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On August 17 2010 00:01 Slipspace wrote: honestly its not the micro transactions that bother me, its the fact that its necessary because we only have one name when bnet 1.0 offered so much more
I would say that bnet 1.0 was a little chaotic when everybody had 3+ accounts and my friend list maxed out. bnet 2.0 is more organized for sure.
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On August 17 2010 10:09 Spork wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 00:27 Polis wrote:On August 17 2010 00:04 Tump wrote:When it starts actually harming things that matter (which it won't) then I'll be against it. Yes it does, it shifts development importance for gimmicks that they can sell, and it often makes companies arbitrary remove something just to sell it later, like cross realm play possibly, or changing a nick name. Micro transactions also makes marketing even more important then development, if you promote companies for trying to find new ways to charge you more, then they will grow to do it. This guy is spot on. Also OP should have the shit kicked out of him for spending money he admittedly doesn't have on stupid shit like Thor wings.
I didn't buy the collectors edition because I couldn't afford it, because I had a friend I could steal the art book from, and because I'm a zerg player so I don't care for thors. So thank you for your assumptions and for a well-thought contribution.
I admitted to buying Dragon Age / ME2 / LoL DLC, because at the time I had expendable money. Right now I don't. Some might claim Karma, but an expensive move to a new house with a lot of hidden fees to bite you in the ass has nothing to do with my love for good DLC. I would never tell someone to buy DLC when they can't afford it, let alone practice hypocrisy in doing so- thanks for the vote of confidence.
I hope you get the shit kicked out of you. (see how stupid that sounds?)
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Now i agree that we obviously have to pay for extra stuff like missions and i would buy a dlc in a heartbeat. A dlc is way different than a few features though.
The thing i don't agree with is charging us for features we had previously. I saw a blue post on the bnet forum that said "Developing and implementing a name change service doesn't take any effort?" Of course it takes effort, but it took some as well previously and we did not get charged for it. Now I won't change my name, because i like my name and i think i'm the only one with it(not same as forum name) So that whole thing does not affect me so much, but if they do name change, what will they do next? Give us extra characters per account for a price? Make us pay for private channels whenever they add chat? I think its more of a concern about blizz charging for features we should have right now, and for free. Everything that was available in bnet 1.0 should at least be free in bnet 2.0...
Also I think a lot of the shit going around right now would pass easier if bobby kotick/activision was not behind it.
Also i don't care if they charge for cosmetic changes, and i understand why they don't allow user created content to use in ladder games as someone could easily create a skin that shows through fog (think those wall hack skins in fps games, making walls invisible or body glow through walls). I guess they could restrict them so they would not work as long as it's not a custom game (Think something like sv_pure, if you play valve games) The only thing i care about for those cosmetic changes is that if i did not buy it, i don't want to see it(in game at least, would not care for avatars and similar stuff) I honestly don't like the CE thor and i don't want to see it, but I'm forced to because someone else bought it.
(sorry for the english) (those are opinions)
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im sick of microtransactions and extra DLC fees. i hate this damn new trend. all this shit use to be free when u bought a game., new updates, patches, updates with content etc. now publishers are holding content back on purpose and they charging as dlc when it was created before retail. and yes the sc2 being three parts was a money decision. why get paid big one time from the mass of fans when you can get paid 3 times. its obvioiuse.
oh yah look what they did with cod5 charge you money for new maps.. lol that shit use to be free.. fk this ppl who support all this microsht
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buying goodies and stuff in game via microtransaction always give me a lot of happiness and gratification, it is like getting new shiny shoes often when you can do fine with one or two pair a year. In my opinion its awesome, and it refreshes interest in the game.
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I love my collectors edition Thor. I listen to the soundtrack in the car and thoroughly enjoyed the artwork book and comic. I've even used the Raynor USB stick a couple of times.
Collectors Ed is totally baller, the only thing that sucks is I couldn't give away the WoW pet.
I'm all for being able to buy extra content, games are pretty cheap when compared to a lot of the stuff that people waste money on.
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The OP makes a good point of how microtransactions CAN be ok IF they don't affect blance/gameplay I.E cosmetic, etc. That being said I felt this was not worthy of its own thread and the OP is just justifying to himself all the money he has blown on DLC....
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Tbh, I'd rarther pay $10/mo than having to spend $10 every 2 months for some stuff, but that's just because I hate using my debitcard, if it's just a recurring fee I don't really feel it as much as i do when i pay for stuff.
But no, I don't mind microtransaction, as long as it doesn't impact the experience for people who doesn't pay.
I.e I'd hate it if we were able to pay for a new skin for something (I already hate that blizz gave collectors edition a special thor look), but an extra character slot on the account or a character rename, that's cool with me.
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As soon as I could I hopped on the b.net forums to say "please sell us custom race skins!"
Definitely a fan of micro-transactions. A badass game like Starcraft II can make a ton of money on idiot taxes like pretty unit skins and portraits, allowing Blizzard to better serve everyone.
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If someone wants to buy DLC by all means. If a company wishes to release new features and also charge you for them, who are you to complain?
" oh yah look what they did with cod5 charge you money for new maps.. lol that shit use to be free.. fk this ppl who support all this microsht "
Yeah before companies became all greedy and shit and now want to take your money/blah blah blah I don't see them having really any obligation to you, you bought the game, they don't have to release more content; they already gave you everything your money was worth. (you might not think it is, but hey you paid for it good job) If they hold back stuff so they can release it later, then you either miss out on it because you don't think it's worth the money, or you buy it because you think it is. Simple as that really.
If it's worth it to someone, who are you to tell them they are a fool for buying it? Seriously. I think that mp3 players are a serious waste of money, since 300 dollars (pending model obviously) is a lot of money and I don't have a dying need to listen to music wherever I am. But then again, other people enjoy being able to listen to music wherever they are, while they are jogging, etc. So the 300 is obviously worth it to them.
) I honestly don't like the CE thor and i don't want to see it, but I'm forced to because someone else bought it. And oh grow up. You're acting like you're a victim or something
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Any useful game function should not require a micro-transaction and should be responded to with outrage if it does. The reason for this: These functions already should have been included in the game. People don't like to be ripped off.
If you want to pay for cosmetic BS then feel free by all means. When it comes to actual functionality, however, Blizzard has got to be joking if it wants us to pay extra for it.
On August 17 2010 11:41 Pablols wrote: buying goodies and stuff in game via microtransaction always give me a lot of happiness and gratification, it is like getting new shiny shoes often when you can do fine with one or two pair a year. In my opinion its awesome, and it refreshes interest in the game. Can't tell if this was sarcastic or what.
People who spend money on things they absolutely don't need are stupid.
On August 17 2010 11:10 Nokarot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 10:09 Spork wrote:On August 17 2010 00:27 Polis wrote:On August 17 2010 00:04 Tump wrote:When it starts actually harming things that matter (which it won't) then I'll be against it. Yes it does, it shifts development importance for gimmicks that they can sell, and it often makes companies arbitrary remove something just to sell it later, like cross realm play possibly, or changing a nick name. Micro transactions also makes marketing even more important then development, if you promote companies for trying to find new ways to charge you more, then they will grow to do it. This guy is spot on. Also OP should have the shit kicked out of him for spending money he admittedly doesn't have on stupid shit like Thor wings. I didn't buy the collectors edition because I couldn't afford it, because I had a friend I could steal the art book from, and because I'm a zerg player so I don't care for thors. So thank you for your assumptions and for a well-thought contribution. I admitted to buying Dragon Age / ME2 / LoL DLC, because at the time I had expendable money. Right now I don't. Some might claim Karma, but an expensive move to a new house with a lot of hidden fees to bite you in the ass has nothing to do with my love for good DLC. I would never tell someone to buy DLC when they can't afford it, let alone practice hypocrisy in doing so- thanks for the vote of confidence. I hope you get the shit kicked out of you. (see how stupid that sounds?) Cool so you had a reserve of funds that you could have saved for later, but you blew it on some dumb shit that you didn't need. Now you do need it and you don't have it because you're a mindless consumer.
Congratulations!
edit: I don't mean to be obnoxiously offensive, but it's a bit absurd that people want to waste their money, and in the process are encouraging Blizzard to try and rip me off. I don't want to have to pay to play on different regions. That's a standard function in any other game, that doesn't exist in SC2 because of people like the OP. I'm not going to be paying for any game function which should have existed from release for no extra charge.
Not to mention $60 is more than a game is really worth due to the fact that it's all digital now, but that deserves its own thread. It's relevant to SC2 though, because it's a major factor for the failure of SC2 in Korea. They don't want to spend that much money on a game.
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Microtransactions are all good in situations where a company has developed something new post-release (new maps, aesthetic features etc). But when they are do absolutely nothing and charge you for it (name changes will most likely be an automated service that they already have the programming for), that's when it's fucking annoying.
I might pay more money if I knew it was going to contribute to a pay rise for the actual developers, artists etc. But it will probably just go towards fattening Bobby Kotick's already unreasonably large paycheck.
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I think the idea of microtransaction for a game like SC2 should only be made if the game was free like LoL. I can also see having things like the ability to change names or reset rankings/ladders could be useful for players too. So microtransaction is fine as long as paying means you get cosmetic addons that won't really affect the game.
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On August 17 2010 12:56 Pokedude1013 wrote:If someone wants to buy DLC by all means. If a company wishes to release new features and also charge you for them, who are you to complain? " oh yah look what they did with cod5 charge you money for new maps.. lol that shit use to be free.. fk this ppl who support all this microsht " Yeah before companies became all greedy and shit and now want to take your money/blah blah blah I don't see them having really any obligation to you, you bought the game, they don't have to release more content; they already gave you everything your money was worth. (you might not think it is, but hey you paid for it good job) If they hold back stuff so they can release it later, then you either miss out on it because you don't think it's worth the money, or you buy it because you think it is. Simple as that really. If it's worth it to someone, who are you to tell them they are a fool for buying it? Seriously. I think that mp3 players are a serious waste of money, since 300 dollars (pending model obviously) is a lot of money and I don't have a dying need to listen to music wherever I am. But then again, other people enjoy being able to listen to music wherever they are, while they are jogging, etc. So the 300 is obviously worth it to them. Show nested quote + ) I honestly don't like the CE thor and i don't want to see it, but I'm forced to because someone else bought it. And oh grow up. You're acting like you're a victim or something
i dont like it either and i bought the CE. anyway i can disable it?
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whatever happen to the good old days of SC1, CS, and War3???
Maps are suppose to be free, chart and cross realm are suppose to be part of the system, and company dont charge for a freaking name change...
If blizzard start charging for things like chart or cross realm, than good buy battlenet2.0, hello pirate server.
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i will care because they'll shove up all their offers in my face.
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I don't really care about paid services,never needed them really. They are carefully crafted to fit retarded,careless people who don't give a shit about their earnings. It's a moral imperative under an evolutionary standpoint to rip these people off,natural selection you know yes? You punish them for being careless,next generation will hopefully learn. Or maybe if someones becomes weaker,another one become stronger. Evolution has always had these rules. The noob/clueless/careless one perishes to the pro/skilled/smart/shady one.
Back on the ground of the average joe: You know what people say by the way? "It's my money,I do whatever I want with 'em!"(heard that a whole lot on italian boards,belive me). So why should we care about them wasting their resources anyway? I don't,for istance,I don't give a car's wheel about that. I keep my money safe and sound. If they come and ask me more money,I won't give em,that's how I roll. I'll play older games and be fine with that.
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If you buy a collector's edition, or say, a "limited" edition, you should expect it to be that, "limited". As in, if it lets the player flash his shiny new Thor, then so be it. (I mean OBVIOUSLY, you are a bigger fan than me, OBVIOUSLY. /sarcasm) You shouldn't have microtransactions every 2 months, however. In other words, I only expect them to do this thing once.
Name changes are a different matter. Whilst people should not abuse their names, $10 is a bit steep.
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i purchased the collectors edition. i look at the collectors not for the thor animation or the wow pet but for the art book and sc:one usb stick. - as far as micro transactions... i think they will always have a place. blizzard want to charge people 10 bucks for a wow pet or 25 bucks for a wow horse then im fine with it, cause basically people enjoy it. everyday people spend their money for enjoyment so this really doesn't differ. micro transactions that change the balance of a game by either extra damage / extra better awesomeness of some type then yes i think most people will have objections. in sc2 everyone is at the same level. in wow however this is completely different. e.g. you spend 50 hours raiding over 10 weeks (for example) and you get all of teirX gear. if blizzard then said for 100USD you can buy all of tierX gear. is this a bad thing? - YES, because the people who put time in to the game have no real reward or status - NO, it gives people who have families, work, etc the ability to compete at the same level as people who have lots of time the question is where do you draw the line. in a business model like sc2 the money is clearly in exp and blizzard figured this our early and thus we have a three tiered game. in wow the money comes in subscriptions and this is done by player enjoyment. how blizzard deems fit to make people happy could and ultimately will be done by micro transactions.
in conclusion starcraft 2: will be protected from micro transactions say for small things like name change, extra avatars, different models, etc BUT nothing to effect the game world of warcraft: micro transactions will only increase as subscriptions fall. they will integrate themselves in to the very fabric of the game. will the game eventually leave subscription and move to micro transactions only? this is a strong possibility diablo 3: this is to be seen, as an action RPG the ability for extra levels becomes a key business structure as well as expansions like starcraft 2. the ability to charge users for extra items etc is most definitely on the cards however
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why is everybody calling this "Micro transactions". Is it because you need high apm to get them? Seriously, i worked for the IT dep. of a cradit card firm and not even 1 cent is called a "Micro" Transaction. Its a normal transaction as 1 million usd would be. Get serious about it Its not getting better or cheaper if Blizz or us calls it Micro transactions. really
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