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DBrave
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia379 Posts
April 06 2011 14:58 GMT
#13901
no preshow for EP33 ?
gg wp
DGenerate
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada140 Posts
April 06 2011 15:03 GMT
#13902
While I wish all the best for MLG and the future of e-sport in the west, I felt the viewers opinion wasn't represented in this last SOTG. It's alright like that since that's not the point of the show, but I think we're all missing djWheat's shows to express our opinions. Not that we should destroy MLG for what happened but I think Wheat would have been the best to direct an educated discussion on the topic. People have the forums to discuss this, but given the place SOTG has in the weekly news coverage, I was looking forward for a deeper discussion about the viewer's situation. Come back Wheat!
fush
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada563 Posts
April 06 2011 15:09 GMT
#13903
i don't get what people want from them exactly? what is there to discuss about MLG that hasn't already been addressed by the MLG brass? i don't see how any good can come from these guys shitting on MLG even more than what's already been said on these forums and on MLG forums. they gave exactly what was appropriate, which was their personal views and experiences over the event, what else can they say?

and to the poster above, what "deeper" discussion can there be? i don't understand.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 06 2011 15:11 GMT
#13904
On April 06 2011 22:32 Brad wrote:
The Kas vs. NaDa section was even funnier because just before that portion of the show; the guys were saying how bad the lag is for the Koreans, and the fact that's really hard for them to win on the US server. Then JP said that Kas beating NaDa would be the biggest upset of TSL. ???


Unless I missed something, IdrA was the only person who said that the lag was a huge factor. Day did his "oh here we go" face and Tyler just stared off into space/watched a replay.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 15:12:13
April 06 2011 15:11 GMT
#13905
On April 07 2011 00:03 DGenerate wrote:
While I wish all the best for MLG and the future of e-sport in the west, I felt the viewers opinion wasn't represented in this last SOTG. It's alright like that since that's not the point of the show, but I think we're all missing djWheat's shows to express our opinions. Not that we should destroy MLG for what happened but I think Wheat would have been the best to direct an educated discussion on the topic. People have the forums to discuss this, but given the place SOTG has in the weekly news coverage, I was looking forward for a deeper discussion about the viewer's situation. Come back Wheat!

What are you talking about? None of them were viewers and I'm not sure why you think the viewers opinion needs to be represented on SotG. I think they talked about what they should have- what it was like for a pro at the event. I just wish iNcontroL was there to add more life to that discussion.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
eloist
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 15:14:32
April 06 2011 15:13 GMT
#13906
On April 07 2011 00:09 fush wrote:
i don't get what people want from them exactly? what is there to discuss about MLG that hasn't already been addressed by the MLG brass? i don't see how any good can come from these guys shitting on MLG even more than what's already been said on these forums and on MLG forums. they gave exactly what was appropriate, which was their personal views and experiences over the event, what else can they say?

and to the poster above, what "deeper" discussion can there be? i don't understand.

Maybe we're just confused because this show is usually not shy about shitting on something. Otherwise a good show even though 2/4 didn't seem all that interested in doing it this week
DGenerate
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada140 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 15:22:46
April 06 2011 15:18 GMT
#13907
On April 07 2011 00:11 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 00:03 DGenerate wrote:
While I wish all the best for MLG and the future of e-sport in the west, I felt the viewers opinion wasn't represented in this last SOTG. It's alright like that since that's not the point of the show, but I think we're all missing djWheat's shows to express our opinions. Not that we should destroy MLG for what happened but I think Wheat would have been the best to direct an educated discussion on the topic. People have the forums to discuss this, but given the place SOTG has in the weekly news coverage, I was looking forward for a deeper discussion about the viewer's situation. Come back Wheat!

What are you talking about? None of them were viewers and I'm not sure why you think the viewers opinion needs to be represented on SotG. I think they talked about what they should have- what it was like for a pro at the event. I just wish iNcontroL was there to add more life to that discussion.




I said I know it's not the point of the show to have the viewer's opinion. But SOTG is huge and people were expecting them to talk about it more than they did, or differently imo. Now that they don't have Wheat's shows/phone calls portion to express themselves, they're still looking for personalities to talk in depth about it. As a viewer, I want to hear more about for sure and I think Wheat has the experience to direct such a discussion with viewers.
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
April 06 2011 15:19 GMT
#13908
No mention of the players could hear casters, so they had to tune down the casters so the audience coudnt hear anything? MLG response; "booths are too big to fit on our trucks" lol.

If they can do it in Sweden(dreamhack), its wierd that MLG doesnt try to fix it.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 15:41:27
April 06 2011 15:20 GMT
#13909
It shouldn't come as a surprise as Tyler plays protoss and mostly watches games involving protoss, but I'm struggling to see this "level of refinement and execution" protosses allegedly have. Protoss players aren't exactly utilizing all their units either and aren't all over the map with pylons, DTs and warp prisms. Admittedly they do execute their 4/6 gate and 3 base turtle builds quite well.

Of course, I'm not saying Tyler doesn't know what he is talking about as he usually does; I'm merely insinuating that he is just as biased as Idra is.
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
April 06 2011 15:22 GMT
#13910
On April 07 2011 00:20 syllogism wrote:
It shouldn't come as a surprise as Tyler plays protoss and mostly watches games involving protoss, but I'm struggling to see this "level of refinement ane execution" protosses have. Protoss players aren't exactly utilizing all their units either and aren't all over the map with pylons and DTs, warp prisms.

there was a time terrans were marked as the easy race...things changed and now terrans complain about protoss...
FTD
thebigdonkey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States354 Posts
April 06 2011 15:28 GMT
#13911
On April 07 2011 00:03 DGenerate wrote:
While I wish all the best for MLG and the future of e-sport in the west, I felt the viewers opinion wasn't represented in this last SOTG. It's alright like that since that's not the point of the show, but I think we're all missing djWheat's shows to express our opinions. Not that we should destroy MLG for what happened but I think Wheat would have been the best to direct an educated discussion on the topic. People have the forums to discuss this, but given the place SOTG has in the weekly news coverage, I was looking forward for a deeper discussion about the viewer's situation. Come back Wheat!


I don't really understand what more could have been discussed. It was a crappy situation. Everyone knows it was crappy. All of them said it was crappy. MLG knows it was crappy and feels terribly embarassed about it. Having 12 people call in and say the same thing about how crappy it was would not have been a productive use of time.
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 15:32:05
April 06 2011 15:28 GMT
#13912
On April 06 2011 20:15 Cuddle wrote:
Just wonderful to have IdrA on. I love it and support the addition of the IdrA-Pillar.


I love that he aint afraid to discuss balance. Others doesnt even wanna tuch the subject and the show is called "STATE OF THE GAME". Everything now is down to promoting tournaments and talking about players, and theres allmost no talk about strategies and balance. Show has become SC center v2.

I love the show, but please dont be so afraid to talk about it. Maby its because they all play protoss and doesnt have anything to complain about atm, but dont just lol at idra when he wants to utter his opinion.
johnkub
Profile Joined November 2010
74 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 15:33:39
April 06 2011 15:32 GMT
#13913
id like to summarize the mlg discussion with two cliche lines 1.)they didnt want to bite the hand that feeds them (and esports)

it was obvious they were all biting their lips as to what they really felt like saying that it was a massive failure from pretty much all fronts (except the 2nd half of sunday), and thats fine, but just leave it at that, theres no need to say that it was out of their hands when it clearly wasnt

2.) an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure
Juffalo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States155 Posts
April 06 2011 15:40 GMT
#13914
On April 07 2011 00:28 Pekkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 20:15 Cuddle wrote:
Just wonderful to have IdrA on. I love it and support the addition of the IdrA-Pillar.


I love that he aint afraid to discuss balance. Others doesnt even wanna tuch the subject and the show is called "STATE OF THE GAME". Everything now is down to promoting tournaments and talking about players, and theres allmost no talk about strategies and balance. Show has become SC center v2.

I love the show, but please dont be so afraid to talk about it. Maby its because they all play protoss and doesnt have anything to complain about atm, but dont just lol at idra when he wants to utter his opinion.

I think it's a little hasty to say this. Last week's episode was incredibly in depth with balance and strategy discussion. One episode not entirely focused on strategy discussion doesn't mean they are going to abandon it forever.
dbosworld
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States317 Posts
April 06 2011 15:42 GMT
#13915
Can you speak to that JP? ... ugh enough with that sentence. I can speak to that.
Former CAL-I/CPL CounterStrike Player - Halo1PC CPL/CAL Player
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
April 06 2011 15:43 GMT
#13916
Heheheh Tyler the only reason anyone thinks you are high or drunk when you stream is because of the arbiterssssssss.
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 15:54:25
April 06 2011 15:49 GMT
#13917

What are you talking about? None of them were viewers and I'm not sure why you think the viewers opinion needs to be represented on SotG. I think they talked about what they should have- what it was like for a pro at the event. I just wish iNcontroL was there to add more life to that discussion.


I think what he is trying to say is that it would have been nice to have one person on the show who wasn't at the event live and went through the streaming experience (maybe one of the people in korea atm for korea vs world assuming they watched what there was of the stream). Most of the SotG viewers were not at MLG so our experience was different than the ones of those on the show, both sides need to really understand that. Why do you think they take viewer questions on SotG? To help strengthen a connection between the audience and the cast and make the show more interactive.
Coolwhip
Profile Joined March 2011
927 Posts
April 06 2011 15:52 GMT
#13918
I like Idra for upsetting the 'manner' babies. But he should stop with his defeatist attitude.

'Protoss doesn't need to attack'
'Nothing I could do'

During the beta he whined about Terran being op. I didn't follow sc1 but I'm sure he whined about Zerg there too at some point. Suck it up and FITE!
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 15:55:37
April 06 2011 15:53 GMT
#13919
On April 06 2011 23:11 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 19:41 Novalisk wrote:
I didn't like the part where Tyler hinted that the NASL will give you your money's worth more than the GSL.

More games=/=more quality content. As a player you might want more games to study, but a spectator(majority of the viewerbase judging by a recent poll) will likely want a better viewing experience, which the NASL has yet to show.

I didn't hint at anything. I meant simply what I said.


I honestly wouldn't worry about people only watching the NASL. While the NASL offers a crap ton of content, it's not fair to compare it with the content GSL and MLG offers.

I'm not familiar with all the details, but I'm guessing most of the NASL games will be played online as opposed to on location like MLG and GSL. This offers a completely different spectator experience(crowd and player emotion for example), and together with the casters and production, makes the content very different.

NASL offers more games, while GSL+MLG offers a more immersive viewer experience. I think the NASL at its early stages will take on the "filler" role while on location tournaments like the GSL, MLG, and Dreamhack will be take on the "main event" role.
/commercial
JuuMeijin
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden164 Posts
April 06 2011 15:54 GMT
#13920
Yes reapers were overpowered and it got patched.
y_y
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