EPTIn Bronze, trends are emerging - Page 3
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charlie420247
United States692 Posts
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Vz0
Canada378 Posts
On September 01 2010 12:33 ltortoise wrote: Mechanics. I spent my first 100 games in the beta in copper, back when copper still existed. I was so excited to play SC2 when I heard about the beta that I tried getting into brood war during my wait. I massed games of brood war. Played hundreds. Never made it past D- on iccup. Of course, it also occurred to me that many of the D and above level brood war players had been playing brood war for...Quite some time! My mechanics in SC2 were also my limiting factor. It's easy to be limited by mechanics. Intelligence and mechanics have nothing to do with each other, but BOTH are requisite for high level play. errrr you played 100 games and you were still in copper? -__________-" I don't think your the same "gamer" as the rest of us. User was warned for this post | ||
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Moa
United States790 Posts
On September 01 2010 12:12 sabre_X wrote: There isnt much cheese at top of bronze. I play custom games and see it all the time from platinum and diamond players. All the time. I will often times cheese bronze level player because I simply don't want to play them. You should focus on macro play, it seems like it would be easy to get into gold if you can keep your resources low and get a large army faster than your opponent. What most bronze league players do is turtle up, and try and get a 200/200 army on a single base. They wait a long time to expand and are very slow about getting a large army, if you play off of two or three bases you can easily out macro them and crush them under your boots. Many bronze players need to make the step from just trying to get a big army to trying to get a big army quickly. Then they can worry about composition, then builds, then counters, then timings and upgrades. Then they will be in platinum. User was warned for this post | ||
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eth3n
718 Posts
On September 01 2010 13:00 Half wrote: If your coming to SC2 from another competitive If you've been gaming on a semi-competitive level for most of your later childhood and adult life, you've acquired the muscle memory and other skills to learn the skills, and these will make learning SC2, even from scratch, incredibly easy. fix'd I used to be a very high level fps player, and still have great twitch at my old 20+ age (sad that being semi-pro fps is easier at 13 than at 23) and I am objectively mediocre at SC2. I think the game types require different skillsets, but then again maybe I am just old... | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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Cohedra
United States51 Posts
On September 01 2010 12:52 DarkwindHK wrote: Its not suppose to take hundreds of games, or there is a design problem of the league system. I may have worded my response poorly, as he didn't actually accuse the system of being broken. I only wanted to represent that there will always be people with a large number of games in the bottom league. In Warcraft 3 there were always people < level 10 that played 100s of games, but couldn't improve past what many considered the first noticeable division in skill. | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
EDIT: + Show Spoiler + PRESTIGIOUS zomg ty ty for reminding me | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
The highest rating for a player is 2004 points (at the time of checking) ....in bronze. lol gOnzo, I salute you. | ||
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sabre_X
11 Posts
I thank many people who appreciated my insight. A bunch of people who said that getting out of Bronze is just a matter of intelligence, I think are a bit short sighted. I am an engineer in real life, but am not a gamer. Every once in a blue moon I pick up a title and start playing, but I have no RTS background. (I was pretty scary at Unreal Tournament about 10 years ago.) A friend of mine who is a Diamond, turned me on to the game. Furthermore, the statistics show that 40-50% of people are in bronze, so being at the top of bronze puts me somewhere near the middle. I hear lots of "all you need to do is___, and you'll be in platinum". I can understand why people say this, but its a bit short sighted. There are skills you mastered during BW or WC or SC2 beta, that I don't have. My observation is that there are ALOT of players with 150+ games still stuck in Bronze. I am fortunate that I am not one of them. I hope to progress to silver within next 20 games... But the observation is that playstyle has matured in Bronze, and that getting to silver is not necessarily easy for someone who just picked up a copy in Best Buy and never played RTS before. Also, being older, I have less time and inclination to devote myself to it. There are lots of other good things in life... this is a minor pastime, but an enjoyable one. Think about this: 40-50% of people are in Bronze. Getting to silver takes a bit more than competent build order. I can say that the top bronze players are competent in their own way, and have gotten better over the month since release. Moving out of Bronze is not as easy as it was a month ago. The bar is higher (for any division). You have to progress faster than everyone else at your level to advance. While I wasn't asking for advice, I appreciate some of the good suggestions. If I had to summarize why I believe I am not in silver I would say it is because I dont have enough game knowledge, and havent practiced a wide range of options to respond to various scenarios. For instance, I opened with a 3 Raxx against a zerg on kulas ravine. He early expanded and I put the pressure on an kept knocking down his expo, but couldnt get his main. He eventually got an expo. By the time I had massed a pretty formidable MM ball, he had amassed a large amount of burrowed banelings as a defensive force. I marched my army on his expo and down went 80% of my army! The tides turned just like that! Honestly, I'm not sure what to do in that situation. Its just situational knowledge and awareness that I lack. And of course mistakes! In another game, I expanded to a rocked off area. And my main force was destroyed (as was his). I was planning on destroying the rocks at the last minute (to offer some protection to the SCVs in there, but because my force was destroyed, I couldnt get my other SCVs to the expo. There were 20 SCVs zapping the big rock. Just stupid. I had no money to build. Of course experienced players are not improvising as they go. They have a sequence already worked out. I do not. It was more like... hmm maybe I should expand.. I made the judgement to keep the rocks in place, which was a bad idea, thus I lost. Lots of things like that happen to me. Anyway, thanks for reading. | ||
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TitleRug
United States651 Posts
On September 01 2010 13:26 me_viet wrote: lol you noe wat this means guys for us old diamond leaguer right? If what OP observe is indeed correct, it means Sc2 skill level is rising. Thus, being in diamond is now more ........(fk, mind black. What's the word that means exclusive/better.. argh). prestigious ??? | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
YES OMG THAT"S THE ONE, lol i had it on the tip of my tounge but then i saw the gorilla video http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=148952 as i was typing and it was gone =[ | ||
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habermas
United Kingdom304 Posts
Think that if you expand and build more unit producing structures then even if your attack fails it will at least do some damage and you'll have enough income and production capacity to quickly recreate your army, while they won't be in this comfortable situation. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
If not, then I sort of understand. If you HAVE EVER played a touch of BW or Age of Empires then I flat out don't believe you can be both browsing TL and in Bronze after 100 games. Why don't you post a replay or two, its likely you are doing something extremely wrong. Basic macro should easily get you out of Bronze league. I have friends who never played more than a few games of SC1 in their lives and a little AOE who are now solid in platinum after me giving them a few tips. Give us some reps and we'll help you. | ||
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charlie420247
United States692 Posts
On September 01 2010 13:11 junemermaid wrote: Why are half the posts in this thread about posting a replay and evaluating games? People seriously lack reading comprehension. The OP is merely stating that he is seeing trends in the level of play within the bronze league. Also, if you start your post by saying "Don't want to sound like a douche, but...", chances are, you're sounding like a douche. well said. couldnt agree more. | ||
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blacktoss
United States121 Posts
Also, this happens in every competitive game. Just because you play a lot of games doesn't mean you'll get better. There is a difference between playing and practicing. Practice is work. It goes beyond playing. Most people who ever play chess, even enthusiasts, will get to a certain skill level and never improve, because they always play and never practice. There will be players with 1000 games in Bronze who will never leave it. User was warned for this post | ||
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DaedalusAI
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To the point that everyone should be able to get to gold in 100 games, i would dispute that comment. If that were the case then new gold divisions would pop up. Everyone is trying to climb up the ladder but there isn't room for everyone up top. I hope to hit gold myself this month and notice things i need to work on but if the people above all notice their mistakes faster, it makes bumping them harder. | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
don't care about the metagame - play a safe build and adapt... User was warned for this post | ||
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sabre_X
11 Posts
On September 01 2010 13:46 holy_war wrote: I don't know how hard it is to get outta bronze, but I may just be ignorant. A couple of my friends who have never played any kind of RTS are now in diamond, and my worst friend is in gold after around 90 games. If you take the game semi seriously and you know the basics, gold is easy as hell. Well you guys probably help each other out. How old are you? High school? College? I remember when I was in high school, I played a game of "concentration" (maybe you dont remember that old card game) with a ten year old. I had lots of other things on my mind that an 18 yo typically does, but as a ten year old, his whole "reason to be" at that instant was how to beat a teen ager. (I was preoccupied with figuring out how to get into his older sister's pants, so I wasnt playing to my full ability.) I lost. But anyway, the older you get, the more things are on your plate, and the less immediate something like SC2 seems. | ||
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