IdrA, National ESL's IEM Cup #3 Issues - Page 10

On August 17 2010 06:02 midway wrote:
There's always issues and drama, heck we are all human and love drama.

While I agree with you on all of those points, you did not mention anything at all about bigT calling Idra the "a move zerg" and CONSTANTLY BMing other amazing players. He is annoying people so much that Chill, a huge member of TL, decided to BM bigT with his BIggerT stream.

On August 17 2010 06:05 InfiniteIce wrote:
Stop comparing this situation to the NBA or the NFL. .

On August 17 2010 06:09 Argolis wrote:


ESL needs to admit they jumped the gun and screwed up last night. They did not manage their casters and admins properly and they let a situation that could have been quickly resolved get out of hand much too quickly. You can't come out and say a player is banned, change your mind, and hand out penalty points and pretend that the former never happened.

When a famous player like Idra deliberatly breaks the rules, refuses to allow a caster into his games and insult the staff. The propper actions must be taken, and I feel this is where the administative staff of this tournament has failed.

This is really an administrative (ESL) problem. They chose the "official" casters and they have to bare the responsability for the actions the casters takes. I'm not trying to defend BigT for his alleged actions, I am just saying that I feel we should not place the majority of the blame on him, on Idra for his alleged actions as well. Altho I feel everyone in this mess is responsible in some way. But at the end of the line, the people who are hosting the tournament (ESL) are the ones who we should be accepting responsability for the problems which arise in their tournament(s) and any controversy needs to be cleared up by them.

On August 17 2010 06:02 midway wrote:
What more do you want me to say? We made mistakes and we are doing our best to resolve them in the most proper way we can. I do think its unreasonable to put the entire burden of last night on National ESL's Admin staff. We are trying to help casters to cast matches so the fans can watch the games. Is that our responsibility, "no". But it does make the experience for all more enjoyable.

On August 17 2010 06:09 ShaperofDreams wrote:
so pretty much you guys fucked up.

what does this have to do with idra?

On August 17 2010 06:08 OreoBoi wrote:
I feel like every issue here could have been solved by casting replays instead of actual games.
The first issue, when he submits his win, ask for replays? Since he thinks that his opponent didn't show up, he wouldn't have replays and you could have checked on the situation.
The second issue, Idra complains about lag, you could have just casted the replays. No one want to see lag. You keep saying that the match has to be streamed because it's good for the audience but I for one don't want to see lag.

What's wrong with casting replays? As long as the results don't get out beforehand, I'm sure no one minds. I liked how the Day[9] and Tasteless showmatch was done with replays and then they interviewed the two after.

Also come on, pay the dude. I think there's a zero tolerance for any kind of mistreatment from a organization that owes you money.

On August 17 2010 06:02 midway wrote: I do think its unreasonable to put the entire burden of last night on National ESL's Admin staff.

On August 17 2010 05:56 Voyager I wrote:
I don't think BigT means to be offensive; he just doesn't realize when he is. His attempted humor certainly didn't do anything to help the situation, but that's equal parts IdrA being a bitch.

As for IdrA...if he wants to be respected as a professional, he's going to have to learn to act like one sooner or later. That means respecting your opponents and associated organizations and even putting up with other people's bullshit without calling anyone names. I honestly give credit to any organization willing to pull the cord on him if he insists on acting like a dick.

This isn't to say that BigT shouldn't be talked to about his own conduct.

On August 17 2010 06:12 Surrealz wrote:
Honestly, ESL just doesn't like Idra. Their staff, does not like idra. They are here to make money, they are not here to help us. They will give us a "quality event", as long as they make money.

On August 17 2010 06:12 Surrealz wrote:
Honestly, ESL just doesn't like Idra. Their staff, does not like idra. They are here to make money, they are not here to help us. They will give us a "quality event", as long as they make money. They see Idra as a liability and do not like him, and are BMing him nonstop.

Fortunately there are members of the community such as myself that recognize how brutally awesome idra is at starcraft. ESL is not what is going to make this esport rise, its going to be the players. ESL, you are not gracing Idra by letting him play. If you kick him out or stop him from playing, he will just go win another tournament.

ESL has been like this forever. In CS it was no different. There have been problems like this FOREVER with them. Their staff is really BM.

On August 17 2010 06:02 midway wrote:


What more do you want me to say? We made mistakes and we are doing our best to resolve them in the most proper way we can. I do think its unreasonable to put the entire burden of last night on National ESL's Admin staff. We are trying to help casters to cast matches so the fans can watch the games. Is that our responsibility, "no". But it does make the experience for all more enjoyable.

As for the issues with the players reporting matches incorrectly and IdrA's travel, what more do you expect from any organization? There's always issues and drama, heck we are all human and love drama. But I'm confident in my staff and National ESL that we have done the best we can to correct and fix issues to limit their chances of recurring and new problems to arise.

On August 17 2010 06:09 Argolis wrote:
ESL needs to admit they jumped the gun and screwed up last night. They did not manage their casters and admins properly and they let a situation that could have been quickly resolved get out of hand much too quickly. You can't come out and say a player is banned, change your mind, and hand out penalty points and pretend that the former never happened.

When a famous player like Idra deliberatly breaks the rules, refuses to allow a caster into his games and insult the staff. The propper actions must be taken, and I feel this is where the administative staff of this tournament has failed.

This is really an administrative (ESL) problem. They chose the "official" casters and they have to bare the responsability for the actions the casters takes. I'm not trying to defend BigT for his alleged actions, I am just saying that I feel we should not place the majority of the blame on him, on Idra for his alleged actions as well. Altho I feel everyone in this mess is responsible in some way. But at the end of the line, the people who are hosting the tournament (ESL) are the ones who we should be accepting responsability for the problems which arise in their tournament(s) and any controversy needs to be cleared up by them.

On August 17 2010 06:02 midway wrote:
I do think its unreasonable to put the entire burden of last night on National ESL's Admin staff. We are trying to help casters to cast matches so the fans can watch the games. Is that our responsibility, "no". But it does make the experience for all more enjoyable.