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On August 17 2010 11:10 Nokarot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 10:09 Spork wrote:On August 17 2010 00:27 Polis wrote:On August 17 2010 00:04 Tump wrote:When it starts actually harming things that matter (which it won't) then I'll be against it. Yes it does, it shifts development importance for gimmicks that they can sell, and it often makes companies arbitrary remove something just to sell it later, like cross realm play possibly, or changing a nick name. Micro transactions also makes marketing even more important then development, if you promote companies for trying to find new ways to charge you more, then they will grow to do it. This guy is spot on. Also OP should have the shit kicked out of him for spending money he admittedly doesn't have on stupid shit like Thor wings. I didn't buy the collectors edition because I couldn't afford it, because I had a friend I could steal the art book from, and because I'm a zerg player so I don't care for thors. So thank you for your assumptions and for a well-thought contribution. I admitted to buying Dragon Age / ME2 / LoL DLC, because at the time I had expendable money. Right now I don't. Some might claim Karma, but an expensive move to a new house with a lot of hidden fees to bite you in the ass has nothing to do with my love for good DLC. I would never tell someone to buy DLC when they can't afford it, let alone practice hypocrisy in doing so- thanks for the vote of confidence. I hope you get the shit kicked out of you. (see how stupid that sounds?)
Is it really? When I read what DLC that cost about 10-15$ offers then it sounds really bad. I much rather prefer full fledged expansion for 30$ that offers way more then all DLC put together, cost much less, and when I add something to game to play it again that I prefer for it to be significant then adding small content at diferent times. It is pretty obvious that DLC cut into development of the next game/expansion, people that are in DLC team would be in team that makes next game/expansion. DLC is also very limiting to many games, you can't really rework how the game world is in DLC like you can in bigger expansion G2:Notr comes to mind, if they would give couple DLC instead of it, then the game would just get few new areas.
If DLC will make more money the expansions then we will get more DLC, and less expansion (already happening now), that is my main problem with it.
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Nokarot wrote:
I've spent $20-30 buying DLC for Mass Effect 2, and maybe $10 on Dragon Age (with more to come shortly) on top of paying $60 each for both Collectors editions. I forget the exact prices, but for each game I managed to log 30+ hours for a single playthrough, and a good 2-3+ hours for each piece of DLC, a price and length which beats out the average movie ticket nowadays. People say I'm a sucker, but why? All I've done is bought mini-expansions to the games- a new array of weapons and units to use, as well as additions to the campaign story itself.
It´s pretty obvious you´re A) tipical pc gamer who locks itself at the pc the entire weekend; or B) you have pretty much money to paid for every form of entertainment around.
Some people, most of it, can´t pay for every fun stuff. If i spend my U$s60 of monthly entertainment just because Sc is the only game i really love, i don´t want to keep having to spend on it.
[Btw, you can´t compare going out, to a movie, a restaurant or whatever, with sit and play a game at home....That´s make to think you´re a A) case]
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For those who don't play League of Legends, it is a free game. You can pay money to buy out-of-game experience point boosts and whatnot, which will get you to a higher out-of-game level faster (too unrelated to explain but, for simplicity sake, lets just say its not a big deal in-game) and buy custom skins to make your heroes look awesome.
God lord, i play "free" League of Legends". The difference between paid and no paid versions is HUGE. To get 1 of the best heroes it takes about 80 hs of game time, OR, of curse, you can paid, specially when your ass keep being kicked with these heroes. And those are the transactions which we have to be scared. Why? Because the 99%of games which starts with simple "stylish" transactions, ends with game-breaking paids. Check Modern Warfare 2...which casually comes from the same company...
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I like how many of you feel its necessary to break down to personal attacks on a topic that was meant to be purely debate. But thanks- I go out and see movies every other weekend, and occasionally go out and take pictures and work on artwork on weekends. Recently my family bought a new $360,000 house, are forced to pay off two houses simultaneously for a few months, and have paid upwards of $5,000 in unexpected repair fees, home owners association fees, and much more, which is making money tight for all of us.
If I had chose not to buy ME2/Dragon Age/LoL DLC, I'd be in the exact same boat, except $50 richer, and whats the difference between having $50 and $100 when you're talking about thousands? Every bit counts, sure, but I'm not "stupid" for buying DLC given financial struggles 6 months after the fact.
On August 17 2010 21:53 Krychek wrote:Let´s see... Show nested quote +Nokarot wrote:
I've spent $20-30 buying DLC for Mass Effect 2, and maybe $10 on Dragon Age (with more to come shortly) on top of paying $60 each for both Collectors editions. I forget the exact prices, but for each game I managed to log 30+ hours for a single playthrough, and a good 2-3+ hours for each piece of DLC, a price and length which beats out the average movie ticket nowadays. People say I'm a sucker, but why? All I've done is bought mini-expansions to the games- a new array of weapons and units to use, as well as additions to the campaign story itself. It´s pretty obvious you´re A) tipical pc gamer who locks itself at the pc the entire weekend; or B) you have pretty much money to paid for every form of entertainment around. Some people, most of it, can´t pay for every fun stuff. If i spend my U$s60 of monthly entertainment just because Sc is the only game i really love, i don´t want to keep having to spend on it. [Btw, you can´t compare going out, to a movie, a restaurant or whatever, with sit and play a game at home....That´s make to think you´re a A) case] Show nested quote +Nokarot wrote:
For those who don't play League of Legends, it is a free game. You can pay money to buy out-of-game experience point boosts and whatnot, which will get you to a higher out-of-game level faster (too unrelated to explain but, for simplicity sake, lets just say its not a big deal in-game) and buy custom skins to make your heroes look awesome. God lord, i play "free" League of Legends". The difference between paid and no paid versions is HUGE. To get 1 of the best heroes it takes about 80 hs of game time, OR, of curse, you can paid, specially when your ass keep being kicked with these heroes. And those are the transactions which we have to be scared. Why? Because the 99%of games which starts with simple "stylish" transactions, ends with game-breaking paids. Check Modern Warfare 2...which casually comes from the same company...
If you only have a $60 budget and decide to buy SC2, that's cool. You don't want to pay any more money on it? Then don't. The DLC I'm talking about is purely optional and you dont have to spend a single dime to get or do anything.
In regards to league of legends, buying hero that takes "80 hours" to get doesn't provide you with an advantage, it just saves you time. You will enter the game with the same level 1 hero as everyone else- something which will probably be free during the free champion rotation the following week anyway. If you're getting your ass kicked by a hero that someone spent money on, that's a fault of yours. Most of these heroes are fairly balanced, AND can be acquired for free anyway.
And frankly, I feel I can, if I so choose, compare DLC gaming prices to movies. $5 for 2-4 hours of DLC in the comfort of my own home, talking about it with friends who may have purchased the same DLC, versus $10 (if you're lucky, in some places) for a 1.5-2.5 hour movie, plus any popcorn or drinks or whatever, plus dinner if you decide on that, plus gas 'and' time spent traveling if you don't have a good theater close by.
I go out to movies occasionally, and because I do I can say that I feel DLC is far more economical. The argument that going out to a movie is "better" is opinion, not fact. Both can be social experiences, too, although I don't recall anyone ever getting laid after a night of DLC.
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Show nested quote + I honestly don't like the CE thor and i don't want to see it, but I'm forced to because someone else bought it. And oh grow up. You're acting like you're a victim or something
I'm sorry for stating my opinion?
i dont like it either and i bought the CE. anyway i can disable it?
I don't think its possible but I may be wrong.
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*Lurker unburrows
So not only are you going to let them get away with splitting the game into three separate products, charging a greater than average RRP for the first iteration and probably a similar amount for the next two, but you are going to pave the way for micro transactions in SC2 for things you would have got in the original for free?
*Lurker burrows.
*Marines sidestep Lurker spines.
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No?
If they split the game in to 3 games, then I have three times the single player gameplay to enjoy. There's nothing wrong with buying 3 games if they are 3 full games, which single-player wise, they are. Starcraft 1 had 10 missions for each race. Starcraft 2 had 30 missions for just terran, 30 missions for Zerg in HotS, and 30 missions for Protoss in LotV. In terms of single player, anyway, that's like buying a Sequel more than it is buying an expansion.
And again. No?
If you read my OP then you'll see that I never suggested paying money for features that we got in SC1 for free, ala chat rooms and whatnot. That would be dumb. All I want is additional content and customization options, not features. Features, especially those already promised to us, should be given freely.
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