Many of you have already done this test, but still, it seems to be a valid point in sc2. How often have you not scouted looking hard for lets say a robobay and totally misses 1 or even 2 stargates? I admit, I have done that. What training can we put ourself in too, to not fall into this trap? Relaxing more and simply be aware of the issue? Having map and scout awareness is one of the most important things, but when I can get fooled so easy by this video, and also in sc2 in my experience, I simply do not know what I can work on to be better at it.
I have one idea, that is automating your macro to free your focus from it. To make an example, driving a car is actually hard in traffic, but over the years the driving gets as easy and automatic as walking the sideway. So one solution might be to just automate your macro and playstyle so you can free your focus up and notice all the different aspect of the game.
It would be helpful if you gave me some insight into this, as I often find myself in this trap of focusing hard on spawning larva, spreading creep and getting drones and expansions up. I have sometimes even scouted his entire bio army, and not done a single thing about it, like making a banelings and infestors, granted this is not something that happens often, but sometimes my mind just goes into lockdown. I also failed in the videotest above lol, only knowing how many passes and did not see any gorilla or anything else.
On August 31 2010 20:26 Mortician wrote: I never scout like that. When I scout I often ask myself the question "what do I see?" that way I dont miss much
I knew there would be a gorilla because I read about it before. This is the first time I actually watch it and saw the gorilla. Therefore even if you scout for the robobay, since you already know about the gates you should be able to spot them. Or maybe not but it feels natural to me.
I think you should not expect to see things... I never had this problem and cant you look at the base later to see any buildings that you might have missed?
I think what you're saying is, once the basics are second nature to you, you'll notice more when you scout. I'd have to agree with that. The less you have to consciously remind yourself to spawn larva, the more room there will be in your head (so to speak) for interpreting what your scouts see.
I've noticed that myself the more I play. At first, simply making units constantly required so much of my concentration that I was lucky to even remember to check on my scout before it died, let alone make any sense of what I saw. As time goes by, the basics require less focus and I can check on my scout and understand what I see a lot better.
I saw the Gorilla and the curtain but i missed the person leaving the game. But as this relates to starcraft i do see myself getting better at scouting as my mechanics become alot more natural.
That video is a joke. Its pretty flawed. Hey look for this stuff ok? Sure. Oh by the way did you catch this stuff? No because i was concentrating on what you asked me to do. If it said also be on the lookout for other things then ya it would be no problem.
On August 31 2010 23:19 tacrats wrote: That video is a joke. Its pretty flawed. Hey look for this stuff ok? Sure. Oh by the way did you catch this stuff? No because i was concentrating on what you asked me to do. If it said also be on the lookout for other things then ya it would be no problem.
That's... kind of the point. It shows that people get tunnel vision when they concentrate on any one thing. If you're scouting with your observer and missing the huge drop in your main you can't write it away by saying 'oh I was concentrated on scouting that doesn't count'. That gorilla is not exactly hidden.
caught the monkey and the black team member stepping out. missed the curtain color change. totally didn't expect that, which I guess is the contributing factor.
rofl how can people not miss the gorilla and the girl leaving .... The curtain did catch my eye but I can understand why people would miss that (slow transition) but the gorilla and the girl ?!?!?!?
What does that say about me then? And I saw other videos from after that video (the one with the lamp I think) and I was still like it's a lamp with a little plant in the room no?
On August 31 2010 23:19 tacrats wrote: That video is a joke. Its pretty flawed. Hey look for this stuff ok? Sure. Oh by the way did you catch this stuff? No because i was concentrating on what you asked me to do. If it said also be on the lookout for other things then ya it would be no problem.
That's... kind of the point. It shows that people get tunnel vision when they concentrate on any one thing. If you're scouting with your observer and missing the huge drop in your main you can't write it away by saying 'oh I was concentrated on scouting that doesn't count'. That gorilla is not exactly hidden.
Sorry but no. In sc you have to be aware of everything that is happening... of anything that can be in someones base or happening on screen. You know tunnel vision in sc isnt acceptable.
However in a youtube video that says hey we are going to test your perception, we want you to count the number of passes then thats all i am going to do. being aware of everything else happening in that video isnt even relevant because the only relevant thing is passes. So i just watched the ball.
On August 31 2010 23:19 tacrats wrote: That video is a joke. Its pretty flawed. Hey look for this stuff ok? Sure. Oh by the way did you catch this stuff? No because i was concentrating on what you asked me to do. If it said also be on the lookout for other things then ya it would be no problem.
That's... kind of the point. It shows that people get tunnel vision when they concentrate on any one thing. If you're scouting with your observer and missing the huge drop in your main you can't write it away by saying 'oh I was concentrated on scouting that doesn't count'. That gorilla is not exactly hidden.
But there are different objectives. When playing a game of SC, the objective is to win. Most people believe that paying attention to everything at once is the best way to win. Tunnel vision is on winning the game, not on particular things in the game.
A test more relevant to SC2 would ask the viewer to pay attention to everything: the types of passes, the people who were doing them, the number of passes, and any other changes going on. If people naturally prioritize one thing over another without having reason for it, and causing an overall lower performance, then we might learn a lesson useful for SC.
I hate scouting in PvP and seeing nothing, im always like DAMN 2GATE PROXIED AGAIN. But seriously, as long as you focus on what you see and not what you think you should see i don't think you would miss anything when scouting.
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