EPTFor whatever it's worth, I'd pay for extra content from sotg, as long as its available after the show. Most of the time, I catch up with the show after the fact while I'm working around the house. Its definitely my favorite source of sc2 content/media.
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Smackzilla
United States539 Posts
For whatever it's worth, I'd pay for extra content from sotg, as long as its available after the show. Most of the time, I catch up with the show after the fact while I'm working around the house. Its definitely my favorite source of sc2 content/media. | ||
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GumThief
Canada284 Posts
The amount of time you guys have put it and will continue to put in warrants it IMO. | ||
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
I would still probably watch the show, but doing this would probably kill e-sports as we know it. | ||
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Kon-Tiki
United States402 Posts
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TheAlchemist89
160 Posts
On January 06 2012 09:05 SkimGuy wrote: I don't like the idea of subscription. I know it sounds cheap but a long long time ago, JP said he was doing things like this for the love of Starcraft, and that this type of thing would always remain free (he even used it as an excuse for the people complaining on the forums - "It's free so shut the fuck up."). Going back on your word is kind of a dick move and just seems like selling out. I would still probably watch the show, but doing this would probably kill e-sports as we know it. I'm not sure if this constitutes as selling out... he has stated that nothing will change for non subscribers. If that's true, then I don't see a problem with them garnering what financial support folks are willing to offer up for extra content. If they try to monetize SotG in it's normal form, this would likely kill the show, but from what's been said it really doesn't sound like that's what they are trying to do. I think the fear comes from MLG axing all shows that were not profitable. | ||
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Jebusrocks
Canada62 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
Is it just me or are people involved in the SC2 scene starting to get a little greedy. Donations? What would this money be going towards? Their pockets? You guys have a job, you are paid a salary. How much different is this then a high paid lawyer going and standing on a street corner begging for money even though he doesn't need it, he just wants more | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On January 06 2012 13:57 magnaflow wrote: What exactly would the benefits be of buying a membership? It's a show with four people talking, what other content could you really provide that would warrant a fee? Is it just me or are people involved in the SC2 scene starting to get a little greedy. Donations? What would this money be going towards? Their pockets? You guys have a job, you are paid a salary. How much different is this then a high paid lawyer going and standing on a street corner begging for money even though he doesn't need it, he just wants more Because these guys arent paid like a high paid lawyer. | ||
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Magnitoo
Serbia125 Posts
On January 04 2012 09:08 MCDayC wrote: I'm not against the subscriber idea, but bear in mind that it works for Day[9] because he puts out content everyday of the weak, whereas paying money for a weakly show seems much worse. Also, it kinda ruins the point of having MLG run the show, as the whole idea was that the show could remain free, and MLG would provide the money, and the advertisements for the show. You might as well have gone independent if there was a lard enough subscriber base. That being said, people will always want the support SotG, the show rocks so much that there are lots of loyal fans. | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On January 06 2012 14:10 jmbthirteen wrote: Because these guys arent paid like a high paid lawyer. Obviously not, but they aren't homeless either. They made the decision to sign the contract. Can you not see that people could be taken advantage of just to line their pockets? Geoff said himselft they aren't starving. Pretty sure he isn't paying the mortgage in the house he lives in. They're basically saying "hey you don't have to give us money, but we won't say no if you do" That is greed. Ah well, I could see where there going with this. Lets make as much as we can now before it's too late. And I don't mean when the e-sports bubble burts, I mean when they are replaced by higher calliber players 2 years down the road and the contract extension is no longer being offered. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 06 2012 14:18 magnaflow wrote: Obviously not, but they aren't homeless either. They made the decision to sign the contract. Can you not see that people could be taken advantage of just to line their pockets? Geoff said himselft they aren't starving. Pretty sure he isn't paying the mortgage in the house he lives in. They're basically saying "hey you don't have to give us money, but we won't say no if you do" That is greed. Ah well, I could see where there going with this. Lets make as much as we can now before it's too late. And I don't mean when the e-sports bubble burts, I mean when they are replaced by higher calliber players 2 years down the road and the contract extension is no longer being offered. Do realize though that he is on EG. Most of the other people who talk in that show are not in EG and EG is one of the best well off teams right now unless I am mistaken on that. Most players don't get amazing salaries and the people on the show they might get salary from MLG (I have no idea) but I doubt its THAT much to be honest. I can understand why they would want an optional subscription fee as to produce content like it or not you need money if you don't want to have a shitty job so you can pay rent/feed/etc. | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On January 06 2012 14:22 blade55555 wrote: Do realize though that he is on EG. Most of the other people who talk in that show are not in EG and EG is one of the best well off teams right now unless I am mistaken on that. Most players don't get amazing salaries and the people on the show they might get salary from MLG (I have no idea) but I doubt its THAT much to be honest. I can understand why they would want an optional subscription fee as to produce content like it or not you need money if you don't want to have a shitty job so you can pay rent/feed/etc. That still doesn't justify them asking people to support them. I could see if the money was going towards the show, or MLG events. I would have 0 issues with that. But from what I have read this money would be going directly into their pockets. It is nobody's fault but their own if they feel they aren't making enough money to support themselves without help from others. They choose their job, not us. There are other people in the world who work far harder and make alot less. It honestly feels like they are trying to take advantage of their popularity to try and make a profit. It just doesn't feel right. The show is something they choose to do on their own free time. If they no longer have that time to spare, or they feel they can't afford to live their normal lives because they aren't getting paid enough from their job as it is, then the people who are struggling should drop the show and go find a part time job doing something else. Like I said earlier, it really feels like they are trying to take advantage of their popularity. Even if the subscription was $1.00 From the 7-10k people who watch the show 2k would probably subscribe. Thats 2K a week, for what? Commercial free VODS? | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
This entire scene is built on popularity to make these guys money. The more popular they are the more money they bring in. These guys get paid to do something 98% (statistics for the win) would do for free in our off time. I think if they keep that in mind, and we simply pay for what we think is worth paying for, things will probably work out just fine. | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On January 06 2012 14:45 SimDawg wrote: What do you think any of this is besides taking advantage of popularity. This entire scene is built on popularity to make these guys money. The more popular they are the more money they bring in. These guys get paid to do something 98% (statistics for the win) would do for free in our off time. I think if they keep that in mind, and we simply pay for what we think is worth paying for, things will probably work out just fine. Basically if they feel they need to earn more money they should be speaking with their employers, not asking us for money. Either do the show because they want to, or don't do it at all. If the show was their only source of income then cool, but they are employed and earn a salary as it is. This would just be free money regardless of amount | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On January 06 2012 14:49 magnaflow wrote: Basically if they feel they need to earn more money they should be speaking with their employers, not asking us for money. Pretty much this...SOTG gives MLG a ton of exposure and they run ads, and they get a ton of viewers...if they want money out of SOTG fans, then instead of running Twitch ads in the ad breaks, run a MLG Gold Membership ad instead for one or two breaks. | ||
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Callandor
Australia57 Posts
On January 06 2012 14:34 magnaflow wrote: That still doesn't justify them asking people to support them. I could see if the money was going towards the show, or MLG events. I would have 0 issues with that. But from what I have read this money would be going directly into their pockets. It is nobody's fault but their own if they feel they aren't making enough money to support themselves without help from others. They choose their job, not us. There are other people in the world who work far harder and make alot less. It honestly feels like they are trying to take advantage of their popularity to try and make a profit. It just doesn't feel right. The show is something they choose to do on their own free time. If they no longer have that time to spare, or they feel they can't afford to live their normal lives because they aren't getting paid enough from their job as it is, then the people who are struggling should drop the show and go find a part time job doing something else. Like I said earlier, it really feels like they are trying to take advantage of their popularity. Even if the subscription was $1.00 From the 7-10k people who watch the show 2k would probably subscribe. Thats 2K a week, for what? Commercial free VODS? Reading your nonsensical posts makes my brain hurt. They provide a show where people can watch and be entertained. If you feel this entertainment is worth money then by all means, you can provide them with some compensation for their time. If not, please continue to watch the free stream. I don't understand how this is taking advantage of their popularity more so than somebody with 2 stream viewers. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On January 06 2012 14:59 jmbthirteen wrote: I really dont see the problem. Its not like they are just asking for money. Perks will be given to those who subscribe. Its like paying for anything. Its not like they are the lawyer begging because when the lawyer is begging he isnt giving anything back. That clearly isnt the case here. What else could they really provide that would justify a paid subscription? | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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