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Day[9]'s approach to balance has never been any different. He's not lying when he shares his opinion on the game. If you're expecting him to start whining about how colossus are imbalanced and zerg is UP I find it hard to believe you've ever watched a minute of Day[9]'s analysis or commentary. It's not his thing.
I have watched a lot of dailies. And since you allude to "Imbalanced", he did ridicule the show (in both a daily and SOTG) without answering to any of Idra and Artosis arguments. He doesn't stay entirely out of it, implying that what Artosis and Idra are saying is stupid but he won't explain why and I find that to be very poor form, because it's not like he's avoiding the debate, he throws the stone but says nothing concrete that can be refuted. It comes across like he doesn't really have a counter-argument (which wouldn't really surprise me after what incontrol said that he doesn't have time to play anymore so he's kinda clueless about the state of the game nowadays).
And don't get me wrong I love the guy but at the same time I tend to dislike people that don't speak their minds (which is why I would like Idra to be a pillar).
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Geoff, I heard that you are a failure because you have no webcam. Just letting you know.
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fatcat.gif was AWESOME. Everybody should have a fatcat.gif in their cam windows. Would it eliminate the purpose of even using video feed? No, it would not.
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United States7483 Posts
On March 09 2011 11:48 Globkin wrote:Show nested quote +Day[9]'s approach to balance has never been any different. He's not lying when he shares his opinion on the game. If you're expecting him to start whining about how colossus are imbalanced and zerg is UP I find it hard to believe you've ever watched a minute of Day[9]'s analysis or commentary. It's not his thing. I have watched a lot of dailies. And since you allude to "Imbalanced", he did ridicule the show (in both a daily and SOTG) without answering to any of Idra and Artosis arguments. He doesn't stay entirely out of it, implying that what Artosis and Idra are saying is stupid but he won't explain why and I find that to be very poor form, because it's not like he's avoiding the debate, he throws the stone but says nothing concrete that can be refuted. It comes across like he doesn't really have a counter-argument (which wouldn't really surprise me after what incontrol said that he doesn't have time to play anymore so he's kinda clueless about the state of the game nowadays). And don't get me wrong I love the guy but at the same time I tend to dislike people that don't speak their minds (which is why I would like Idra to be a pillar).
He's explained his reasoning many times in quite a few episodes of his daily.
He thinks imbalance discussions in general are bad, and that the game is still new and will evolve. He believes crying imbalance is the wrong attitude to have about anything in game, you should figure out what you need to do to beat your opponent. It might be really hard to beat certain things, but that doesn't make the game imbalanced, just hard.
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On March 09 2011 11:41 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 11:24 AndAgain wrote:On March 09 2011 10:17 MrSexington wrote:State of the Game needs more Day9. Just saying.  It's pretty clear he doesn't like doing the show. He has missed like half of them and split during the middle of some shows. lolololol YEP he avoids us with trips to germany and thesis sshit lololol
Is he gonna be on tonight?
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Oh OH OH OH IT FINALLY HAPPENED
People are complaining about Day9. "Oh my god hes to diplomatic and professional why doesn't he just whine about balance"
Haha everyone who complains about Day9 should tilt their head in shame! SHAME!
Whos the guest today anyone know? or did jp already post and it got buried.
EDIT: aww nvm no1 was really complaing about day9 just 1 troll and then it kind of spiral'd (World isn't over)
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Day9 just takes the political correct approach by saying "its balanced". "We need to learn the game, and whatever".
While he could have a point, its IMO kind of tiring to listen at, especially since he dont really play the game that much him self, and IMO I liked the critic Incontrol gave of day9, that many of his analysis were kind of outddated, which is kind of true. Artosis def. understands the game much better than day9, and I just feel like day9 reputation is a little too good for his current game knowledge.
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I can't stand not having fat cat in the sotg. If geoff gets a webcam you need to make the background a tile of fat cats, all bouncing and jiggling in unison.
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On March 09 2011 11:53 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 11:48 Globkin wrote:Day[9]'s approach to balance has never been any different. He's not lying when he shares his opinion on the game. If you're expecting him to start whining about how colossus are imbalanced and zerg is UP I find it hard to believe you've ever watched a minute of Day[9]'s analysis or commentary. It's not his thing. I have watched a lot of dailies. And since you allude to "Imbalanced", he did ridicule the show (in both a daily and SOTG) without answering to any of Idra and Artosis arguments. He doesn't stay entirely out of it, implying that what Artosis and Idra are saying is stupid but he won't explain why and I find that to be very poor form, because it's not like he's avoiding the debate, he throws the stone but says nothing concrete that can be refuted. It comes across like he doesn't really have a counter-argument (which wouldn't really surprise me after what incontrol said that he doesn't have time to play anymore so he's kinda clueless about the state of the game nowadays). And don't get me wrong I love the guy but at the same time I tend to dislike people that don't speak their minds (which is why I would like Idra to be a pillar). He's explained his reasoning many times in quite a few episodes of his daily. He thinks imbalance discussions in general are bad, and that the game is still new and will evolve. He believes crying imbalance is the wrong attitude to have about anything in game, you should figure out what you need to do to beat your opponent. It might be really hard to beat certain things, but that doesn't make the game imbalanced, just hard.
As I said, I watch his dailies, I totally get that and respect it (though I don't agree). But then he goes and implies that Idratosis is *wrong*, not that he shouldn't be whining, but that his analysis is wrong, without really explaining why, and that, I can't respect. And note that I have no opinion on the whole Colussus imba thing, it's just the "ridicule but don't produce a counter-argument" thing.
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On March 09 2011 11:56 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
Oh OH OH OH IT FINALLY HAPPENED
People are complaining about Day9. "Oh my god hes to diplomatic and professional why doesn't he just whine about balance"
Haha everyone who complains about Day9 should tilt their head in shame! SHAME!
Whos the guest today anyone know? or did jp already post and it got buried.
You know what's worse than people "complaining about Day9"? People defending him by default under all circumstances in all environments all the time everywhere. I love the guy, but he isn't perfect. He needs to slam the 'fucks' down and dig the guts out of players sometimes. He knows a ton about the game and follows it closely, and sometimes the "well....you know..just likes..." make people feel shorted.
If day doesn't want to smother viewership or speak out too much about certain things, fine. No one should bitch about that, but it's reasonable to critique where cirtiquing seems fit~~
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Day9 is diplomatic because he takes a mature approach to gaming, searching for solutions within in the game instead of crying all over the internet for nerfs.
It's smart to search within the game for creative solutions like he does before claiming things are broken.
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Its easy to not care about balance when you don't play the game.
Idra and Artosis have competitive experience in SC2 so it's hard to take a commentator's opinion over theirs.
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On March 09 2011 11:59 Hider wrote:
Day9 just takes the political correct approach by saying "its balanced". "We need to learn the game, and whatever".
I hate it when people use the phrase 'politically correct' to describe their displeasure with anything more civil than the tone of discussion they are normally used to.
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On March 09 2011 12:10 dacthehork wrote:
Its easy to not care about balance when you don't play the game.
Idra and Artosis have competitive experience in SC2 so it's hard to take a commentator's opinion over theirs.
Artosis doesn't have any more competitive experience in SC2 than day[9]. There are also many competitive players who share the attitude day[9] has.
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you guys are honestly being retarded. day9 never stated that we should always blindly accept the game as balanced and not to bitch about it. he just said that we're players not game developers. leave balancing to the professionals and just play the game to the best of your ability. he wasn't mocking idra/artosis's show because he thinks their opinion is wrong or anything, but merely teasing because they're both historically known for whining about their race (all the way back from sc1 lololol).
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On March 09 2011 12:15 da_head wrote:
you guys are honestly being retarded. day9 never stated that we should always blindly accept the game as balanced and not to bitch about it. he just said that we're players not game developers. leave balancing to the professionals and just play the game to the best of your ability. he wasn't mocking idra/artosis's show because he thinks their opinion is wrong or anything, but merely teasing because they're both historically known for whining about their race (all the way back from sc1 lololol).
Ya they complained that Terran was underpowered in Broodwar, despite Terran winning like half of the OSL/MSL golds.
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On March 09 2011 12:14 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 11:59 Hider wrote:
Day9 just takes the political correct approach by saying "its balanced". "We need to learn the game, and whatever".
I hate it when people use the phrase 'politically correct' to describe their displeasure with anything more civil than the tone of discussion they are normally used to.
Dont think you understand what the political correct approach actually results in. It results in not being rational and analytic, but taking... well the approach that makes you look good (i guess).
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On March 09 2011 12:23 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 12:14 Consolidate wrote:On March 09 2011 11:59 Hider wrote:
Day9 just takes the political correct approach by saying "its balanced". "We need to learn the game, and whatever".
I hate it when people use the phrase 'politically correct' to describe their displeasure with anything more civil than the tone of discussion they are normally used to. Dont think you understand what the political correct approach actually results in. It results in not being rational and analytic, but taking... well the approach that makes you look good (i guess).
In this case it results in taking an approach that allows you to improve without tiliting constantly and being frustrated about things you can't control.
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Wow, the day9 hate is hilarious in this thread. A lot of new players coming into the Starcraft II scene have to take into account that BW itself was an established scene but only really picked up in popularity in the west during mid 00's. There was only 1 big foreign tournament, WCG and people begged for more content.
Now with a huge explosion of popularity from launch, you cannot simply expect the game to be perfectly balanced, AND entertaining at the same time. If BW was perfectly balanced, half the units in the game wouldn't be in there and you'd simply see 1 strat over and over again, and it'd just be whoever makes a mistake in micro. Honestly, there's way too many self-important people on this forum and in this community. These guys have been here for years, learn to listen to them.
Day[9] specifically said he would be fine with a "Frustrated" show, and not outright saying imbalanced, since the game has been out less than a year, and there are still a lot of new strategies to try out, not just build orders, but maneuvering with your units and different maps to explore. Simply saying, "This strategy is impossible to stop, I can't beat it, it's imbalanced, patch it out." doesn't help at all. If you phrase it in such a way that it shows you're frustrated, and you feel it's hard to stop, then that's fine. But to outright label it as there is a tangible imbalance, is too extreme of a statement.
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