EPTi mean.. lower win % and in many cases considerably less games played. honestly, what are the chances that magically blizzard's game tester is #1 with way worse stats. this isn't just some guy who is #1 with way worse stats, it's blizzard's game tester being #1 with way worse stats.
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Deleted User 3420
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i mean.. lower win % and in many cases considerably less games played. honestly, what are the chances that magically blizzard's game tester is #1 with way worse stats. this isn't just some guy who is #1 with way worse stats, it's blizzard's game tester being #1 with way worse stats. | ||
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Toadily
United States837 Posts
On August 06 2010 03:24 Rea wrote: im sure 100% of the top100 diamonds have played beta, thus are not influenced by the single player missions There should be a [sarcasm] tag for people like you. | ||
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Arcalious
United States213 Posts
On August 06 2010 03:33 travis wrote: it sure does look like dayvie is "cheating" (if u care enough to call it that). i mean.. lower win % and in many cases considerably less games played. honestly, what are the chances that magically blizzard's game tester is #1 with way worse stats. this isn't just some guy who is #1 with way worse stats, it's blizzard's game tester being #1 with way worse stats. Rumor has it, that his workers also collect bonus pool points if his CC is one extra space from the mineral line and exactly 3 workers are on each Gas. | ||
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Cade
Canada1420 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 06 2010 03:33 travis wrote: it sure does look like dayvie is "cheating" (if u care enough to call it that). i mean.. lower win % and in many cases considerably less games played. honestly, what are the chances that magically blizzard's game tester is #1 with way worse stats. this isn't just some guy who is #1 with way worse stats, it's blizzard's game tester being #1 with way worse stats. People are generally 200 points below him with the same number of wins. One explanation could be that his account was created before the actual midnight launch of sc2 and was accumulating bonus points in that time period | ||
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Easy772
374 Posts
On August 02 2010 12:05 TheYango wrote: Which seems generally consistent with the idea that Terran is overpowered, but Protoss is easier to play. It also seems to indicate that at any skill level outside of high diamond, the latter effect predominates. If you're a protoss player, unless you're in high diamond, you really don't have much to complain about with regard to Terran imbalance. But what if we are playing High Diamond T's? Can I complain then? Seriously I don't think T is SUPER overpowered, I just feel like I have to work a little harder to win vs. them at high level diamond. | ||
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Neon_Monkey
United States270 Posts
I played 3 games against him yesterday when he was about 150 points higher than me; he lost 7 and 8 points for his losses while I lost 14 for mine. | ||
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Arcalious
United States213 Posts
On August 06 2010 04:53 Neon_Monkey wrote: Looking at Dayvie's match history, he seems to get about twice as many points from winning and loses half as many from losing (just a rough estimate). The winning could be explained with a bonus pool, but I don't think that would affect his losses... I played 3 games against him yesterday when he was about 150 points higher than me; he lost 7 and 8 points for his losses while I lost 14 for mine. Just curious, but do you remember who was favored? | ||
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Neon_Monkey
United States270 Posts
On August 06 2010 05:10 Arcalious wrote: Just curious, but do you remember who was favored? IIRC he was slightly favored the first and 3rd game and it was even the second, but I'm not sure. | ||
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Myrkur
United States34 Posts
On August 06 2010 03:59 floor exercise wrote: People are generally 200 points below him with the same number of wins. One explanation could be that his account was created before the actual midnight launch of sc2 and was accumulating bonus points in that time period I think the most likely explanation is that he takes advantage of bonus points. Since he isn't playing as often as other people, he is able to grow his bonus point pool and so his wins are worth double it is of someone that plays for an hour before work, and then again at night thus never gaining bonus points. The ladder also doesn't work how Ladders from 10 years ago work(or ICCup). Traditional ladders have you lose more points and win less points the bigger the point difference between the players(A sort of zero-sum system). I believe in this ladder, the more points you have OVERALL the less you lose and the less you gain for wins regardless of the point difference(not a zero-sum system anymore). My account for instance. When I was around 90 points, a win would grant me 15-20 points. A loss would lose me 14-18 points. Now that I am at 265 a win gets me 10-14 points and a lose loses me 6-11 points. Now add in Bonus points you accumulate for not playing for an extended period of time. The higher you get in the ladder the more those bonus points help you. Say Dayvie goes on Vacation. Right now he is just over 900 points. He is gone for a week and during that week Select gains 100 points over 70ish wins and takes the #1 spot by a few points. Dayvie comes back from Vacation and has 200 bonus points saved up(I'm kind of making this up, don't know how quickly you accumulate points). He only has to win 35 games to match Select's 100 points, and will still have 100 more bonus points giving him an extra boost on top for the next 35 wins. The system is designed to make it so the game doesn't seem like so much of a job. You can take a break from the game and not feel like you will never reach your position again because you can't catch up in points. David Sirlin (of Street Fighter fame) made a blog post on his website that kind of discusses SC2's ladder system, but doesn't go into detail of how it works, so my information is not 100% correct. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
that explanation also doesn't really make sense when you look at idra(or other players) who have actually played LESS than him with a much better w/l but still considerably less points. | ||
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ZannX
United States70 Posts
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Wargizmo
1237 Posts
On August 06 2010 05:59 Myrkur wrote: Say Dayvie goes on Vacation. Right now he is just over 900 points. He is gone for a week and during that week Select gains 100 points over 70ish wins and takes the #1 spot by a few points. Dayvie comes back from Vacation and has 200 bonus points saved up(I'm kind of making this up, don't know how quickly you accumulate points). He only has to win 35 games to match Select's 100 points, and will still have 100 more bonus points giving him an extra boost on top for the next 35 wins. The system is designed to make it so the game doesn't seem like so much of a job. You can take a break from the game and not feel like you will never reach your position again because you can't catch up in points. David Sirlin (of Street Fighter fame) made a blog post on his website that kind of discusses SC2's ladder system, but doesn't go into detail of how it works, so my information is not 100% correct. All players get the same number of bonus points, going on vacation doesn't give you more - in your example Select is getting exactly the same number of bonus points as Dayvie but he's spending them right away, whereas Dayvie is saving them up. Dayvie does benefit though, not because of the week off but because the ladder is still only in its infancy. So if someone stops playing for a week when they get back the number of points the top people have has gone up from 400 something to 900 and all of a sudden the guy on 400 points who went away is playing all these 900 players and getting a ton of points for each win regardless of bonus points. Once the ladder settles down and the top players are all sitting around 2000 points (which is where I would assume a modified ELO system would put them) then it would be harder to take advantage of this. The other reason for Dayvie having more points, as the quote from Idra suggests, is you lose a ton of points when you get promoted so if you get promoted late (apparently you have to lose a certain number of games before getting promoted) then you'll have less points even if you have a ton more wins. | ||
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Arcalious
United States213 Posts
On August 05 2010 21:02 7even.Rantech wrote: SrJoseZ statistics are wrong, Greatman is the owner of that, the webpage mis recognize it. Greatman is actually 106-11 now 697 points SrJoseZ is actually 60-25 with 403 points Region data got corrupted and that messed up Latin American players. I'm in the process of fixing it now. | ||
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aLt)nirvana
Singapore846 Posts
i dont think hes a superaccount, alot of pple just forgot how good dayvie is. hes amazing | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On August 06 2010 15:50 aLt)nirvana wrote: im on "knew how to get into diamond fast" wagon. i dont think hes a superaccount, alot of pple just forgot how good dayvie is. hes amazing Its odd how he has worse stats then players below him and that's why people are kind of suspicious. Dayvie 74-37 964 points Idra 85-12 892 points 11 more wins and 25 less losses yet he is behind by 72 points Huk 95-26 941 21 more wins and 11 less losses but 23 points behind. | ||
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
On August 06 2010 15:56 kNyTTyM wrote: Its odd how he has worse stats then players below him and that's why people are kind of suspicious. Dayvie 74-37 964 points Idra 85-12 892 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 85-12 892 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 85-12 892 end_of_the_skype_highlighting points 11 more wins and 25 less losses yet he is behind by 72 points Huk 95-26 941 21 more wins and 11 less losses but 23 points behind. I do not understand HOW could this happen as well. But it COULD. Since Brat_OK in our division had better win ratio and has less stats even compared with the players, who had a lot of loses. If you was stucked in platinum for a long time, its kinda no surprise that you have better stats/less points. Sorry, it's just my thought. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On August 06 2010 15:56 kNyTTyM wrote: Its odd how he has worse stats then players below him and that's why people are kind of suspicious. Dayvie 74-37 964 points Idra 85-12 892 points 11 more wins and 25 less losses yet he is behind by 72 points Huk 95-26 941 21 more wins and 11 less losses but 23 points behind. it took me 50 games to get into diamond and i lost 700 points when i got there, dunno bout huk but i have way less points than i could have had. | ||
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Sentient
United States437 Posts
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koppik
United States676 Posts
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