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On August 24 2010 23:12 Looonski wrote:
It sucks that Idra has such a terrible personality, he cannot take losing well at all. It would have been better if he had said, "Ahhh, I took one game away from him, but in the end he played well and won the tournament." But instead he stands there in typical nerd rage fashion and is absolutely LIVID when he answers the host's question.
I think e-sports and online games in general have a bad enough stigma towards "nerd rage", and I think having pro gamers act this way doesn't help develop the scene in a positive way at all.
That said I like Idra's play style, and his dedication to the sport, just not his entitled/cocky attitude and the way he behaves at tournaments. Sure, he's won a some tournaments, but the SC2 competitive scene is still so small. Before he starts walking around like he is unstoppable he needs to actually BE unstoppable. This was the biggest tournament so far, and what does he do? He rage quits early from a few games and then acts like a 5 year old on the main stage afterward. I wasn't sure whether he was going to burst into tears or into flames during that post game interview.
All in all I hope Idra is sitting back in Korea drinking a few beers and relaxing. He needs to blow off some steam and get his shit together. I hope he comes back with more passion to win then ever, and hopefully a more humble attitude...
You do realize that IdrA got beat by the same bullshit play he's been complaining about since release, right?
He has every right to be pissed, especially after it cost him a few thousand dollars.
No offense to Morrow, as he did a perfect job executing his reaper play, (I would even say he was the only one to do it right in the whole tourney) but it really did show how bad the whole situation is for Zerg in general. MorroW executed the strategy perfectly multiple times, then fakes IdrA out for the last game really showing that the fact that Reapers exist, whether used or not, gives Terran a GIANT advantage through the entire early game and into the mid-game.
Every day that Blizzard holds off on this balance patch is another dollar lost for IdrA. Rage away.
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On August 25 2010 15:04 Jermstuddog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 23:12 Looonski wrote:
It sucks that Idra has such a terrible personality, he cannot take losing well at all. It would have been better if he had said, "Ahhh, I took one game away from him, but in the end he played well and won the tournament." But instead he stands there in typical nerd rage fashion and is absolutely LIVID when he answers the host's question.
I think e-sports and online games in general have a bad enough stigma towards "nerd rage", and I think having pro gamers act this way doesn't help develop the scene in a positive way at all.
That said I like Idra's play style, and his dedication to the sport, just not his entitled/cocky attitude and the way he behaves at tournaments. Sure, he's won a some tournaments, but the SC2 competitive scene is still so small. Before he starts walking around like he is unstoppable he needs to actually BE unstoppable. This was the biggest tournament so far, and what does he do? He rage quits early from a few games and then acts like a 5 year old on the main stage afterward. I wasn't sure whether he was going to burst into tears or into flames during that post game interview.
All in all I hope Idra is sitting back in Korea drinking a few beers and relaxing. He needs to blow off some steam and get his shit together. I hope he comes back with more passion to win then ever, and hopefully a more humble attitude... You do realize that IdrA got beat by the same bullshit play he's been complaining about since release, right? He has every right to be pissed, especially after it cost him a few thousand dollars. No offense to Morrow, as he did a perfect job executing his reaper play, (I would even say he was the only one to do it right in the whole tourney) but it really did show how bad the whole situation is for Zerg in general. MorroW executed the strategy perfectly multiple times, then fakes IdrA out for the last game really showing that the fact that Reapers exist, whether used or not, gives Terran a GIANT advantage through the entire early game and into the mid-game. Every day that Blizzard holds off on this balance patch is another dollar lost for IdrA. Rage away.
You've made several assumptions:
- That IdrA is entitled to win.
- Even if the game is imbalanced, making a jerk out of yourself and acting like somebody "stole" your victory is OK.
Personally, I think he made a total arse out of himself, and it looked disgusting. If we want eSport to be taken more seriously, we need to show more sportsmanship. IdrA is just an terrible example of what we should not do.
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You're making the assumption that I think he's entitled to win. Not at all.
What I am saying is he lost 2 of his 3 games to a build that he has already pointed out several times puts the terran player in such an advantageous position that it is almost impossible to win against when executed properly.
MorroW executed it properly and he deserves to have the win just as much.
My complaint is that there was no game here. We watched Reapers, nothing but Reapers take out roaches, lings, queens, and a hatchery in 3 games followed by a 4th where (again MorroW did a good job hiding that he WASN'T going Reapers, but it didn't matter) IdrA has to assume Reapers anyway, just in case, and instead gets rofl'd over by Marauders.
I am not knocking MorroW in any way. He took advantage of the options available and his play was spectacular. But as a spectator, I have no interest in watching mass Reapers win every game of TvZ forever-more. It's not that IdrA is entitled to win, its that spectators SHOULD be entitled to see more than just Reapers owning everything in a TvZ.
Let me put it another way.
Game 1 was interesting from both sides. I saw MorroW going Reapers and leaned in a little bit. I knew they could be effective after watching LZ, but I've also seen so many pros fail to execute it. Its obviously pretty hard to do properly. He beat the crap out of IdrA, and I was blown away. By the time game 2 came around, I was look for IdrAs adjustment to account for the Reapers more, and as my StarCraft wheels were turning, I saw that there was no adjustment he could feasibly make. His lings were a waste of money, and his Roaches were ineffective at best. Spine crawlers would be laughable and queens would just be slower, more ineffective Roaches, let's not even talk about banelings. At that point, I realized that the next 2 games were going to be boring, gg MorroW. IdrA somehow pulled a miracle win out of his ass but it didn't make me any more excited for the continuing beat-down, and we move on to game 4 with me having lost interest. Game 4 was mildly entertaining as MorroW was hiding his Marauders, but over way too fast as IdrA had no answer to MorroWs all-in. If I had paid money to see those matches, I wouldn't be showing up to the next one as it just wasn't fun to watch.
If you want to talk about things that are bad for the sport, talk about Reapers. 1 unit domination is very bad for an RTS.
For your second point, I'm not saying everything is imbalanced, please don't act like I am, and I'm not really sure what it has to do with IdrA being an ass, seems to belong more with point number one... anyway.
He SHOULD be pissed that he lost. I would love for somebody to throw a chair after they lose a championship match, that would be good TV.
IdrA plays the badboy perfectly, and as a fan and spectator I am always waiting for him to blow up on everybody. I <3 IdrA-rage, and I <3 that him not saying gg makes people freak out. Nothing is going to bring more attention to a sport than some dude throwing a fit every time he loses, if you need an example, look up Phil Hellmuth on youtube and compare with any other pro from his sport, he has more interesting clips and more hits on those clips specifically because of his poor attitude.
The kind of drama that IdrA brings to the game is nothing but good and I, personally, am awaiting his next rage.
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Here's now I see it:
IdrA was matched up against 3 reaper rush games. He lost 2, won 1.
The last game was a brilliant play from Morrow, he did an amazing job guarding against overlord scout with just a marine and hiding his forces. IdrA was absolutely lost and had no idea what to do.
Sure, all IdrA wanted was macroing up, controlling the map and play his normal game which Zerg is best at. Terran needs some weapons to combat against this; though I do share your opinion that reapers are a bit too powerful.
However, crying and coming off as a pathetic loser doesn't help IdrA's image, and it doesn't advance the debate.
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On August 24 2010 23:00 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 22:48 Sieziggy wrote:
So MorroW, from your perspective, what would be the best Zerg response to this build until Blizzard patches it? my guess would be making a spine in the natural getting about 4 queens that can stall reapers and win extra time and spread creep really quickly. i guess its better to save time letting them attack ur queen than wasting low numbers of zerglings. also these few roaches are tough but still they will only win time until u get many roaches but they will still die so yea, i believe some extra queen(s) for the healing power. and meanwhile ur taking all blows with this either tech to lair and get speed roach or simply mass up lings, but ithink getting lair and roaches is best. so basically how idra plays, but instead of getting all these roaches and lings early on try to hold it off with queens roach spine. massing up lings to get a good surround is only gonna work vs failing terrans and against better terrans they save a little time but u mostly just lose alot of money on the lings that die in 2 attacks its really hard to say tho but tbh extra many queens along with roaches should really be effective to heal and survive alot without taking too much damage before speed is done on roach and then ur in good shape. but the thing is terran see this and switch to 5rax marauders get stim and shells and can just destroy u, i think more zergs should try to put overlords on the map so they can see what terran is making in a healthy time the entire situation is just really dirty tho and im not gonna try to say "just do this nps" because im sure all these top zergs has tried everything
Funny that you say "do more scouting" after you dnied any sort of scouting to idra in the finals. Its nearly impossible to scout a good Terran. And as Zerg you are forced to prepare to LOTS of stuff the Terran could do to you! This sucks even more as the stupid reaper harass in early game, imho.
greets
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