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On April 12 2013 13:13 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:10 Canas wrote:On April 12 2013 13:03 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:02 AgentW wrote:On April 12 2013 13:00 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 12:59 DaCruise wrote:On April 12 2013 12:56 Klipsys wrote:
Dude, I'm so sick of hearing people fucking complain that blizzard isn't handing them money to play their game. Either shut up practice and beat Koreans, or get a real fucking job. Most people HAVE to do both if you are outside of Korea. Get a clue! Catz actually knows what he is talking about. He knows what he's talking about as far as a 20 something who wants to make money playing video games...Are you seriously implying that blizzard should make it easier for non-koreans to make money? Yes, and that's CatZ's point. As a long term investment, Blizzard investing in building NA and EU will be best for the scene if they can come somewhere close to Korea. It's not blizzards job to make you better at starcraft. It's not blizzards job to make it easier for non-koreans to win money. I can't believe there are people arguing for pseudo esports welfare! If you're not good enough to win money, maybe this isn't for you.... How is that good for the scene though? He's not asking blizzard to make foreigners better at starcraft, or make it easier for foreigners to win money, he's asking blizzard to create an opportunity for foreigners to actually be given the same chance to become as good as koreans, since there just isn't one right now. Korea has A LOT of teamhouses where you can go to live and only play starcraft if you're good at the game. Someone with that same kind of potential who lives in NA or europe doesn't have that, and even if that person has the desire to practice 10-12 hours a day, that's not a possibility because he has to have a job or he simply won't have anywhere to live. I know this is hard to accept, but really it's not in blizzards best interest to just shovel money at lesser skilled players. Look at pro sports as an example. Do you really think people in AAA minor leagues should have the same contracts as people playing in the majors? That's being generous and saying NA players are on a comparable level to minor league players. In reality, there barely above a comparable "varsity level". This is professional video games guys, not brain surgery. It's not essential that NA progamers make a living doing this.
It is essential if Blizzard wants to make this a sustainable game that allows people to have careers in it. If they can't make money doing it then no new talent will develop and korea will just run over every other region just like what happened in BW
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On April 12 2013 13:15 hastur420 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:10 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:09 hastur420 wrote:On April 12 2013 13:05 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:02 hastur420 wrote:On April 12 2013 13:00 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 12:59 DaCruise wrote:On April 12 2013 12:56 Klipsys wrote:
Dude, I'm so sick of hearing people fucking complain that blizzard isn't handing them money to play their game. Either shut up practice and beat Koreans, or get a real fucking job. Most people HAVE to do both if you are outside of Korea. Get a clue! Catz actually knows what he is talking about. He knows what he's talking about as far as a 20 something who wants to make money playing video games...Are you seriously implying that blizzard should make it easier for non-koreans to make money? aren't you guys fucking listening to him at all? he emphasized he is ok with it if they decrease the prize pool hugely. even if top 3 get like 50/20/5k dollars and koreans cant participate Catz would never make enough money via tournament prize and he knows that, what the fuck are you talking about. You're talking about 5k like it's nothing. Are you insane? Are you really suggesting that it's blizzards job to make it easier for less skilled players to make money? no i'm not talking about 5k like it's nothing, oh my god it's so hard to not insult you. think for a fucking second. in my theoretic scenario last post, 3 tournaments per year, rd place gets 5k, and Catz has no realistic change to even make 3rd because there are like 10 better players than him in americas alone, and he knows it yet you go on CATZ WANTS THE MONEY HE IS SO LAME. man are you braindead or what? his problem is that 70% of the AMERICAN top class league will consist of koreans. kinda defeats the purpose it if you look it that way. and the koreans who go there are the oney who have the teams with enough money to support them, they have a free ticket to an easier code S just because they're on a team. do you seriously think zenio deserves that? seriously anyone who doesn't understand his point of view is a really slow person. If you can't understand that not making money at something means you shouldn't be doing it as a vocation, I'm not sure what to tell you. we're talking about prize money, they also get money from teams/sponsors. i'm not sure if there is a point to argue with you at all, 90% of the pro players hardly make any prize money at all and there are people we consider serious monsters like revival, oz, ryung etc. top class koreans who would die if they would have to be living off prize money. so what the fuck are you talking about again?
This. Is. Not. A. Real. Job. If. You. Are. Not. Making. Any. Money.
If catz (or whoever) is unhappy with the amount of money they're able to make as a professional video game player, they should get a different job. Plain and simple.
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thats a good point. all NA players should sign up for euro. lol
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On April 12 2013 13:15 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:14 Hrrrrm wrote:On April 12 2013 12:56 Klipsys wrote:
Dude, I'm so sick of hearing people fucking complain that blizzard isn't handing them money to play their game. Either shut up practice and beat Koreans, or get a real fucking job. I just despise the constant "Koreans coming to take OUR money" sentiment. No, Koreans are going to compete in a tournament that they are eligible for and winning money from Blizzard. What Artosis said about then NA/EU players only practicing hard enough to beat other NA/EU player is 100% correct if it was completely region locked. Especially with the prize pools being so high for those two specific regions. It's the same exact reason why some Koreans are jumping ship from KR region. Why the hell practice twice as hard against hard as fuck competition when you can change regions and have easier competition for the same exact amount of money. The sense of entitlement that plagues western culture is one of the reasons Koreans/asians will always dominate in every esport.
Yeah. It's totally only the entitlement and not our unaccepting culture in general.
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On April 12 2013 13:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
thats a good point. all NA players should sign up for euro. lol
I was waiting for all of the Koreans trying to mindgame one another to leave Korea and which other region to join and leaking stuff on Twitter etc. to mislead lol
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On April 12 2013 13:17 Maesy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:15 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:14 Hrrrrm wrote:On April 12 2013 12:56 Klipsys wrote:
Dude, I'm so sick of hearing people fucking complain that blizzard isn't handing them money to play their game. Either shut up practice and beat Koreans, or get a real fucking job. I just despise the constant "Koreans coming to take OUR money" sentiment. No, Koreans are going to compete in a tournament that they are eligible for and winning money from Blizzard. What Artosis said about then NA/EU players only practicing hard enough to beat other NA/EU player is 100% correct if it was completely region locked. Especially with the prize pools being so high for those two specific regions. It's the same exact reason why some Koreans are jumping ship from KR region. Why the hell practice twice as hard against hard as fuck competition when you can change regions and have easier competition for the same exact amount of money. The sense of entitlement that plagues western culture is one of the reasons Koreans/asians will always dominate in every esport. Yeah. It's totally only the entitlement and not our unaccepting culture in general.
Accepting? Lol
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On April 12 2013 13:16 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:13 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:10 Canas wrote:On April 12 2013 13:03 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:02 AgentW wrote:On April 12 2013 13:00 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 12:59 DaCruise wrote:On April 12 2013 12:56 Klipsys wrote:
Dude, I'm so sick of hearing people fucking complain that blizzard isn't handing them money to play their game. Either shut up practice and beat Koreans, or get a real fucking job. Most people HAVE to do both if you are outside of Korea. Get a clue! Catz actually knows what he is talking about. He knows what he's talking about as far as a 20 something who wants to make money playing video games...Are you seriously implying that blizzard should make it easier for non-koreans to make money? Yes, and that's CatZ's point. As a long term investment, Blizzard investing in building NA and EU will be best for the scene if they can come somewhere close to Korea. It's not blizzards job to make you better at starcraft. It's not blizzards job to make it easier for non-koreans to win money. I can't believe there are people arguing for pseudo esports welfare! If you're not good enough to win money, maybe this isn't for you.... How is that good for the scene though? He's not asking blizzard to make foreigners better at starcraft, or make it easier for foreigners to win money, he's asking blizzard to create an opportunity for foreigners to actually be given the same chance to become as good as koreans, since there just isn't one right now. Korea has A LOT of teamhouses where you can go to live and only play starcraft if you're good at the game. Someone with that same kind of potential who lives in NA or europe doesn't have that, and even if that person has the desire to practice 10-12 hours a day, that's not a possibility because he has to have a job or he simply won't have anywhere to live. I know this is hard to accept, but really it's not in blizzards best interest to just shovel money at lesser skilled players. Look at pro sports as an example. Do you really think people in AAA minor leagues should have the same contracts as people playing in the majors? That's being generous and saying NA players are on a comparable level to minor league players. In reality, there barely above a comparable "varsity level". This is professional video games guys, not brain surgery. It's not essential that NA progamers make a living doing this. It is essential if Blizzard wants to make this a sustainable game that allows people to have careers in it. If they can't make money doing it then no new talent will develop and korea will just run over every other region just like what happened in BW
I don't think it's blizzard's goal to foster a generation of lackluster NA talent propped up by inflated prize pools and artificial monetary incentives. There's only so much money to go around, and it should go to the best players ONLY. (In my opinion of course)
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On April 12 2013 13:18 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
thats a good point. all NA players should sign up for euro. lol I was waiting for all of the Koreans trying to mindgame one another to leave Korea and which other region to join and leaking stuff on Twitter etc. to mislead lol
i actually thought mc was staying. he tricked me.
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Even with global "fiber optics", latency can't be perfectly solved, because it is capped by the speed of light traveling around the earth. And so far the speed of light is considered fixed. (;
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On April 12 2013 13:19 figq wrote:
Even with global "fiber optics", latency can't be perfectly solved, because it is capped by the speed of light traveling around the earth. And so far the speed of light is considered fixed. (;
I'd say its fast enough.
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On April 12 2013 13:18 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:16 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 12 2013 13:13 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:10 Canas wrote:On April 12 2013 13:03 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:02 AgentW wrote:On April 12 2013 13:00 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 12:59 DaCruise wrote:On April 12 2013 12:56 Klipsys wrote:
Dude, I'm so sick of hearing people fucking complain that blizzard isn't handing them money to play their game. Either shut up practice and beat Koreans, or get a real fucking job. Most people HAVE to do both if you are outside of Korea. Get a clue! Catz actually knows what he is talking about. He knows what he's talking about as far as a 20 something who wants to make money playing video games...Are you seriously implying that blizzard should make it easier for non-koreans to make money? Yes, and that's CatZ's point. As a long term investment, Blizzard investing in building NA and EU will be best for the scene if they can come somewhere close to Korea. It's not blizzards job to make you better at starcraft. It's not blizzards job to make it easier for non-koreans to win money. I can't believe there are people arguing for pseudo esports welfare! If you're not good enough to win money, maybe this isn't for you.... How is that good for the scene though? He's not asking blizzard to make foreigners better at starcraft, or make it easier for foreigners to win money, he's asking blizzard to create an opportunity for foreigners to actually be given the same chance to become as good as koreans, since there just isn't one right now. Korea has A LOT of teamhouses where you can go to live and only play starcraft if you're good at the game. Someone with that same kind of potential who lives in NA or europe doesn't have that, and even if that person has the desire to practice 10-12 hours a day, that's not a possibility because he has to have a job or he simply won't have anywhere to live. I know this is hard to accept, but really it's not in blizzards best interest to just shovel money at lesser skilled players. Look at pro sports as an example. Do you really think people in AAA minor leagues should have the same contracts as people playing in the majors? That's being generous and saying NA players are on a comparable level to minor league players. In reality, there barely above a comparable "varsity level". This is professional video games guys, not brain surgery. It's not essential that NA progamers make a living doing this. It is essential if Blizzard wants to make this a sustainable game that allows people to have careers in it. If they can't make money doing it then no new talent will develop and korea will just run over every other region just like what happened in BW I don't think it's blizzard's goal to foster a generation of lackluster NA talent propped up by inflated prize pools and artificial monetary incentives. There's only so much money to go around, and it should go to the best players ONLY. (In my opinion of course)
NA not having any talent is not the problem, NA talent not even being given the chance to prosper, is the problem.
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On April 12 2013 13:19 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:18 AgentW wrote:On April 12 2013 13:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
thats a good point. all NA players should sign up for euro. lol I was waiting for all of the Koreans trying to mindgame one another to leave Korea and which other region to join and leaking stuff on Twitter etc. to mislead lol i actually thought mc was staying. he tricked me.
Haha yeah he did! I love how in the LR thread of the release we'd figured out how to abuse the system and about 12 hours later, MC had it and all the Koreans were chatting about it on Twitter. I was waiting for some sick dodging, and I guess MC delivered.
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On April 12 2013 13:17 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:15 hastur420 wrote:On April 12 2013 13:10 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:09 hastur420 wrote:On April 12 2013 13:05 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:02 hastur420 wrote:On April 12 2013 13:00 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 12:59 DaCruise wrote:On April 12 2013 12:56 Klipsys wrote:
Dude, I'm so sick of hearing people fucking complain that blizzard isn't handing them money to play their game. Either shut up practice and beat Koreans, or get a real fucking job. Most people HAVE to do both if you are outside of Korea. Get a clue! Catz actually knows what he is talking about. He knows what he's talking about as far as a 20 something who wants to make money playing video games...Are you seriously implying that blizzard should make it easier for non-koreans to make money? aren't you guys fucking listening to him at all? he emphasized he is ok with it if they decrease the prize pool hugely. even if top 3 get like 50/20/5k dollars and koreans cant participate Catz would never make enough money via tournament prize and he knows that, what the fuck are you talking about. You're talking about 5k like it's nothing. Are you insane? Are you really suggesting that it's blizzards job to make it easier for less skilled players to make money? no i'm not talking about 5k like it's nothing, oh my god it's so hard to not insult you. think for a fucking second. in my theoretic scenario last post, 3 tournaments per year, rd place gets 5k, and Catz has no realistic change to even make 3rd because there are like 10 better players than him in americas alone, and he knows it yet you go on CATZ WANTS THE MONEY HE IS SO LAME. man are you braindead or what? his problem is that 70% of the AMERICAN top class league will consist of koreans. kinda defeats the purpose it if you look it that way. and the koreans who go there are the oney who have the teams with enough money to support them, they have a free ticket to an easier code S just because they're on a team. do you seriously think zenio deserves that? seriously anyone who doesn't understand his point of view is a really slow person. If you can't understand that not making money at something means you shouldn't be doing it as a vocation, I'm not sure what to tell you. we're talking about prize money, they also get money from teams/sponsors. i'm not sure if there is a point to argue with you at all, 90% of the pro players hardly make any prize money at all and there are people we consider serious monsters like revival, oz, ryung etc. top class koreans who would die if they would have to be living off prize money. so what the fuck are you talking about again? This. Is. Not. A. Real. Job. If. You. Are. Not. Making. Any. Money. If catz (or whoever) is unhappy with the amount of money they're able to make as a professional video game player, they should get a different job. Plain and simple.
ok let me explain it to you again because you seem like a really slow little boy.
Catz probably makes more money than you and the average guy off sponsors and ad venue on streams etc. he probably makes really good money.
yet he doesn't win anything.
just like 95% of the sc2 pro players except the absolute pinnacle, who make decent money by winning tournaments, they would all die of starvation if they didn't have salaries.
he is not "unhappy" with his money, because he has no realistic chance to win any decent money be it with koreans or without koreans.
he thinks it is fucked up that the vast majority of the NATIONAL LEAGUE will be non nationals, and not even based on performance, base on THEIR TEAMS MONEY. if you can't see how that is unfair to up and coming players, you're just fucking blind.
seriously arguing with you is like arguing with a piece of stone.
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On April 12 2013 13:21 hastur420 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:17 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:15 hastur420 wrote:On April 12 2013 13:10 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:09 hastur420 wrote:On April 12 2013 13:05 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:02 hastur420 wrote:On April 12 2013 13:00 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 12:59 DaCruise wrote:On April 12 2013 12:56 Klipsys wrote:
Dude, I'm so sick of hearing people fucking complain that blizzard isn't handing them money to play their game. Either shut up practice and beat Koreans, or get a real fucking job. Most people HAVE to do both if you are outside of Korea. Get a clue! Catz actually knows what he is talking about. He knows what he's talking about as far as a 20 something who wants to make money playing video games...Are you seriously implying that blizzard should make it easier for non-koreans to make money? aren't you guys fucking listening to him at all? he emphasized he is ok with it if they decrease the prize pool hugely. even if top 3 get like 50/20/5k dollars and koreans cant participate Catz would never make enough money via tournament prize and he knows that, what the fuck are you talking about. You're talking about 5k like it's nothing. Are you insane? Are you really suggesting that it's blizzards job to make it easier for less skilled players to make money? no i'm not talking about 5k like it's nothing, oh my god it's so hard to not insult you. think for a fucking second. in my theoretic scenario last post, 3 tournaments per year, rd place gets 5k, and Catz has no realistic change to even make 3rd because there are like 10 better players than him in americas alone, and he knows it yet you go on CATZ WANTS THE MONEY HE IS SO LAME. man are you braindead or what? his problem is that 70% of the AMERICAN top class league will consist of koreans. kinda defeats the purpose it if you look it that way. and the koreans who go there are the oney who have the teams with enough money to support them, they have a free ticket to an easier code S just because they're on a team. do you seriously think zenio deserves that? seriously anyone who doesn't understand his point of view is a really slow person. If you can't understand that not making money at something means you shouldn't be doing it as a vocation, I'm not sure what to tell you. we're talking about prize money, they also get money from teams/sponsors. i'm not sure if there is a point to argue with you at all, 90% of the pro players hardly make any prize money at all and there are people we consider serious monsters like revival, oz, ryung etc. top class koreans who would die if they would have to be living off prize money. so what the fuck are you talking about again? This. Is. Not. A. Real. Job. If. You. Are. Not. Making. Any. Money. If catz (or whoever) is unhappy with the amount of money they're able to make as a professional video game player, they should get a different job. Plain and simple. ok let me explain it to you again because you seem like a really slow little boy. Catz probably makes more money than you and the average guy off sponsors and ad venue on streams etc. he probably makes really good money. yet he doesn't win anything. just like 95% of the sc2 pro players except the absolute pinnacle, who make decent money by winning tournaments, they would all die of starvation if they didn't have salaries. he is not "unhappy" with his money, because he has no realistic chance to win any decent money be it with koreans or without koreans. he thinks it is fucked up that the vast majority of the NATIONAL LEAGUE will be non nationals, and not even based on performance, base on THEIR TEAMS MONEY. if you can't see how that is unfair to up and coming players, you're just fucking blind. seriously arguing with you is like arguing with a piece of stone.
No, they should just practice more and make money that way. : P
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On April 12 2013 13:17 Maesy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:15 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:14 Hrrrrm wrote:On April 12 2013 12:56 Klipsys wrote:
Dude, I'm so sick of hearing people fucking complain that blizzard isn't handing them money to play their game. Either shut up practice and beat Koreans, or get a real fucking job. I just despise the constant "Koreans coming to take OUR money" sentiment. No, Koreans are going to compete in a tournament that they are eligible for and winning money from Blizzard. What Artosis said about then NA/EU players only practicing hard enough to beat other NA/EU player is 100% correct if it was completely region locked. Especially with the prize pools being so high for those two specific regions. It's the same exact reason why some Koreans are jumping ship from KR region. Why the hell practice twice as hard against hard as fuck competition when you can change regions and have easier competition for the same exact amount of money. The sense of entitlement that plagues western culture is one of the reasons Koreans/asians will always dominate in every esport. Yeah. It's totally only the entitlement and not our unaccepting culture in general.
.....for being an "unaccepting culture", a lot of US companies/citizens just spent a ton of money on foreigners and are bringing them into our "unaccepting culture" to play a game that, coincidentally, came from this very same "unaccepting culture".
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On April 12 2013 13:21 Canas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:18 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:16 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 12 2013 13:13 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:10 Canas wrote:On April 12 2013 13:03 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:02 AgentW wrote:On April 12 2013 13:00 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 12:59 DaCruise wrote:On April 12 2013 12:56 Klipsys wrote:
Dude, I'm so sick of hearing people fucking complain that blizzard isn't handing them money to play their game. Either shut up practice and beat Koreans, or get a real fucking job. Most people HAVE to do both if you are outside of Korea. Get a clue! Catz actually knows what he is talking about. He knows what he's talking about as far as a 20 something who wants to make money playing video games...Are you seriously implying that blizzard should make it easier for non-koreans to make money? Yes, and that's CatZ's point. As a long term investment, Blizzard investing in building NA and EU will be best for the scene if they can come somewhere close to Korea. It's not blizzards job to make you better at starcraft. It's not blizzards job to make it easier for non-koreans to win money. I can't believe there are people arguing for pseudo esports welfare! If you're not good enough to win money, maybe this isn't for you.... How is that good for the scene though? He's not asking blizzard to make foreigners better at starcraft, or make it easier for foreigners to win money, he's asking blizzard to create an opportunity for foreigners to actually be given the same chance to become as good as koreans, since there just isn't one right now. Korea has A LOT of teamhouses where you can go to live and only play starcraft if you're good at the game. Someone with that same kind of potential who lives in NA or europe doesn't have that, and even if that person has the desire to practice 10-12 hours a day, that's not a possibility because he has to have a job or he simply won't have anywhere to live. I know this is hard to accept, but really it's not in blizzards best interest to just shovel money at lesser skilled players. Look at pro sports as an example. Do you really think people in AAA minor leagues should have the same contracts as people playing in the majors? That's being generous and saying NA players are on a comparable level to minor league players. In reality, there barely above a comparable "varsity level". This is professional video games guys, not brain surgery. It's not essential that NA progamers make a living doing this. It is essential if Blizzard wants to make this a sustainable game that allows people to have careers in it. If they can't make money doing it then no new talent will develop and korea will just run over every other region just like what happened in BW I don't think it's blizzard's goal to foster a generation of lackluster NA talent propped up by inflated prize pools and artificial monetary incentives. There's only so much money to go around, and it should go to the best players ONLY. (In my opinion of course) NA not having any talent is not the problem, NA talent not even being given the chance to prosper, is the problem.
NA having a NA-only tournament isn't going to help NA players improve, if they do nothing about their training regiment
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On April 12 2013 13:08 AstroPegnuin wrote:
Honestly all I can think of about the people defending this whole Americans need to work harder is that they are either still under 18 and going to school or currently unemployed and leeching off their parents or something, because anyone who maintains a job/goes to school will realize that it's almost near impossible to try and compete with Koreans while barley just making it through everyday expenses, I mean your quit literally given less resources through the means of time, physical state, mental state, and even culturally.
Let's see...
1. under 18: Nope
2. School or currently unemployed: Yes to school, but also employed
3. Leeching off parents : Nope
4. Know more about Korean culture than you do?: Likely
Education is incredibly valued in Korea. It's really hard to get anywhere without having graduated from a decent university. The Koreans are known for making their kids study almost like slave drivers since elementary or at least middle school level. When you tell your parents you're going to become a Progamer, the chances of them dismissing you or threatening to disown you are pretty high.
Kids making the decision to drop out of school to commit to full time progaming is an enormous gamble, especially in countries like South Korea where education is so heavily emphasized. You can't be just "decent" to be accepted to a Progaming house, and even after you've been accepted, you'll get the boot if your team decides you don't have enough potential. You also don't receive any salary if you're not one of the top players. Realize that these kids are dropping out of not colleges, but middle schools and high schools. If they fail this gamble, their future is quite bleak. It's really nowhere as easy over there as many people in this forum think it is.
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On April 12 2013 13:24 ThomasR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:21 Canas wrote:On April 12 2013 13:18 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:16 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 12 2013 13:13 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:10 Canas wrote:On April 12 2013 13:03 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:02 AgentW wrote:On April 12 2013 13:00 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 12:59 DaCruise wrote:
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Most people HAVE to do both if you are outside of Korea. Get a clue!
Catz actually knows what he is talking about. He knows what he's talking about as far as a 20 something who wants to make money playing video games...Are you seriously implying that blizzard should make it easier for non-koreans to make money? Yes, and that's CatZ's point. As a long term investment, Blizzard investing in building NA and EU will be best for the scene if they can come somewhere close to Korea. It's not blizzards job to make you better at starcraft. It's not blizzards job to make it easier for non-koreans to win money. I can't believe there are people arguing for pseudo esports welfare! If you're not good enough to win money, maybe this isn't for you.... How is that good for the scene though? He's not asking blizzard to make foreigners better at starcraft, or make it easier for foreigners to win money, he's asking blizzard to create an opportunity for foreigners to actually be given the same chance to become as good as koreans, since there just isn't one right now. Korea has A LOT of teamhouses where you can go to live and only play starcraft if you're good at the game. Someone with that same kind of potential who lives in NA or europe doesn't have that, and even if that person has the desire to practice 10-12 hours a day, that's not a possibility because he has to have a job or he simply won't have anywhere to live. I know this is hard to accept, but really it's not in blizzards best interest to just shovel money at lesser skilled players. Look at pro sports as an example. Do you really think people in AAA minor leagues should have the same contracts as people playing in the majors? That's being generous and saying NA players are on a comparable level to minor league players. In reality, there barely above a comparable "varsity level". This is professional video games guys, not brain surgery. It's not essential that NA progamers make a living doing this. It is essential if Blizzard wants to make this a sustainable game that allows people to have careers in it. If they can't make money doing it then no new talent will develop and korea will just run over every other region just like what happened in BW I don't think it's blizzard's goal to foster a generation of lackluster NA talent propped up by inflated prize pools and artificial monetary incentives. There's only so much money to go around, and it should go to the best players ONLY. (In my opinion of course) NA not having any talent is not the problem, NA talent not even being given the chance to prosper, is the problem. NA having a NA-only tournament isn't going to help NA players improve, if they do nothing about their training regiment
I disagree. By creating an incentive to play harder (easier money) it creates better competition between NA players over time, building up to hardcore training and a scene that can battle Korea. This is obviously far away, but we need to start something now.
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On April 12 2013 13:24 ThomasR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:21 Canas wrote:On April 12 2013 13:18 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:16 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 12 2013 13:13 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:10 Canas wrote:On April 12 2013 13:03 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 13:02 AgentW wrote:On April 12 2013 13:00 Klipsys wrote:On April 12 2013 12:59 DaCruise wrote:
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Most people HAVE to do both if you are outside of Korea. Get a clue!
Catz actually knows what he is talking about. He knows what he's talking about as far as a 20 something who wants to make money playing video games...Are you seriously implying that blizzard should make it easier for non-koreans to make money? Yes, and that's CatZ's point. As a long term investment, Blizzard investing in building NA and EU will be best for the scene if they can come somewhere close to Korea. It's not blizzards job to make you better at starcraft. It's not blizzards job to make it easier for non-koreans to win money. I can't believe there are people arguing for pseudo esports welfare! If you're not good enough to win money, maybe this isn't for you.... How is that good for the scene though? He's not asking blizzard to make foreigners better at starcraft, or make it easier for foreigners to win money, he's asking blizzard to create an opportunity for foreigners to actually be given the same chance to become as good as koreans, since there just isn't one right now. Korea has A LOT of teamhouses where you can go to live and only play starcraft if you're good at the game. Someone with that same kind of potential who lives in NA or europe doesn't have that, and even if that person has the desire to practice 10-12 hours a day, that's not a possibility because he has to have a job or he simply won't have anywhere to live. I know this is hard to accept, but really it's not in blizzards best interest to just shovel money at lesser skilled players. Look at pro sports as an example. Do you really think people in AAA minor leagues should have the same contracts as people playing in the majors? That's being generous and saying NA players are on a comparable level to minor league players. In reality, there barely above a comparable "varsity level". This is professional video games guys, not brain surgery. It's not essential that NA progamers make a living doing this. It is essential if Blizzard wants to make this a sustainable game that allows people to have careers in it. If they can't make money doing it then no new talent will develop and korea will just run over every other region just like what happened in BW I don't think it's blizzard's goal to foster a generation of lackluster NA talent propped up by inflated prize pools and artificial monetary incentives. There's only so much money to go around, and it should go to the best players ONLY. (In my opinion of course) NA not having any talent is not the problem, NA talent not even being given the chance to prosper, is the problem. NA having a NA-only tournament isn't going to help NA players improve, if they do nothing about their training regiment
Well of course, I'm not saying catz has the end all be all answer, because he doesn't, I'm just saying that if blizzard wants sc2 to be a game with international competition (and it seems like they do), they need to do something to give foreign players more opportunities to be the best that they can be.
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On April 12 2013 13:20 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 13:19 figq wrote:
Even with global "fiber optics", latency can't be perfectly solved, because it is capped by the speed of light traveling around the earth. And so far the speed of light is considered fixed. (; I'd say its fast enough.
It is super nice - capped somewhere at 0.1 sec latency. Still not as good as LAN though.
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