Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 580

On March 09 2011 12:26 PJA wrote:


In this case it results in taking an approach that allows you to improve without tiliting constantly and being frustrated about things you can't control.

On March 09 2011 12:36 RogerChillingworth wrote:
what's the sotg stream again? me forgots!:D

On March 09 2011 12:31 Arisen wrote:
I will never understand why people feel compled to bitch to the high heavens about every little thing said on this FREE podcast. These guys are taking time out of their schedules to bring you some entertaining content, and there are page after page of complaints.

If day9's too busy to make it and that's the only reason you tune in, just turn off the podcast, or if Geoff makes a comment about a caster/player you like that you didn't care for, let it go or turn it off.

Just my 2 cents after reading the last two pages

On topic, can't wait to hear the show tonight, awesome job guys

On March 09 2011 12:32 Hider wrote:


Yeh so you kind of have to do a little lie to have the "right mindset"?

On March 09 2011 12:41 SharkSpider wrote:

People bitch because they care. This podcast has produced some of the best community content for SC2, and if people see it slipping, they want to do something to point it back at what they think is the right direction. People don't dump hard on changes unless they really liked it beforehand, that's basically the best compliment you can get.

On March 09 2011 12:26 Wunder wrote:
Day[9] specifically said he would be fine with a "Frustrated" show, and not outright saying imbalanced, since the game has been out less than a year, and there are still a lot of new strategies to try out, not just build orders, but maneuvering with your units and different maps to explore. Simply saying, "This strategy is impossible to stop, I can't beat it, it's imbalanced, patch it out." doesn't help at all. If you phrase it in such a way that it shows you're frustrated, and you feel it's hard to stop, then that's fine. But to outright label it as there is a tangible imbalance, is too extreme of a statement.

On March 09 2011 11:24 AndAgain wrote:


It's pretty clear he doesn't like doing the show. He has missed like half of them and split during the middle of some shows.

On March 09 2011 12:49 Globkin wrote:


And you don't see the problem with that? Saying the problem is just frustration is saying that there is only an emotional problem, so the rational argument must be wrong, but he doesn't explain why the rational argument is wrong.

And yeah, the whole right mindset thing (although I can see how it could help) it's still a bit ridiculous. It's like having a chess player always start without a queen thorough his career, and telling him that he should stop thinking about his handicap and try to play the best he can without a queen. Surely if he accepts his constraint as absolute and if it's absolutely necessary for him to play chess, then this mindset of only blaming yourself would be the best course of action. But those are two big assumptions. In the case of Starcraft, Blizzard is always changing the game and nobody is forcing you to play it, so being able to identify imbalance is important because:

a) We know Blizzard fixes stuff when enough people complains.
b) If you reach the conclusion that a race is broken and you don't enjoy other races, then you may be better off not playing, so it's useful to know what programers actually think. e.g: A noob zerg player may be interested in what Idra has to say before investing time in learning the race.

So yeah I would argue that Day9's attitude is actually counter-productive as Blizzard is probably always looking for excuses to do nothing and having important people in the community pretending the game is perfect gives them that.

On March 09 2011 13:04 Zzoram wrote:
no pre-shows anymore?

Just putting this out there: If someone is unwilling to invest time into SC2 unless IdrA gives him the go ahead, that player is a giant newb at life and will never succeed at anything, especially not SC2.

On March 09 2011 13:13 Globkin wrote:


LOL. Who said anything about unwillingness to invest time into SC2? It's very simple and I'm sure it happens a lot. A noob approaches Starcraft and he wants to find out what race he should learn and he notices that players like idra and ret seem rather unhappy while protoss and terrans seem to be OK (let's assume for the same of argument this is true). I think that the noob would be wise to consider avoiding zerg based on this and I don't think he is "a giant newb at life and will never succeed at anything" for trying to infer information from the pros. Isn't this what people is telling bronze players all the time to do?

On the other hand, if that same noob only listens to day9 for months and hears nothing about this supposed zerg imbalance he may be pissed and frustrated months later when he plateaus and then learns about all this supposed imbalance business. He may find that the opinions of some pros mirror his experience and he might regret not having known about this earlier.

I think all this is pretty common and reasonable and I find your categorical statement pretty hilarious tbh.

On March 09 2011 13:29 FrostyTreats wrote:
why the fuck is the stream for this not in the OP? lmao

On March 09 2011 13:23 Chicane wrote:
I feel the situation in which they first encounter day9 would be for the best. They would choose the race that they feel is best for them, rather than what is strongest at the moment. It is very possible that by the time they get good, their race may have been buffed relative to the others (if they really are considered weaker) to the point of balance... or at least closer. Then they end up in a situation in which they are playing the race that best suits them (which is most important in my opinion) and they also will not have based it on something that can easily change... race balance.

Edit: Also, part of your argument is "then you're better off not playing." What? People play this game for fun... right? I'm not alone here?