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PokePill
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-23 02:51:55
August 23 2010 02:38 GMT
#21
Nice to see you can win a $15k prizepool tournament without even having practiced the opening build you're executing for more than a day (If I understood this correctly). Kudos to morrow!
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
August 23 2010 02:46 GMT
#22
On August 23 2010 11:37 Zalfor wrote:
get more queens. thats the answer imo. stop complaining.

they get countered by more reapers :D
Jaguael
Profile Joined August 2010
United States6 Posts
August 23 2010 02:46 GMT
#23
On August 23 2010 11:35 Onlinejaguar wrote:
I just want to clarify when i said the strat is easy i mean that its easy for top tier terrans such as Morrow. In no way am i saying anyone can do it. Full props to Morrow, he played extremely well and beat IdrA within the bounds of the game. Either Blizzard will make a change or someone will come up with something more solid to beat 5 rax reapers as zerg.


I agree, obviously MorroW knew how to do a 5 rax and use reapers, I think dimaga just helped him tool it right with his zerg knowledge. Plus you need to micro well with it or they can go down easy. When I was watching the finals I was a bit upset to see these rushes, as I would have liked for the games to last longer (for my enjoyment as a viewer) but MorroW played well. He wanted to win and knew he didn't want to let Idra get in his comfort zone. Like you said, he's playing within the bounds of the game and how can a top level player draw the line at something being over powered. "Well I could have won but I didn't want to use this strat because it worked sooo well." That's ridiculous.
Fraud
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada108 Posts
August 23 2010 02:58 GMT
#24
On August 23 2010 11:21 elderbre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2010 11:13 JudoChopper wrote:
lol at Morrow "he didn't gg" HEAVEN FORBID... most of the time "gg" is a mechanical reaction, its silly to force people to type it everygame.


It may be for amateurs like you and me, but in a professional competition it's within fairplay and code of conduct, this is the same as any sport, and I think we want to consider e-sports also a part of sports.


Oh come on, you can't be serious. Idra got cheesed - it's one thing to say that he shouldn't insult the other player, but you can't expect him to say "good game".

In other sports, its common place to shake hands after a game. If my opponent plays dirty (but still within the rules), I'm not shaking their hand. This is not a "Code of conduct issue"...
Qzy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Denmark1121 Posts
August 23 2010 03:00 GMT
#25
Morrow says his build is imba ... That's what's interesting? Everyone knows that.
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thesighter
Profile Joined July 2010
United States347 Posts
August 23 2010 03:00 GMT
#26
On August 23 2010 11:38 PokePill wrote:
Nice to see you can win a $15k prizepool tournament without even having practiced the opening build you're executing for more than a day (If I understood this correctly). Kudos to morrow!


this x100. Congrats to Morrow, but seriously, learning reaper night before a tourney. I don't know whether to be extremely impressed by Morrow or seriously disturbed at how hard it is for zerg to counter this.
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
August 23 2010 03:01 GMT
#27
In many situations when people don't shake hands and just leave the media makes a huge deal out of it (I remember it happening a few times in football or something). Not unique to Starcraft really.
JudoChopper
Profile Joined August 2010
England148 Posts
August 23 2010 03:03 GMT
#28
On August 23 2010 12:01 Redmark wrote:
In many situations when people don't shake hands and just leave the media makes a huge deal out of it (I remember it happening a few times in football or something). Not unique to Starcraft really.

Shaking hands is different to GG, GG means good game, shaking hands does not mean GG or anything like it.
no
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
August 23 2010 03:06 GMT
#29
Really fantastic episode of Weapon of Choice. As for the interview, morrow seems really shy to come out and say "yeah, it's a little too strong of a build". I wish he'd just come out and say it.
RabidLlama
Profile Joined August 2010
5 Posts
August 23 2010 03:11 GMT
#30
On August 23 2010 11:58 Fraud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2010 11:21 elderbre wrote:
On August 23 2010 11:13 JudoChopper wrote:
lol at Morrow "he didn't gg" HEAVEN FORBID... most of the time "gg" is a mechanical reaction, its silly to force people to type it everygame.


It may be for amateurs like you and me, but in a professional competition it's within fairplay and code of conduct, this is the same as any sport, and I think we want to consider e-sports also a part of sports.


Oh come on, you can't be serious. Idra got cheesed - it's one thing to say that he shouldn't insult the other player, but you can't expect him to say "good game".

In other sports, its common place to shake hands after a game. If my opponent plays dirty (but still within the rules), I'm not shaking their hand. This is not a "Code of conduct issue"...


If you listen to the interview, the "no gg" that pissed Morrow off was in a practice game, which IdrA WON.
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
August 23 2010 03:15 GMT
#31
-Response to morrow. i was mad that you beat idra, arrrrgh but congrats and you seem like a chill guy
-Response to Apollo complaints. meh. he got better throughout the event and had a bunch of insight that i dont think any other commentator really could have brought up.
-Response to ProdiG. hey, i like your maps and am probably going to start up again. the only map i dislike is starchild, i dont know why but it feels very awkward for zerg. the other maps that ive played are solid though.
bendez
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada283 Posts
August 23 2010 03:26 GMT
#32
On August 23 2010 11:26 MisterPuppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2010 11:15 sk` wrote:
Reaper and Hellion serve overlapping roles. Safe to just yank one or the other.




so do colossus and high templar, but they also have many differences.


mmhmm just like roaches and lurkers...o wait.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
August 23 2010 03:47 GMT
#33
On August 23 2010 12:26 bendez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2010 11:26 MisterPuppy wrote:
On August 23 2010 11:15 sk` wrote:
Reaper and Hellion serve overlapping roles. Safe to just yank one or the other.




so do colossus and high templar, but they also have many differences.


mmhmm just like roaches and lurkers...o wait.

I believe it was lurkers and banelings.
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SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
August 23 2010 03:50 GMT
#34
On August 23 2010 11:15 sk` wrote:
Reaper and Hellion serve overlapping roles. Safe to just yank one or the other.
Theirs so many other examples to prove you wrong but its not even worth it.
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PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
August 23 2010 03:50 GMT
#35
the reaper play is extremely easy to pull off...
hope to see someone find a way to deal with it better or some kind of change around it next patch
Sieziggy
Profile Joined July 2010
United States53 Posts
August 23 2010 03:50 GMT
#36
On August 23 2010 12:47 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2010 12:26 bendez wrote:
On August 23 2010 11:26 MisterPuppy wrote:
On August 23 2010 11:15 sk` wrote:
Reaper and Hellion serve overlapping roles. Safe to just yank one or the other.




so do colossus and high templar, but they also have many differences.


mmhmm just like roaches and lurkers...o wait.

I believe it was lurkers and banelings.


I would love to see the QQ if they brought back lurkers. Although, maybe not. Since reapers or a good 2 gate build screws us over before lurkers would even take the stage.
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
August 23 2010 03:51 GMT
#37
If blizz does decide to nerf this build...what would they do? Make reapers 2 food? If you reduce the speed or reduce the damage,it will kill the essence of the reaper. Maybe making them 2 food will reduce the speed at which they reach critical mass, which is what seems to be the problem.

The find of the tourney was Dimaga for me,loved the way he played.

Congos to MorroW,he did play well,despite what you think of the finals.
WCH
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada239 Posts
August 23 2010 03:54 GMT
#38
On August 23 2010 12:51 dartoo wrote:
If blizz does decide to nerf this build...what would they do? Make reapers 2 food? If you reduce the speed or reduce the damage,it will kill the essence of the reaper. Maybe making them 2 food will reduce the speed at which they reach critical mass, which is what seems to be the problem.

The find of the tourney was Dimaga for me,loved the way he played.

Congos to MorroW,he did play well,despite what you think of the finals.


I think changing them to 75 minerals will help to stop the ability of terran gaining such an eco lead. I still don't know if it is IMBA but im pretty sure terrans will be doing this to zergs on the ladder now so some new strats might evolve.
Bags
Profile Joined July 2010
United States69 Posts
August 23 2010 03:57 GMT
#39
On August 23 2010 11:11 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2010 11:02 Mouth wrote:
he even says that the reaper build is imba and should be nerfed soon. good interview and another good WoC. Pretty amazing he learned that build last minute and used it pretty well (unless I misunderstood and dimaga showed him that build well in advance of the lan)


OR the reaper opening is extremely easy to learn as you only need to learn the basic BO and then remember to make scvs and learn how to reaper micro. On top of that you get taught the build by very impressive T and Z players who have practiced with each other so much on mTw that they have learned the build inside out. Seems fairly ezpz, not impressive to me.


I'd like to see you try it against Idra.
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-23 04:01:03
August 23 2010 04:00 GMT
#40
@WCH Yeah that might work quite well too. Lol,almost everyone is going to be doing this on the ladder. I remember when HD posted his worker rush video,I went through 8-9 games with people scv rushing,and were shocked when it failed.

Wonder if a terrans in korea have done this strat against zergs...
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