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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
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Dyno.
United States286 Posts
On August 05 2010 16:58 ktimekiller wrote: david kim is rank 1 with 3k achivement points, what a monster It's impressive, but I think people are overlooking the fact that he's probably played every mission probably over a hundred times each. Where do you think he went after he dropped off the face of the earth after the first phase of beta? I highly doubt that any particular achievement took him more than a single try. As for his ladder rating, there are plenty of ways that Blizzard could test at the highest level without having to use such a controversial method as giving him an inaccurate rating. Personally, I think his rating is legitimate. It makes complete sense that he wouldn't have as good of a win percentage as other top players. First of all, he plays random; so he may have a fairly poor record with his worst race. Second of all, do you guys remember his replays from beta? He plays with the some of the most bizarre strategies you can think of; basically toying with his opponents some of the time. Remember that game where he made a 200/200 all-baneling army and rolled over one of the top players at the time (who happened to be streaming; can't remember who)? I can totally see him dropping lots of games when he's playing against a player who he is heavily favored against, trying some cute off-the-wall strategy, and having it backfire. When he actually digs in and tries his best against his best opponents, he probably has as good of a record as anyone. I don't know. Just my opinion. I just have a hard time believing Blizzard would compromise the integrity of their rating system by providing one of their employees with an unfairly advantageous account. Especially when there are so many alternative options: simply hiding his account from the rankings, or inviting some of the top players to play on a closed dev server (how many would actually say no at a chance to be a part of balancing SC2). But I mean, I've seen them make worse decisions... | ||
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
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7even.Rantech
Chile39 Posts
Greatman is actually 106-11 now 697 points SrJoseZ is actually 60-25 with 403 points | ||
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ZannX
United States70 Posts
On August 05 2010 13:11 Arcalious wrote: I don't know his identifier. Here is a player with nearly the same record, yet this player only has 605 points. This is a pretty big difference. 910 vs 605. Kuja.US 605 71 32 68.93% You can click on his name on that site and it links you to his battle.net profile webpage where you can find his identifier. Cute way to see which pro is playing games and their match history. | ||
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Arcalious
United States213 Posts
On August 05 2010 21:06 ZannX wrote: You can click on his name on that site and it links you to his battle.net profile webpage where you can find his identifier. Cute way to see which pro is playing games and their match history. Oh, they must have recently added this to the profile page. Thanks for the tip. Good comments by everyone regarding David Kim. Early promotion to diamond league seems to be the best explanation on the point difference between him and others. I know he was one of the first US players to be promoted into Diamond. | ||
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Arcalious
United States213 Posts
Protoss lead the race popularity contest (Protoss 37%, Terran 29%, Zerg 25%). United States has almost half the player population(United States 46%, Europe 33%, Korea 11%, the rest 10%). | ||
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JaspluR
Australia174 Posts
seems points are based on divisions so a 500 point silver =/= 500 point diamond so when they lose points for moving up divisions its kind of like to turn them off from doing that pretty sure its intentional happened to me in phase 2 i got placed in gold 4-1 placements then got promoted to diamond the next day, and also 4-1 in release and promoted to diamond but lost points too | ||
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Sentient
United States437 Posts
Race balance among the top 10K (points) seems to be even as the average win percentage of all races is 59%. Terran 59.73%, Protoss 59.33, Zerg 59.08. Maybe a tiny (.65%) advantage to Terran over Zerg at the moment, but has much does that really matter. dayvie (David Kim) has taken the point lead, but something does not seem right here. dayvie has played less games and has a lower winning % than those below him. Anyone have a possible explanation for this, I wish people would appreciate that your win % does not matter. In an ideal matchmaking system, every person except the best and worst player will have a 50% win ratio. If you are higher than 50%, it means that you are not playing challenging enough opponents. David Kim may simply be playing harder opponents more often than his counterparts. Maybe he has a secret ability to get purposefully matched against top tier players to keep tabs on the latest strategies, but I doubt he gets bonus points from it, other than what you get for beating harder opponents. This also means that you can't draw any racial balance conclusions from win %. The matchmaker will disguise imbalances by shifting everyone towards 50%. The best way is to look at the enrichment of the races as you move up the skill levels, where imbalances will manifest themselves more. Terran comprise 29% of the top 5000 but 42% of the top 100, while the other races remain approximately the same. (In other words, random players are shifting towards Terran at the top tiers.) This suggests that players perceive Terran as being stronger. | ||
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Gomas
Poland311 Posts
[quote]This suggests that players perceive Terran as being stronger.[/QUOTE] Perception is not the truth -.- | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
[QUOTE]On August 06 2010 01:14 Sentient wrote: [quote]This suggests that players perceive Terran as being stronger.[/QUOTE] Perception is not the truth -.-[/QUOTE] He didn't say that. His analysis of the data is correct though. | ||
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Rea
Germany88 Posts
Achievement (* DIAMOND 1v1 level players) Cadman.EU 2025 http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/175515/1/Rea/ 3020 | ||
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Ran)1[S]
Korea (South)11 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:14 Sentient wrote: I wish people would appreciate that your win % does not matter. In an ideal matchmaking system, every person except the best and worst player will have a 50% win ratio. If you are higher than 50%, it means that you are not playing challenging enough opponents. David Kim may simply be playing harder opponents more often than his counterparts. Maybe he has a secret ability to get purposefully matched against top tier players to keep tabs on the latest strategies, but I doubt he gets bonus points from it, other than what you get for beating harder opponents. This also means that you can't draw any racial balance conclusions from win %. The matchmaker will disguise imbalances by shifting everyone towards 50%. The best way is to look at the enrichment of the races as you move up the skill levels, where imbalances will manifest themselves more. Terran compose 29% of the top 5000 but 42% of the top 100, while the other races remain approximately the same. (In other words, random players are shifting towards Terran at the top tiers.) This suggests that players perceive Terran as being stronger. that because of the single player mode too , many of them stick with them after , because that the race they know more . im sure when the other exp will go out , some other race will be more played . | ||
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Arcalious
United States213 Posts
Achievements don't get updated as much. However, you can request a priority update by clicking on the link below the updated column. This will tell the scanner to update the record ASAP. I just did this and your achievements got loaded in. | ||
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Arcalious
United States213 Posts
[quote]The best way is to look at the enrichment of the races as you move up the skill levels, where imbalances will manifest themselves more. Terran comprise 29% of the top 5000 but 42% of the top 100, while the other races remain approximately the same. (In other words, random players are shifting towards Terran at the top tiers.) This suggests that players perceive Terran as being stronger.[/QUOTE] That is a good point. The percentage of Terran definitely increases the higher up you go which suggest Terran is stronger than the other races. Granted this could be due to other factors, but it is something to note. I will add that to the top post. Thanks. | ||
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comis
United States333 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:45 Ran)1[S] wrote: that because of the single player mode too , many of them stick with them after , because that the race they know more . im sure when the other exp will go out , some other race will be more played . Yea I'm sure half of the top 100 diamond players chose Terran because they were used to playing them in the single player missions. | ||
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CCGaunt
United States417 Posts
Great to see that more analysis of the ladder system is coming along. PS. Go Toss!, and Idra | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 06 2010 03:18 comis wrote: Yea I'm sure half of the top 100 diamond players chose Terran because they were used to playing them in the single player missions. there's going to be lots of people who don't realize you are being sarcastic, you need to add some more flare err.. at least i hope you're being sarcastic. | ||
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Rea
Germany88 Posts
Yea I'm sure half of the top 100 diamond players chose Terran because they were used to playing them in the single player missions. im sure 100% of the top100 diamonds have played beta, thus are not influenced by the single player missions | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On August 06 2010 03:12 Arcalious wrote: That is a good point. The percentage of Terran definitely increases the higher up you go which suggest Terran is stronger than the other races. Granted this could be due to other factors, but it is something to note. I will add that to the top post. Thanks. Count=5000 Top=5000 Terran=1452 Zerg=1253 Protoss=1885 Random=410 Protoss 38% Terran 29% Zerg 25% Random 8% Then suddenly on the top 100 Terran 42% Protoss 31% Zerg 25% Random 2% Not only random players shift to Terran, but also Protoss seem to have more difficulty than the other 2 races at the very top, while Terran seems to be the one that advances easier. If zerg and protoss were equally powerful, both should give their % to Terran, instead we see only protoss doing that, meaning that probably, as an average, T > both Z and P, and Z > P. I'm not sure i'm making any logical mistake, though i don't think i am. Anyway this is just another fact to add to the evidence list about imbalances. | ||
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