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Wetty
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia419 Posts
April 06 2011 11:18 GMT
#13841
For Day9:

The best sweet alcoholic drink is lemonade grenade and jagermiester. Its awesome, try it :D
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
April 06 2011 11:30 GMT
#13842
Greg has taught me that people from Michigan pronounce "Root," as "R-uh-t." SotG is educational!
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 06 2011 11:50 GMT
#13843
On April 06 2011 20:30 Daralii wrote:
Greg has taught me that people from Michigan pronounce "Root," as "R-uh-t." SotG is educational!

Only country bumpkins from Western/Northern Michigan. SE Michigan has a pretty neutral accent.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
April 06 2011 12:27 GMT
#13844
Seems like the guys really underestimate Kas alot. I'm pretty sure if Kas went to the GSL WC he coud of took some games off the Koreans. He's definitely one of the best Terrans right now.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 06 2011 12:28 GMT
#13845
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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 06 2011 12:32 GMT
#13846
On April 06 2011 18:55 MediaOcrity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 18:40 Coolwhip wrote:
I was looking forward to hearing about their thoughts on the MLG fiasco, but going by the comments here they ignored it?


They covered it fairly early on in the show. Basically just how bad it was, the MLG guys apologised heavily etc etc.


I could find the MLG bracket EASILY and ironically!

1. Go to teamliquid and find MLG [Day whatever}
2. Link in the OP
Skrelt
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands306 Posts
April 06 2011 12:33 GMT
#13847
On April 06 2011 20:15 Cuddle wrote:
Just wonderful to have IdrA on. I love it and support the addition of the IdrA-Pillar.

Would love that indeed. only he needs to roll protoss than :p

No idra would be a great 5th piller. Only thing is that with 5 people on, its hard to invite some more such as sockééé and Huk (GO JP!) or sheth
The Wolfpack - Metalband from the Netherlands
vojnik
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia923 Posts
April 06 2011 12:34 GMT
#13848
On April 06 2011 21:28 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 21:27 Brad wrote:
Seems like the guys really underestimate Kas alot. I'm pretty sure if Kas went to the GSL WC he coud of took some games off the Koreans. He's definitely one of the best Terrans right now.

Yeah i agree. My bet is def on kas to win vs nada.


agree
For the swarm!
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
April 06 2011 12:34 GMT
#13849
On April 06 2011 21:28 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 21:27 Brad wrote:
Seems like the guys really underestimate Kas alot. I'm pretty sure if Kas went to the GSL WC he coud of took some games off the Koreans. He's definitely one of the best Terrans right now.

Yeah i agree. My bet is def on kas to win vs nada.


Yeah I don't know what Kas' TvT is like but I'd say he's at least as good as Nada is right now. Nada's not completely on top of his game right now.
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
April 06 2011 12:34 GMT
#13850
On April 06 2011 20:15 Cuddle wrote:
Just wonderful to have IdrA on. I love it and support the addition of the IdrA-Pillar.


Did he actually confirm he is a pillar now? I mean I know he said it once before that IdrA is the new pillar of the show, but we didn't see IdrA on any of the future SotG's so I assumed he was joking.
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 12:42:57
April 06 2011 12:41 GMT
#13851
MLG was "ok" according to most of them? Lol... They are so biased, if this would have been any other tournament they would have ripped to shreds and that for good reason.


Well aside from the obvious fact they are not going to heavily criticize people they work for or have some kind of relationship with all of them were actually at the event so none of them saw how bad the stream really was. Day9 and JP probably have a decent idea since they were the casters, but nowhere near the full picture. Also just for the record Tyler saying there was nothing they could do and the fault was completely on the venue is laughable. MLG has had similar problems with their venues before although not to this extent, they knew the problem could surface. Why do you think NASL partnered with Justin.tv for their streaming? There is plenty a corporation can do to prepare especially with the track record they had which consists of not starting a single SC2 event on time last year or this year.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
April 06 2011 12:43 GMT
#13852
On April 06 2011 21:32 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 18:55 MediaOcrity wrote:
On April 06 2011 18:40 Coolwhip wrote:
I was looking forward to hearing about their thoughts on the MLG fiasco, but going by the comments here they ignored it?


They covered it fairly early on in the show. Basically just how bad it was, the MLG guys apologised heavily etc etc.


I could find the MLG bracket EASILY and ironically!

1. Go to teamliquid and find MLG [Day whatever}
2. Link in the OP



yes but at the time of the tourney, it wasnt showing all the players, it wasnt showing scores, and being told they will play loser of WB r7 g2 doesnt mean shit to people. so it was impossible to follow
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
April 06 2011 12:49 GMT
#13853
On April 06 2011 20:50 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 20:30 Daralii wrote:
Greg has taught me that people from Michigan pronounce "Root," as "R-uh-t." SotG is educational!

Only country bumpkins from Western/Northern Michigan. SE Michigan has a pretty neutral accent.


Yep, I'm from Warren and only my grandpa says ruht.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
April 06 2011 12:55 GMT
#13854
MLG was "ok" according to most of them? Lol... They are so biased, if this would have been any other tournament they would have ripped to shreds and that for good reason.


Yeah what a fucking surprise they didn't 'rip MLG to shreds'. It's not bias, they've not exactly been kind to MLG in the past. But they were all at the event, they saw how hard the MLG guys were working to get it to work, what the fuck did you expect? To download the podcast and hear 'OMG IT WAS FUCKING TERRIBLE NO ONE WATCH MLG EVER AGAIN'? No. They're not there to shout your opinions back at you so you feel justified in them. They're there to give a unique perspective, and that perspective was that the problems were mostly outside of MLG's hands and it they were 'impressed' with how they handled the sitation. (That's a quote from Idra who has absolutely no obligation to be nice to MLG)

It's totally weird to me that there were people saying they'd be 'disappointed' if SotG didn't tear MLG a new one. Why? What good would it do even if they did?

The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
April 06 2011 12:58 GMT
#13855
On April 06 2011 18:15 Skrelt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 18:07 Talin wrote:
On April 06 2011 16:17 IShowUMagic wrote:
To be honest I feel like Day9 actually has bias toward the position that he takes, that the game isn't figured out and maybe zergs all just need to be more creative instead of crying imbalance. If he comes out and says that he thinks zerg is underpowered it may put off his terran/protoss playing audience. Plus, he wants to promote creative play, even if it is just catz, destiny and a bunch of gold players, because that's what his lower level (majority) audience want to see in the dailies.


Wait, so you think Day9 is biased and professional players are not? Pro players want to win, and they preferably want to win as easy as possible - if they feel they can put pressure on people who balance the game to get even a tiniest advantage, they will. Add hordes of lower level players who can't win with the race because they're just bad will hop on the bandwagon, and it becomes really easy to create the illusion that the game is broken and the race is unplayable.

Remember the period when Protoss players had really mediocre results (especially in Korea) and Genius said he would change his race unless it got buffed? It turned out that most Protoss players just

a) Weren't good enough to compete for the top at the time.
b) Didn't have the game as figured out as they do now.

And note that Protoss never got buffed.

The game most definitely isn't figured out. It's not even close. Just the early game in SC2 is even more complex (due to macro mechanics) and has a lot more options and timings than BW early game had. It's a long process, it has been that way in every Blizzard RTS. Only a few brilliant individuals revolutionized their race's gameplay in BW, some of it even took as long as half a decade after the last patch.

Ultimately, the "game is broken" mentality will only hurt you as a player - just like it hurts Idra actually. You will be less good and less successful with that mindset, it's absolutely the wrong mindset for a player to have. It's not a player's job to consider game balance (players tend to be bad at game design anyway).

protoss did get buffed. Scouting made easyer, halucinate build time decrease, obs for lesser cost and pheonix build time decreased. I know these sound as small changed but it where buffs ^^


His point is still totally valid. The point being - rewind a couple months and Protoss everywhere were shaking their heads in despair because they didn't think they could win a damned thing. Rewind further and they were screaming in frustration because they couldn't beat mutalisks. Looking at those complaints from here, they seem ridiculous.

I'm not saying zerg is fine, but Day[9] has history on his side on his 'let's see what happens with the metagame' approach.
Icx
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Belgium853 Posts
April 06 2011 13:01 GMT
#13856
I agree with the poster above me.

And I mean, enough has been said at this point, we know what went wrong, the people at MLG know what went wrong, the ceo himself apologized, you can hear about the MLG people that have been working for crazy hours trying to get everything right.

Is it really necessary to just keep going on and on and on about it? At that point your just whining just because they want to whine, I just don't see what more they could have added on State of the game that would have lead to a good discussion.

Just leave it be, every single problem has been talked about to death at this point, I am sure MLG is gonna do absolutely everything to get the next even as good as possible.
If you don't want to watch anymore, then that is your point, but then just leave it be.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 13:05:37
April 06 2011 13:05 GMT
#13857
Ok, so MLG was "ok", how is ok cutting it?

Lets compare some of the stuff thats been put out there recently bu leauges and tournaments.

Dreamhack



TSL


NASL


IGN


GSL


MLG


Who is or is going to manage to live up to there own hype? Some have failed, some have made it and some will prove themself. We can atleast say that the live stream expirence that MLG has hyped in this video did not really make it all the way, with or without internet!
I am not young enough to know everything.
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
April 06 2011 13:08 GMT
#13858
Is it really necessary to just keep going on and on and on about it? At that point your just whining just because they want to whine, I just don't see what more they could have added on State of the game that would have lead to a good discussion.


There is a difference between them not really talking about it, which I think most people wouldn't have cared about since your right it has been talked to death, and them basically saying "it's not MLG's fault" which even Sundance has acknowledged is not the case.
Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 13:10:13
April 06 2011 13:09 GMT
#13859
On April 06 2011 21:55 The KY wrote:
It's totally weird to me that there were people saying they'd be 'disappointed' if SotG didn't tear MLG a new one. Why? What good would it do even if they did?


People would be warned away from watching the next one.
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
April 06 2011 13:12 GMT
#13860
Is the mp3 released yet? So much MLG whine that it's hard to filter out what im looking for

thanks in advance
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