EPTOn September 01 2010 12:15 dacthehork wrote:
How can you sound this intelligent and be stuck in bronze?
How can you sound this intelligent and be stuck in bronze?
bnet drop, soft crashes, and bsod baby, im never getting out of silver
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eth3n
718 Posts
bnet drop, soft crashes, and bsod baby, im never getting out of silver | ||
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Okor
14 Posts
TL;DR Was the OP really asking for help? I think you guys missed the point of his post. Evolution of the Bronze League meta-game is cool. | ||
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RodrigoX
United States645 Posts
On September 01 2010 12:33 ltortoise wrote: Mechanics. I spent my first 100 games in the beta in copper, back when copper still existed. I was so excited to play SC2 when I heard about the beta that I tried getting into brood war during my wait. I massed games of brood war. Played hundreds. Never made it past D- on iccup. Of course, it also occurred to me that many of the D and above level brood war players had been playing brood war for...Quite some time! My mechanics in SC2 were also my limiting factor. It's easy to be limited by mechanics. Intelligence and mechanics have nothing to do with each other, but BOTH are requisite for high level play. I would disagree really. Like if your smart or try to get better, you just shouldnt be in bronze. With intelligence it seems just a logical step to be able to execute things well enough to make it into Gold at least. I mean its all just logical steps to say, "I want to win. How can I win better." And then improvement ensues. And if you think that, and then put it into practice I mean no reason what soever you couldnt improve. Speed would just come with time of knowing what your doing. Fuck, you could click on all the icons, but if your smart you could get to Diamond. Im not saying you suck, but I am just letting you know, that you are not putting your ability to write intelligently to good use, by just thinking about Starcraft and getting better. | ||
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ltortoise
633 Posts
On September 01 2010 12:40 RodrigoX wrote: I would disagree really. Like if your smart or try to get better, you just shouldnt be in bronze. With intelligence it seems just a logical step to be able to execute things well enough to make it into Gold at least. I mean its all just logical steps to say, "I want to win. How can I win better." And then improvement ensues. And if you think that, and then put it into practice I mean no reason what soever you couldnt improve. Speed would just come with time of knowing what your doing. Fuck, you could click on all the icons, but if your smart you could get to Diamond. Im not saying you suck, but I am just letting you know, that you are not putting your ability to write intelligently to good use, by just thinking about Starcraft and getting better. Don't know why you are quoting me. I am not the OP. Also, I am not in gold. I'm diamond (whatever that means). I said my my first 100 games were in copper. I didn't say I stayed there. | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
Just 4gate, 3rax, or 1base muta and do the same thing every game and you'll get to at least gold. Just watch a replay and copy it. User was warned for this post | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
On September 01 2010 12:12 sabre_X wrote:This creates a problem for me as a player who likes to rush, sieze an advantage and then keep pushing. It seems that the game is now more about macro and patience, no one is willing to take any risks, just mass a big blob and wait. This raises red flags for me. It's really easy to get a big advantage and continually throw it away with misguided attacks. Without watching your replays I can't say much, but if you feel like you're just throwing your units into a wall continually until your oppenent pushes and kilss you, you need to stop tossing your units away. If your opponent wants to turtle, deny his expansion, expand yourself, get your production up, get maxed, and either wait for him to come to you, or roll him over with your huge macro advantage. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On September 01 2010 12:44 iEchoic wrote: I'm going to have to jump on the bandwagon here. I don't get how you can be a functioning, intelligent human being and be stuck in bronze with 100+ games. You can do literally anything and get out of bronze. I have a friend whose strategy is to rush two-robo mass immortal and he just got to plat. Just 4gate, 3rax, or 1base muta and do the same thing every game and you'll get to at least gold. Just watch a replay and copy it. Not if hes simply not trying hard enough on mechanics. Some people just think 'i'll do some rush and be a baller!' or 'I'll harass like a boss!' instead of just thinking ' IM GONNA GET A TON OF CRAP AND FUCK THIS GUYS FACE' some of the people that cant get out of bronze are the ones too obsessed with tactics, build orders, harass and micro to simply macro and win. At bronze you dont even need a BO, just see what your opponents doing, expand if he doesnt have enough shit to kill you, make more unit producing structures if he does, and just constantly keep making units. that is literally enough to get you into gold at least User was warned for this post | ||
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vileChAnCe
Canada525 Posts
Starcraft 2 is a game of FOTM, the rate of which people adopt what they see is alarming, QXC phoenixes/ Reaper Rushing / Tank Viking. These were discovered and utilized by very few people then one showmatch and boom thousands of people are using these strats non stop. I guess WoW arena's was much the same way... People discredit Bronze players or any level for that matter, they are executing their builds competently they just don't ever think outside the box or expand from their. I'd be fucking stumped if i saw a wall of spine crawlers and had no air... | ||
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ltortoise
633 Posts
On September 01 2010 12:47 TheAntZ wrote:just see what your opponents doing, expand if he doesnt have enough shit to kill you, make more unit producing structures if he does, and just constantly keep making units. Wait a second. Isn't that basically what Flash does? | ||
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DarkwindHK
Hong Kong343 Posts
All you need to advance to silver or gold is basic things like building more workers, spend your money... Things that you must have learnt if you have already played over 100 games (in 1v1). For example, if you do void ray rush every time, and spend your money fast, I think you will be out of bronze in 1 to 2 days. Its not suppose to take hundreds of games, or there is a design problem of the league system. User was warned for this post | ||
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Skeyser
Canada219 Posts
On September 01 2010 12:49 Whomp wrote: People discredit Bronze players or any level for that matter, they are executing their builds competently they just don't ever think outside the box or expand from their. I'd be fucking stumped if i saw a wall of spine crawlers and had no air... A player who execute his build competently won't be in bronze. Seriously, you can have 1 build for each match up and make it to diamond... This is assuming the build is actually decent, though | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On September 01 2010 12:49 ltortoise wrote: Wait a second. Isn't that basically what Flash does? essentially I guess, but im sure that theres a ton more people more insightful then me who can tell you exactly how much more complicated his gameplay/plan is  However doing the things i said are really easy if you just dont think about 'i want to do this cute tactic' or 'i want to open with this build and harass with my reapers' or something. When you are simply thinking 'i gotta make a ton of crap and slam it into his ass' its a lot easier to keep your money down and bust out with giant armies while your opponent stockpiles 5000/5000 while doin some dumb ghost drop | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
Interesting reflections on whats going on at this level, though. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On September 01 2010 12:40 RodrigoX wrote: I would disagree really. Like if your smart or try to get better, you just shouldnt be in bronze. With intelligence it seems just a logical step to be able to execute things well enough to make it into Gold at least. I mean its all just logical steps to say, "I want to win. How can I win better." And then improvement ensues. And if you think that, and then put it into practice I mean no reason what soever you couldnt improve. Speed would just come with time of knowing what your doing. Fuck, you could click on all the icons, but if your smart you could get to Diamond. Im not saying you suck, but I am just letting you know, that you are not putting your ability to write intelligently to good use, by just thinking about Starcraft and getting better. This is just so retarded. Beyond you using video game proficiency as a leverage against intelligence, what you actually posted just speaks poorly of your own. If your coming to SC2 from another competitive game, coming from a competitive background, with moderate proficiency, then yes, after a hundred games, if your not in gold, one might have a case against your intellect. Even when I first came to BW I got D+ extremely fast, even though I had no prior experience. And I came from WoW arenas LOL. If you've been gaming on a semi-competitive level for most of your later childhood and adult life, you've acquired the muscle memory and other skills to learn the skills, and these will make learning SC2, even from scratch, incredibly easy. However On the other hand, if you haven't if you've been playing either casual or just not competitive games (single player games, casual FPS, etc), then learning the mechanics of SC2 is going to be a challenge. Even the interface is going to confuse you. 100 games and still in bronze is easily possible. @OP Hatas gonna hate :p. | ||
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piegasm
United States266 Posts
On September 01 2010 12:38 Purind wrote: He's saying people are defending more, and thus it's harder to be aggressive. He's also saying Bronze players are somewhat more organized than before, having an actual plan and getting certain composition for certain matchups. At bronze, I would expect people doing random shit without any clue. I'd expect the turtling -> tech part, but I wouldn't things like the map trends that the OP talks about They do plenty of random stuff in my experience though I'm only around 20 bronze atm. I just had a Zerg opponent go something like 9 hatch (it was half done when my 9 scout found him) before pool and then tech straight to Ultras. Or Ultra...I should use the singular since there was exactly 1 Ultra up by the time I got through spine crawlers blocking his ramp. Pretty sure he didn't produce more than maayyyybe 20 lings even after I started rallying my zealots straight into his base. The Ultras have probably worked plenty for him in the past because his opponents didn't appreciate how vulnerable he makes himself early. On the other hand, if he had a clue he'd have known better than to continue throwing all his money at tech once I started being so aggressive. I don't think he even attempted to scout me. On the subject of map trends, I do see Terrans parking siege tanks on cliffs, Toss and Terran both going heavy air on Scrap Station. Otherwise it's mostly turtle -> tech. | ||
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Cohedra
United States51 Posts
I have friends who plain suck at this game, despite being insightful in strategy discussions within our group. I think many of you don't know what it's like to be new to a genre, game, or video games in general  .I will say it's interesting how bronze has changed, and I've noticed it myself watching my brother play. He went from being proxied or all-ined every game, to actually having a chance to tech and expand. | ||
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Gnarwhal
United States33 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Skeyser
Canada219 Posts
On September 01 2010 13:05 Cohedra wrote: The comments about the league system being broken if you're still in bronze after 100 games is lolz Are we reading the same thread? Not a single person said that the system is broken. | ||
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junemermaid
United States981 Posts
Also, if you start your post by saying "Don't want to sound like a douche, but...", chances are, you're sounding like a douche. | ||
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