Again they are not controlling the observer... we are staring at useless nothingness... aahhhh seriously why cant some1 tell them to fix this obvious easy thing its in my spoiler on last page or w/e heres another one + Show Spoiler +idra quick 1-0 over his opponent
thank u for putting spoilers. appreciate it.
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So, how do I watch this stream? I can't figure it out it seems.
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Well,I don't care about the stream anymore. Just wonder if there will be replays?
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On September 04 2010 20:25 bonedriven wrote: Well,I don't care about the stream anymore. Just wonder if there will be replays?
only if u payed the 20. if not, no.
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dude , that was super easy : O
GG
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On September 04 2010 20:25 mnofstl007 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 20:25 bonedriven wrote: Well,I don't care about the stream anymore. Just wonder if there will be replays? only if u payed the 20. if not, no.
If you are joking,it is not funny.
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On September 04 2010 20:28 Simiard wrote: Very quality game. Much more exciting than I was expecting
Really? Those looked like mediocre, completely one-sided games to me.
Probably because IdrA is leagues better tho.
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uggh... I've totally missed 2 matches now, with the stream delaying, then skipping forward. Awesome $20 well spent
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On September 04 2010 20:30 ScreaM-tHE wrote: uggh... I've totally missed 2 matches now, with the stream delaying, then skipping forward. Awesome $20 well spent
dont sweat. u get access to the vods. the rest of the world doesnt. its still 20 well spent imo.
i would be PISSED if i didnt have access to the vods... but trying to watch the stream im gettin about 1/4 of the match... ill just stay off of TL.net for a week... have my buddy come over next weekend and rewatch it all up to that point. but with that... im off. enjoy the matches every1.
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Amazing production and stream quality, Gom. Well done!
Shelling out the extra 20 because I'm so impressed with the production quality (Great casters, great camera work, excellent transitions between games..etc)
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Doesn't seem to be many players I know until Monday. when Cool and SlayerS are playing.
After that, Tester, Artosis, and Rainbow all play on Wednesday.
Then my man TheLittleOne is playing on Thursday.
Then Jaedong/Flash are playing next Friday in Brood War.
Can anyone point out any other significant players playing this week?
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I started watching the VOD's over at GomTV. After I watched the first match it told me I needed to buy a season ticket.
Teasers really makes me unwilling to pay for stuff. If you would have just said straight away "You have to purchase a seasonal ticket to watch VOD'S" I would have done it in a heartbeat but now you let me watch the 1st game for free and then tell me I have to pay. Basically the purpose of these kind of teasers is to make people so frustrated about getting to watch the 1st game but not the 2nd that they feel they HAVE to buy it.
It just feels slightly dishonest and "money-hungry".
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Many internetz for you dear sir!
I'm psyched again after watching the first couple of games.
Well put post, and good luck in the tournament!
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On September 06 2010 02:38 Alkro wrote: I started watching the VOD's over at GomTV. After I watched the first match it told me I needed to buy a season ticket.
Teasers really makes me unwilling to pay for stuff. If you would have just said straight away "You have to purchase a seasonal ticket to watch VOD'S" I would have done it in a heartbeat but now you let me watch the 1st game for free and then tell me I have to pay. Basically the purpose of these kind of teasers is to make people so frustrated about getting to watch the 1st game but not the 2nd that they feel they HAVE to buy it.
It just feels slightly dishonest and "money-hungry".
That's odd. I think a lot of people would rather have one free vod than none at all. Perhaps the idea is to give one free to show you the production quality and let you see the video quality, etc before you buy. Plus, it's not like they've surprised anyone. It's plastered all over their website (and this one) that you need to pay for VODs. I dunno how you managed to not find that out earlier.
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On September 06 2010 02:47 Cider wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 02:38 Alkro wrote: I started watching the VOD's over at GomTV. After I watched the first match it told me I needed to buy a season ticket.
Teasers really makes me unwilling to pay for stuff. If you would have just said straight away "You have to purchase a seasonal ticket to watch VOD'S" I would have done it in a heartbeat but now you let me watch the 1st game for free and then tell me I have to pay. Basically the purpose of these kind of teasers is to make people so frustrated about getting to watch the 1st game but not the 2nd that they feel they HAVE to buy it.
It just feels slightly dishonest and "money-hungry". That's odd. I think a lot of people would rather have one free vod than none at all. Perhaps the idea is to give one free to show you the production quality and let you see the video quality, etc before you buy. Plus, it's not like they've surprised anyone. It's plastered all over their website (and this one) that you need to pay for VODs. I dunno how you managed to not find that out earlier.
There is no information what so ever that you have to pay for all VOD's until you lick [set 2].
gomtv.com, click sc2 banner, bam VOD's are on the frontpage and no info about having to pay until you click set 2.
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GomTV.com is all in korean. I can't read korean so i don't know what it says, but for the english website (www.gomtv.net), you're right. My bad. I thought I remembered it being more explicit on the homepage about it.
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Does anyone know if the VODs are downloadable? If I pay for a season pass, can a FireFox plugin (one of the youtube downloaders, presumably) see the VOD fetch within their flash player and download it to my computer, so I can upload it to my phone and watch it when I have time?
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I'm your number 1 fan, TorcH :DD
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On September 08 2010 22:54 NevilleS wrote: Does anyone know if the VODs are downloadable? If I pay for a season pass, can a FireFox plugin (one of the youtube downloaders, presumably) see the VOD fetch within their flash player and download it to my computer, so I can upload it to my phone and watch it when I have time?
I am not sure if you can, there does seem to be an url there, but I don't have a season pass so I can't test it (wrong key). I found an url using "Flash and video download" add-on for Firefox, if it works I don't know.
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Thanks for the excellent post.
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On September 08 2010 23:33 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 22:54 NevilleS wrote: Does anyone know if the VODs are downloadable? If I pay for a season pass, can a FireFox plugin (one of the youtube downloaders, presumably) see the VOD fetch within their flash player and download it to my computer, so I can upload it to my phone and watch it when I have time? I am not sure if you can, there does seem to be an url there, but I don't have a season pass so I can't test it (wrong key). I found an url using "Flash and video download" add-on for Firefox, if it works I don't know. Hmm... sounds promising at least. Thanks. If anyone does have a pass and can verify for me, that would be stellar.
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WTB HQ VOD (Literally!!!)
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I do kinda wish there were HQ VODS since I can't always watch the live event
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Indeed, the HQ stream is actually decent quality, but the vods are still pretty poor.
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This is what happens when Blizzard screw things up.
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