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On April 06 2011 21:55 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +MLG was "ok" according to most of them? Lol... They are so biased, if this would have been any other tournament they would have ripped to shreds and that for good reason. Yeah what a fucking surprise they didn't 'rip MLG to shreds'. It's not bias, they've not exactly been kind to MLG in the past. But they were all at the event, they saw how hard the MLG guys were working to get it to work, what the fuck did you expect? To download the podcast and hear 'OMG IT WAS FUCKING TERRIBLE NO ONE WATCH MLG EVER AGAIN'? No. They're not there to shout your opinions back at you so you feel justified in them. They're there to give a unique perspective, and that perspective was that the problems were mostly outside of MLG's hands and it they were 'impressed' with how they handled the sitation. (That's a quote from Idra who has absolutely no obligation to be nice to MLG) It's totally weird to me that there were people saying they'd be 'disappointed' if SotG didn't tear MLG a new one. Why? What good would it do even if they did?
Your opinion, fine.
But one thing:
that perspective was that the problems were mostly outside of MLG's hands
Is just a lie.
Picking a location capable of actually hosting your event is probably the first and one of the, if not THE, most important step to a "good/enjoyable" event. I mean... Do you honestly blame basically, the BUILDING, for not being able to support their needs?
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@people talking about IdrA and "r-uh-t":
How do you spell it? I'm from Brazil and I always thought that was the correct way of saying it.
I never even thought of spelling it any other way, and only now I started thinking about it, and the only other way I think you could say it would be like "hut", like in Pizza Hut?
//tx
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On April 06 2011 22:12 nkr wrote:Is the mp3 released yet? So much MLG whine that it's hard to filter out what im looking for  thanks in advance
Go to JP's Blip.tv and below the video you can choose the format. Change from .flv to .mp3 and then press the "download" in the bottom of the page.
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Hey guys, great show!
I'm just wondering if you would be so kind to tell me where I can find the outro to the show.
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On April 06 2011 22:13 Tschis wrote:
@people talking about IdrA and "r-uh-t":
How do you spell it? I'm from Brazil and I always thought that was the correct way of saying it.
I never even thought of spelling it any other way, and only now I started thinking about it, and the only other way I think you could say it would be like "hut", like in Pizza Hut?
//tx
It's spelt 'root'. It's pronounced the same way as you say the word 'route'.
Here is a text to speech link http://tts.imtranslator.net/FPDd
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On April 06 2011 21:28 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 21:27 Brad wrote:
Seems like the guys really underestimate Kas alot. I'm pretty sure if Kas went to the GSL WC he coud of took some games off the Koreans. He's definitely one of the best Terrans right now. Yeah i agree. My bet is def on kas to win vs nada.
Yup.
I feel like the SOTG guys often underestimate EU players, or just don't follow the EU scene close enough to know which players are the strongest.
One funny example was when their minds were blown when Thorzain beat FD, but Socke who follows the EU scene closely wasn't surprised at all. Overall there's tons of potential in the EU scene that these guys and pretty much everyone else underestimates: good recent examples would be Naniwa and DIMAGA.
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On April 06 2011 22:22 Brad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 22:13 Tschis wrote:
@people talking about IdrA and "r-uh-t":
How do you spell it? I'm from Brazil and I always thought that was the correct way of saying it.
I never even thought of spelling it any other way, and only now I started thinking about it, and the only other way I think you could say it would be like "hut", like in Pizza Hut?
//tx It's spelt 'root'. It's pronounced the same way as you say the word 'route'. Here is a text to speech link http://tts.imtranslator.net/FPDd
Idra is from the midwest, ruht is the common pronunciation. *shrugs*
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On April 06 2011 21:34 Piski wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2011 20:15 Cuddle wrote:
Just wonderful to have IdrA on. I love it and support the addition of the IdrA-Pillar. Did he actually confirm he is a pillar now? I mean I know he said it once before that IdrA is the new pillar of the show, but we didn't see IdrA on any of the future SotG's so I assumed he was joking.
I have seen no confirmation, I just support the thought of IdrA as a regular on the show.
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On April 06 2011 22:12 Velr wrote:But one thing: Is just a lie. Picking a location capable of actually hosting your event is probably the first and one of the, if not THE, most important step to a "good/enjoyable" event. I mean... Do you honestly blame basically, the BUILDING, for not being able to support their needs?
I very much agree with this point. In the podcast, they were talking about how they tought MLG was not responsible for a lot of those things that were happening. But it is exactly their job to pick a location that is well prepaired for their business, and an exceptional well internet-connection surely would be one of the first things that come to mind here. They fucked up because they underestimated the interest for their own product by a large margin. As everyone else, I am hoping that they have learned their lesson for real this time. And even if Murphy's law hit them hard this time, taking the full blame for what happened is the right approach to make sure they get it right in the future.
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The Kas vs. NaDa section was even funnier because just before that portion of the show; the guys were saying how bad the lag is for the Koreans, and the fact that's really hard for them to win on the US server. Then JP said that Kas beating NaDa would be the biggest upset of TSL. ???
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On April 06 2011 22:12 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 21:55 The KY wrote:MLG was "ok" according to most of them? Lol... They are so biased, if this would have been any other tournament they would have ripped to shreds and that for good reason. Yeah what a fucking surprise they didn't 'rip MLG to shreds'. It's not bias, they've not exactly been kind to MLG in the past. But they were all at the event, they saw how hard the MLG guys were working to get it to work, what the fuck did you expect? To download the podcast and hear 'OMG IT WAS FUCKING TERRIBLE NO ONE WATCH MLG EVER AGAIN'? No. They're not there to shout your opinions back at you so you feel justified in them. They're there to give a unique perspective, and that perspective was that the problems were mostly outside of MLG's hands and it they were 'impressed' with how they handled the sitation. (That's a quote from Idra who has absolutely no obligation to be nice to MLG) It's totally weird to me that there were people saying they'd be 'disappointed' if SotG didn't tear MLG a new one. Why? What good would it do even if they did? Your opinion, fine. But one thing: Is just a lie. Picking a location capable of actually hosting your event is probably the first and one of the, if not THE, most important step to a "good/enjoyable" event. I mean... Do you honestly blame basically, the BUILDING, for not being able to support their needs?
Not a big tech knowledge guy, but I'm not sure you can predict how well a your huge LAN is going to perform in a convention centre not built for that purpose. When MLG Lee came on the show he said that these locations have a shitty internet set up all the time and it's his job to get it running, something here was different though. They said on the show that Sundance had gone into details, perhaps someone could find those details then we could discuss the topic with some basis.
Personally I thought MLG went fucking awful. But I'm waiting till Columbus to judge whether MLG can cut it. The past MLG's have had some stream issues, mostly lag, and when the stream was up that wasn't present (for me). But it was never this bad, whatever they problem they had was a new one that presumably would be difficult to predict. So we can't really tell whether this is indicative of MLG's quality for SC2 this year on one event.
My problem was not the bashing of MLG, it was the bizarre attitude people have to this show, that they expect the guys to go after who they want, have the opinions they want, hate who they hate etc etc..
On April 06 2011 22:09 Airship wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 21:55 The KY wrote:
It's totally weird to me that there were people saying they'd be 'disappointed' if SotG didn't tear MLG a new one. Why? What good would it do even if they did?
People would be warned away from watching the next one.
Come on man, everyone who listens to SotG knows about MLG. Everyone knows. We don't need to hear it from anyone else.
Anyway's I'm-a go finish listening to the show. No Geoff 0_0
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On April 06 2011 22:22 Brad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 22:13 Tschis wrote:
@people talking about IdrA and "r-uh-t":
How do you spell it? I'm from Brazil and I always thought that was the correct way of saying it.
I never even thought of spelling it any other way, and only now I started thinking about it, and the only other way I think you could say it would be like "hut", like in Pizza Hut?
//tx It's spelt 'root'. It's pronounced the same way as you say the word 'route'. Here is a text to speech link http://tts.imtranslator.net/FPDd
That's also a bad example. Route can be pronounced the same as "root" or it can be pronounced "rowt".
A better example would be boot (because I can't think of a reason people would say "b-uh-t")
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On April 06 2011 21:34 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 21:28 zeru wrote:On April 06 2011 21:27 Brad wrote:
Seems like the guys really underestimate Kas alot. I'm pretty sure if Kas went to the GSL WC he coud of took some games off the Koreans. He's definitely one of the best Terrans right now. Yeah i agree. My bet is def on kas to win vs nada. Yeah I don't know what Kas' TvT is like but I'd say he's at least as good as Nada is right now. Nada's not completely on top of his game right now.
TvT is definitly his best match-up. He's a beast at it.
I dunno if most was looking at his macro during the match up against HayprO, but that guy have the sickest macro i've ever seen for a Terran.
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Really good to hear Tyler talk about his disappointing MLG. From everything I'd seen of him he was on fire, and it was pretty hard to see him take such a beating, and it's nice to know that his mindset is 'ok, for whatever reason I didn't play nearly my best, I need to figure out how to play my best in the future'.
Here's hoping he tears Thorzain a new arsehole.
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But the test would need to be about consistency. There was no lag on Friday night when every sc2 pc was in use and streams were running. Then on Saturday there was lag all night. How long will you test it for to determine that you can run your whole 3 day event without problems? When are you going to do this test? Wednesday and Thursday? So you need yo set things up even earlier, pay for more labor and hotel rooms and days at the venue, and then if it fails what do you do?
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Kas will own Nada 3-0 i think.
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I love how every time there's debate on this forum, it's about the boring topics and not the game itself. Extended series, MLG issues, Incontrol-Select drama.. makes this entire post rarely worth looking at.
The last podcast was good, though. As always.
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On April 06 2011 21:55 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +MLG was "ok" according to most of them? Lol... They are so biased, if this would have been any other tournament they would have ripped to shreds and that for good reason. Yeah what a fucking surprise they didn't 'rip MLG to shreds'. It's not bias, they've not exactly been kind to MLG in the past. But they were all at the event, they saw how hard the MLG guys were working to get it to work, what the fuck did you expect? To download the podcast and hear 'OMG IT WAS FUCKING TERRIBLE NO ONE WATCH MLG EVER AGAIN'? No. They're not there to shout your opinions back at you so you feel justified in them. They're there to give a unique perspective, and that perspective was that the problems were mostly outside of MLG's hands and it they were 'impressed' with how they handled the sitation. (That's a quote from Idra who has absolutely no obligation to be nice to MLG) It's totally weird to me that there were people saying they'd be 'disappointed' if SotG didn't tear MLG a new one. Why? What good would it do even if they did?
The KY is right. We do our best to give our honest opinions on everything we talk about. We are very aware of when our opinions are counter to the popular opinion.
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On April 06 2011 16:17 IShowUMagic wrote:
To be honest I feel like Day9 actually has bias toward the position that he takes, that the game isn't figured out and maybe zergs all just need to be more creative instead of crying imbalance. If he comes out and says that he thinks zerg is underpowered it may put off his terran/protoss playing audience. Plus, he wants to promote creative play, even if it is just catz, destiny and a bunch of gold players, because that's what his lower level (majority) audience want to see in the dailies.
Also, even though I do think zerg is at a disadvantage, I don't want to hear commentators talking about it because it can take away from the games. Nobody wants to see a game end and hear Day9 say, "yeah too bad forcefield is so OP or IdrA could've totally held that 4gate."
While I will agree that the late game is far from figured out, there are only so many things you can figure out in the early game where you only have a few options available to you, and that's where zerg is really weak. The fact of the matter is, if some one who has only watched the game and never played, and came to a pro and asked, "Which race should I play? I want to be able to troll practically all my games but still get reasonable results without epic skills," the answer would be, "Well don't play zerg lolol."
It is at the very least disingenuous to claim that the position of not making assumptions about game balance makes one biased. I would argue that his position is to aim for the absence of bias.
"A cognitive bias is the human tendency to make systematic errors in certain circumstances based on cognitive factors rather than evidence. Such biases can result from information-processing shortcuts called heuristics. They include errors in judgment, social attribution, and memory. Cognitive biases are a common outcome of human thought, and often drastically skew the reliability of anecdotal and legal evidence. It is a phenomenon studied in cognitive science and social psychology." -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias - On Judgement and Decision Making
Day9's position, then, is to avoid errors in judgement by delaying judgement - not to permanently judge the situation as being equitable. If we had seen the top of the scene be entirely protoss and terran, I am sure Day9 would not cling to the position that zerg was fine. His point is that people have made Zerg work in the past, people are making zerg work now (#2 in the recent GSL was a zerg), so wait and see if that continues to not be the case as the game becomes more "figured out".
Referring to this as bias is akin to referring to devout moderates as extremists, in that they are exceptional in their propensity to avoid the extremes. If you perceive society to be composed of various forms of extremists, then the semantics of this statement does not betray the logical misstep occuring here.
In reality, all you've done here is to attach a label to a viewpoint you disagree with which exempts you from considering it.
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I thought this Episode 33 was the best show in a while. Great to see day9 teasing Idra all in good fun. Seemed to move along smoothly too, no big long discussions about small mlg details or anything.
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