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Data Source: sc2pf.com (SC2 Player Finder)
Player News: news related to the top ladder players.
-Starcraft Pulse: Episode 15 - (Video)Tournament and other SC2 related news.
- [GSL]Open S1 - Ro64 Day 1 - (IdrA Win 2-0 vs JiTaeHunZenith) (MakaPrime Wins 2-0 vs Focus)
-SC Center Episode 23 - (Video)Tournament and other SC2 related news.
-Showmatch HuK vs MorroW - MorroW wins 4-2
-[ESL] Go4SC2 Final (August) - BratOK wins 3-0 vs NaNiWa
-Zotac_Cup #20 - pokeroffKas Wins 3-0 vs LaLuSh
-CraftCup #5 - mTwNightEnD wins vs mouzMaNa
-CraftCup US #3 - MurDeR wins vs junny
-Tournament Round up 3 - Team Liquid Tournament Round up #3 by choboPEon.
-Live Streamers : CellaWerra played LzGamer and KawaiiRice in live several matches drawing lots of spectators. Replays CellaWerra vs LzGamer CellaWerra vs KawaiiRice .
-Wolf Cup : Morrow wins Open Wolf Cup 6 vs KawaiiRice.
-ESL : srsRAZERnAni (Naniwa) wins over Satini and in the Go4SC2 #33 finals.
-GSL : Four foreigners, Idra, LiquidTLO, Artosis and TorcH, qualify for the GSL in the 2 day offline open qualifiers in which 2000 players will compete for just 64 spots. 16 Zerg, 21 Terran, 27 Protoss. Half the players are from teams Prime(12), oGs(11) and WeRRa(9). List of all qualifiers here.
-MLG: HuK wins the MLG tournament over KiWiKaKi . Unlike the IEM where Terran and Zerg players dominated the tournament, Protoss players dominated this one.
-HuK, KiWiKaKi and drewbie who are top ladder players on both NA and EU are putting in a very strong showing at the MLG. SUGGY another top multi region ladder player did very well, but has been eliminated by TTOne.
Major League Gaming: The much anticipated MLG tournament start this Friday (Aug 27th) and will be hosted by Day[9], JP, HDStarcraft and Husky. Some notable ladder players competing in the MLG are HuK, Slush, KiWiKaKi, drewbie, qxc, TTOne and Masg. List of more players here. More information for this event can be found at Team Liquid, MLG, and SC2 Center. Speaking of Day[9], he looked exhausted after getting back from the IEM in Germany. Wonder what he is doing on those long flights?
-Multi Region Play: Some players like HuK, KiWiKaKi, drewbie, Idra and Artosis are playing on more than one region and there is a section at http://ps.sc2fp.com that tracks these players and others playing on multiple regions.
-Abandon Ship: Several top players from LA (greatman), SEA (moonGlade) and RU (sinet) have switched to NA or EU. Not really a big surprise as the quality of play on these servers is not up to par.
-HuK puts all those accumulated bonus points to work and reclaims the global point leader spot after taking another mini vacation from laddering.
-Morrow wins the grudge match against Idra at IEM5 fueling the Terran vs Zerg balance discussions even further. Blizzard has stated they are taking a close look at the match up and changes will be coming in the near future. Hopefully there will be a change to the spawn larva mechanic. Unlike Mule and Chrono boost, there is no way to catch up if a player falls behind with it. Also at IEM, the TLO vs Nada showmatch was full of excitement and drama as KESP pulled the plug on the match half way into it. Check out Weapon of Choice, State of the Game - Episode 8, Youtube, and Team Liquid Thread for info (VODS, Replays, Commentary).
-dayvie has accumulated more points than other players with similar records and this has caused more speculation on how the point system works. 3 theories why dayvie has more points than other players with similar records. Extra Bonus Pool Points, due to account being created before release (probably for testing reason). Quick promotion to Diamond league, so not many points were lost when being promoted to Diamond from Platinum. Hidden Match Making Rating (not based on points) is lower than other players with similar records, thus dayvie gains more points from wins and less points are subtracted from a losses. Either way, dayvie is doing really well as a random player and clearly working hard to test the game.
-oGs down 2 players as oGssSKS a.k.a. tester and oGsCool a.k.a. fruitseller leave oGs clan. They will be playing in the upcoming GSL tournament. Source
-Blizzard Releases Top 200 List North America, Europe, and Korea
-1K Club Several more players have joined HuK in achieving 1000 points. dayvie, TTOne, CheckPrime, JunwiPrime and oGsGon. oGsGon has hit a big losing streak and has dropped to 876 points.
-Activity among the top players has dropped this weekend, probably due to the number of tournaments going on or they are just taking a break to recover from release fever.
-oGsGon of Korea is the second player to break 1000 points and currently has 1005, just barely edging out HuK for #1.
-HuK reaches 1001 and is the first player to break 1000 (Diamond). He reclaims the title as Global Point Leader which he held during the first week of beta with style.
-The Point Vortex between Platinum and Diamond has been brutal to some players. mTwDeMusliM lost 980 points making the jump to Diamond from Platinum. Idra lost 700. In order to avoid this from happening, it has been suggested that players should lose some games when at the top of Platinum in order be promoted.
-Race balance among the top 10K (points) seems to be even as the average win percentage of all races is 59%. Terran 59.73%, Protoss 59.33, Zerg 59.08. However Sentient has pointed out that the percentage of Terran increases as the sample size decreases which could suggest that Terran are stronger than the other races. Granted this could be due to other factors, but it is something to note. 44% of the Top 200 are Terran vs 29% of the TOP 10K. Also, Tamerlane points this out in the Ladder stats thread (see above).
-Ladder stats thread by Tamerlane
Protoss lead the race popularity contest (Protoss 37%, Terran 29%, Zerg 25%).
North America has almost half the player population(North America 46%, Europe 33%, Korea 11%, the rest 10%). This also suggest why Blizzard has not released sales data for Asia, because it looks to be disappointing considering that a large percent of the original SC was sold in Korea. Blizzards move to shaft KeSPA may not have been a good idea. Only time will tell.
Idra regarding the ladder promotion system and dayvie "the promotion system is so messed up its not even worth looking at. if you move up to diamond late you lose almost all your points, skewing your record: points. also randomness of opponents and point gains. he probably just knows how promotion works and got himself into diamond as quickly as possible".
Medivac vs Medic which unit is better? I'm not really sure, but when it comes to Divisions Medivac Alamo has 17 player in the top 100 while Medic Mu has 9.
Prime and oGs Prime has 9 player in the top 100, oGs has 6.
LaLuSh "I think dayvie's account is some sort of superuser account (so he can keep playing at the top of the ladder and keep tabs on balance). He had pretty bad/average stats in the beta as well, but somehow he gains more points than anyone else while still playing less games."
dayvie (David Kim) has taken the point lead as a random player while accumulating 3050 achievement points. He clearly is working hard at game testing..
SeleCT of Dota, WC3 and Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War, fame, continues to recapture the #1 position as point leader. Also the first player to break 900, however is currently at 875.
HuK just might claim the top point spot again by simply NOT playing. US and KR ladder has become more competitive over the last 24 hours as many top players points and win percentages have dropped.
Trump who held the top spot not that long ago is now in 30th. Amazing how fast a player can drop if they take any kind of break. (now 60th).
mTwDeMusliM 40-5 and STILL stuck in Platinum. According to Idra, it takes 7 losses to be promoted.
SrJoSeZ from the Latin American servers has manage a 93% win record (96/7). Granted the LA server is not as competitive, but still something to note.
Looks like HuK is back in action and making a move back to the top. Currently in Second.
SeleCT has once again taken the top spot and is starting to build a point cushion.
mTwDeMusliM finally dropped a game after 30 straight wins. Nice Job!. He is STILL stuck in Platinum however. I'll be curious to see where he places once promoted.
HuK held strong as the overall point leader for several days at the start of the Beta, but took a mini vacation and lost his lead to, JunwiPrime, then Trump.US, SeleCT.US and now IdrA.US has taken the leader spot. I have the feeling IdrA with his 89% win record might start to pull into a solid lead. However, I like seeing the top position being shared. GJ to all who managed their time at the top spot.
mTwDeMusliM remains undefeated with 26 straight wins. Drop Hacks?? (JK) However he is stuck in Platinum. Come on dude, lose a game so you can be promoted to Diamond. Idra was 26/0 but apperently lost a game due to... OMG disconnect!
Idra has an impressive 87% win percentage.
dayvie (David Kim) has managed to rack up 2350 Achievement points, 712 1v1 points and is the top Random player.
KBJ has massed 330 games.
Terran are leading the top 100 while Protross lead the top 1k and 5k. Zerg is lagging behind. This may be due to a lack of popularity vs being underpowered. Still too early to tell if Zerg are truly underpowered. Idra makes them looks OP.
Stacked Division US Medivac Alamo and Medic Mu, EU Feld Delta, KR Sorry for Liberty (google translation). Several top 100 players are in these divisions.
You are sooo busted. I have no proof of this players hackage, but unknown player with incredible winning streak. Hmmm, suspecious. Judge for yourself. There is also a TL thread about this player
**WARNING** DATA BELOW IS FROM Sunday Aug 1st.
Don't read too much into these stats. For entertainment purposes only!
Points
HuK.US 782
JunwiPrime.KR 759
DuckloadRa.EU 676
Alandalf.SEA 673
END.TW 635
Win Percent
IdrA.US 87.01%
roxkisBratOK.EU 83.08%
CheAse.US 79.59%
Race
HuK.US Protoss 782
JunwiPrime.KR Zerg 759
oGsEnsnare.EU Terran 709
dayvie.US Random 712
Undefeated
mTwDeMusliM.EU 26/0
Katari.US 20/0 (thanks soki) (Katari is no longer undefeated, lost to Select.US) aLt)nirvana
Kyrix.KR 16/0
Total Games
KBJ.KR 330
LunaR.US 284
Klingsward.EU 269
Wins
KBJ.KR 178
Klingsward.EU 152
Spesh.US 146
Achievement (* DIAMOND 1v1 level players)
dayvie.US 2300
Cadman.EU 2025
ProrsumJunk.KR 1490
Overall Achievement Leader? (Warf )
Phoenix.US with 3490
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/373791/1/Phoenix/
Stacked Division - US
US Division Medivac Alamo
HuK, KiWiKaKi, Seth, Slush, LzGaMeR, Zelniq, Android, Catz, iNcontroL, Corinthos, and several other good players.
OH and dayvie (impostor or 2nd account)
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/463882/1/dayvie/
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/715900/1/dayvie/
Medic Mu
Is also very stacked. SeleCT, TTOne, Idra, Anitmage, Jaden, drewbie.
Stacked Division - EU - thanks ToT)KnowMe( for URL correction
Feld Delta
Satiini, Goody, DuckloadRa, MaDFrog, mTwDIMAGA and more.
Stacked Division - KR
Sorry for Liberty Group (google translation)
Data for the top 10, 1K and 5K
Count=100
Top=100 Terran=42 Zerg=25 Protoss=31 Random=2
US=36 Terran=15 Zerg=9 Protoss=11 Random=1
EU=32 Terran=14 Zerg=7 Protoss=11 Random=0
KR=32 Terran=13 Zerg=9 Protoss=9 Random=1
Count=1000
Top=1000 Terran=300 Zerg=240 Protoss=401 Random=59
US=406 Terran=129 Zerg=87 Protoss=162 Random=28
EU=419 Terran=119 Zerg=114 Protoss=165 Random=21
KR=175 Terran=52 Zerg=39 Protoss=74 Random=10
Count=5000
Top=5000 Terran=1452 Zerg=1253 Protoss=1885 Random=410
US=2148 Terran=625 Zerg=551 Protoss=769 Random=203
EU=2003 Terran=553 Zerg=537 Protoss=763 Random=150
KR=849 Terran=274 Zerg=165 Protoss=353 Random=57
This is from data have collected from US, EU and KR servers. It does not include TW or SEA, or any players lower than diamond. I'm sure I don't have every US,EU,KR diamond player either. I have more data collected on a different server and I'll be moving it over soon.
Please see the Global Rankings and Player Search page at:
www.sc2pf.com
for a complete listing of players collected.
Note you can add yourself to the crawler if you are a Diamond level player. Must include name and battle.net profile Id (not to be confused with real id).
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looks like protoss dominated everything but top 100
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On August 02 2010 12:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
looks like protoss dominated everything but top 100
Nerf incomming please? :D
Thanks for the stats.
IdrA showing Z's godness.
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On August 02 2010 12:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
looks like protoss dominated everything but top 100
Which seems generally consistent with the idea that Terran is overpowered, but Protoss is easier to play.
It also seems to indicate that at any skill level outside of high diamond, the latter effect predominates. If you're a protoss player, unless you're in high diamond, you really don't have much to complain about with regard to Terran imbalance.
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Pretty interesting info there, gj. Poor Zerg <<
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to me, protoss was always the "noob race" in SC. it was about static canon d opening and 1a2a3a to the finish. so it does make sense that protoss dominates at 5k.
granted, the stats above isnt very representative as the top 1k player in reality would probably be dominated by koreans.
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Lol, maybe we just need to play them better, as the best in the world is zerg. Idra Idra Idra Idra
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Seems to back up the Zerg is underpowered group. Less than 1/4 of players playing Zerg in the top 1000.
Not sure that it would be fair to say Terran or Protoss was too strong but Zerg is certainly not favoured.
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On August 02 2010 12:05 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 12:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
looks like protoss dominated everything but top 100 Which seems generally consistent with the idea that Terran is overpowered, but Protoss is easier to play.
a 11 person difference brought you to that conclusion?
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On August 02 2010 12:08 Necrosjef wrote:
Seems to back up the Zerg is underpowered group. Less than 1/4 of players playing Zerg in the top 1000.
Not sure that it would be fair to say Terran or Protoss was too strong but Zerg is certainly not favoured.
Or that people have bought into the imba argument and goes for a different race. Or that zerg just are more unpopular for some different reason.
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On August 02 2010 12:05 NuKedUFirst wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 12:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
looks like protoss dominated everything but top 100 Nerf incomming please? :D Thanks for the stats. IdrA showing Z's godness.
zerg is absolutely awful
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On August 02 2010 12:14 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 12:05 NuKedUFirst wrote:On August 02 2010 12:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
looks like protoss dominated everything but top 100 Nerf incomming please? :D Thanks for the stats. IdrA showing Z's godness. zerg is absolutely awful
/thread
go IdrA
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and now we have statistics to back that up. Thanks for posting the full ladder source.
also If anyone knows the account names for sangho and up I'd like to know. I want to watch the progress since I'm so eager to see what a strong a-team player can do
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Interesting that david kim is still up there. Maybe he chose the wrong career 
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I'm playing protoss right now and I definitely think they need to make Zerg a bit stronger. The amount of work zerg has to do to hold of a protoss just pushing early not even doing anything fancy is pretty ridiculous.
Similarly, I think EMP should probably be higher in the tech tree, since it halves the effective health of my entire army and makes immortals a really expensive mobile one hit wonder. Alternatively make it targettable like Feedback so they have to hunt for HT's just like I have to spot 1 ghost in a massive bioblob :s
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
what about the chinese server and SEA server?
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Woho, if Blizzard sees this Z might finally get a buff!
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Maybe Blizzard will finally look at these stats that keep repeating themselves and make some decisions off em... would be nice to finally stop the Zerg nerfs... Anyway thnx for the info, interesting as always.
P.S. IdrA ftw!
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On August 02 2010 12:18 Necrosjef wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 12:14 IdrA wrote:On August 02 2010 12:05 NuKedUFirst wrote:On August 02 2010 12:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
looks like protoss dominated everything but top 100 Nerf incomming please? :D Thanks for the stats. IdrA showing Z's godness. zerg is absolutely awful /thread go IdrA
Well he just got kicked out of a tournament against a terran so that may have something to do with his statement.
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this doesn't show anything about which race is under or overpowered right?
because it doesn't show how many of each race is being played, right?
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On August 02 2010 12:35 travis wrote:
this doesn't show anything about which race is under or overpowered right?
because it doesn't show how many of each race is being played, right?
Dude these have been pretty standard stats over the last couple months. There have been stats on the % of players of each race which have been almost identical within a coupe %.
Zerg has still been consistently lower while receiving new nerfs every patch...
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My friend on my list Jerran has over 2300 achievemnt points
EDIT: he has 2360
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On August 02 2010 12:29 Artosis wrote:
what about the chinese server and SEA server?
Yeah, I'm curious about Taiwan side of ASIA server as well. I think ASIA server is divided in two which one is Korea side, the other is Taiwan?
And dont bother about SEA, it must be the lowest in sense of skill rightnow .
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and there are also russian servers, although i'd imagine any half decent russian bought euro version
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i'm with artosis here, i want to see the other servers!
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On August 02 2010 12:37 TadH wrote:
My friend on my list Jerran has over 2300 achievemnt points
EDIT: he has 2360
i have 2160 but it shows up as 0 on the site
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Zerg requires a somewhat counter-intuitive play style.
I'd be interested to see what the middle or bottom tier race compositions look like with players say over 50 games... I bet you see VERY few zergs...
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On August 02 2010 12:36 FlamingTurd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 12:35 travis wrote:
this doesn't show anything about which race is under or overpowered right?
because it doesn't show how many of each race is being played, right? Dude these have been pretty standard stats over the last couple months. There have been stats on the % of players of each race which have been almost identical within a coupe %.
the game was released like a week ago
i'd say things could be a bit different since beta... like... 10 times the player base? or more?
(im not saying it is or isn't so get all defensive.. im just asking for data on it if that is available.. i don't like jumping to conclusions)
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On August 02 2010 12:05 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 12:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
looks like protoss dominated everything but top 100 Which seems generally consistent with the idea that Terran is overpowered, but Protoss is easier to play. It also seems to indicate that at any skill level outside of high diamond, the latter effect predominates. If you're a protoss player, unless you're in high diamond, you really don't have much to complain about with regard to Terran imbalance.
Or simply that Protoss is the most popular race and therefore there are more people better at playing it, even though it might not be stronger balance-wise?
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I'm ranked 2749. Woot! lol
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On August 02 2010 12:29 Artosis wrote:
what about the chinese server and SEA server?
I'm in the process of collecting this data still.
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nice, this list says i made top 100! can i say ego boost?
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On August 02 2010 12:37 TadH wrote:
My friend on my list Jerran has over 2300 achievemnt points
EDIT: he has 2360
This list is for Diamond level 1v1 players.
Arret.US has 3090. Not sure if he is the overall leader, but is the top player I have collected.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/191798/1/Arret/
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No love for zerg 
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Why are all the top players US in the same diamond division (Medivac Alamo)?
Shouldn't they be randomly distributed?
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I think you have to lose a game in order to be promoted into diamond? Something like that.
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On August 02 2010 13:11 RinconH wrote:
Why are all the top players US in the same diamond division (Medivac Alamo)?
Shouldn't they be randomly distributed?
It was one of the earliest diamond division to open so a lot of people who started early are in it.
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w00t, inside the top 800.
Dayvie, 7th overall, is #1 on my ladder. Gives me a nice target to gun for. ; )
Thanks so much for putting this together.
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On August 02 2010 13:11 RinconH wrote:
Why are all the top players US in the same diamond division (Medivac Alamo)?
Shouldn't they be randomly distributed?
Not exactly sure how players are distributed into divisions, but considering that many of the top players are going to hit Diamond much quicker than most it makes since that many of them got placed into the same ones.
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Terran only has a slight lead? Guess what needs a buff!
Would like to see actual matchup data (ie tvz tvp pvz etc)
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On August 02 2010 12:48 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 12:05 TheYango wrote:On August 02 2010 12:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
looks like protoss dominated everything but top 100 Which seems generally consistent with the idea that Terran is overpowered, but Protoss is easier to play. It also seems to indicate that at any skill level outside of high diamond, the latter effect predominates. If you're a protoss player, unless you're in high diamond, you really don't have much to complain about with regard to Terran imbalance. Or simply that Protoss is the most popular race and therefore there are more people better at playing it, even though it might not be stronger balance-wise?
As someone else mentioned, throughout beta there was roughly equal representation of all the races. I don't believe this would have changed drastically at release, and even if it did, players who have only played the game for a week are unlikely to have a major effect on these numbers--most of these players probably played through the beta.
On August 02 2010 13:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Terran only has a slight lead? Guess what needs a buff!
Would like to see actual matchup data (ie tvz tvp pvz etc)
This.
I'm pretty sure that TvZ is pretty heavily imbalanced, but I'm also pretty sure a lot of Protoss players are overstating the imbalance of TvP.
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I think part of the reason is also because Zerg is ugly and less player use Zerg. I think an overall race breakdown will be interesting info here.
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Also, if players just finished a campaign with Terran, it wouldn't shock me if it was the most popular race to start with. Not that this should change the top 100 too strongly, but it may have some effect.
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On August 02 2010 13:11 RinconH wrote:
Why are all the top players US in the same diamond division (Medivac Alamo)?
Shouldn't they be randomly distributed?
yea they are evenly distributed, the other half of them is in medivac mu
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IdrA's 67-10 (87.01%) is kinda stunning. I'm sure there are days when he just doesn't lose. He starts in the morning, plays 10+ hours and goes to bed undefeated. 
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
they split china and korea players up ladder-wise at beginning of phase 2.
china/taiwan play one server, korea plays the other. any way to get those ratings on here also? and what about SEA?
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i thought china didnt have the game yet? my chinese friend says he has to play on korean server
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On August 02 2010 13:40 figq wrote:IdrA's 67-10 (87.01%) is kinda stunning. I'm sure there are days when he just doesn't lose. He starts in the morning, plays 10+ hours and goes to bed undefeated.
Well top players don't really care for ladders, it is not very good training : too much cheese, bad players do not make you better, and there is no consistency from one match to the other.
They still play it to keep their reflexs up or if no strong friend is available.
But yeah top players have a walk in the park on the ladder : )
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I thought there was Taiwanese server up. Pretty sure Sen was playing in Chinese, not Korean.
On August 02 2010 13:53 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 13:40 figq wrote:IdrA's 67-10 (87.01%) is kinda stunning. I'm sure there are days when he just doesn't lose. He starts in the morning, plays 10+ hours and goes to bed undefeated. Well top players don't really care for ladders, it is not very good training : too much cheese, bad players do not make you better, and there is no consistency from one match to the other. They still play it to keep their reflexs up or if no strong friend is available. But yeah top players have a walk in the park on the ladder : ) I know, my point was there could be a 1000pt achievement: "Win against IdrA on the ladder, without attacking in the first 5 minutes" (i.e. no cheese).
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On August 02 2010 13:52 HuK wrote:
i thought china didnt have the game yet? my chinese friend says he has to play on korean server
They play on the Taiwan server - that is what artosis is implying. There is no mainland china server as the game is not released, and will probably not release for a little while
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so few people understand how good zerg is
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Representation data is not the same as win percentages. Zerg could have a 70% matchup against the other races and still have 15% representation. Don't assume causality.
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On August 02 2010 14:15 Darkstar_X wrote:
Representation data is not the same as win percentages. Zerg could have a 70% matchup against the other races and still have 15% representation. Don't assume causality.
1000x this.
We need matchup data (ex. TvZ TvP PvZ win percentages)
I suspect (as many would)
TvZ is T>Z
TvP is even
PvZ is even
also, we need matchup data for each map.
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On August 02 2010 13:50 Artosis wrote:
they split china and korea players up ladder-wise at beginning of phase 2.
china/taiwan play one server, korea plays the other. any way to get those ratings on here also? and what about SEA?
I'll be adding that data in Monday.
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On August 02 2010 14:13 njAl wrote:
so few people understand how good zerg is
Yeah that Idra guy is clueless.
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Unfortunately. Matchup data is not available. Or at least in a format I have access to (battle.net Web site)
On August 02 2010 14:20 Entropic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 14:15 Darkstar_X wrote:
Representation data is not the same as win percentages. Zerg could have a 70% matchup against the other races and still have 15% representation. Don't assume causality. 1000x this. We need matchup data (ex. TvZ TvP PvZ win percentages) I suspect (as many would) TvZ is T>Z TvP is even PvZ is even also, we need matchup data for each map.
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On August 02 2010 14:28 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Yeah, David Kim @ #8!!
DAVID KIM HWAITING
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On August 02 2010 14:27 Arcalious wrote:
Unfortunately. Matchup data is not available. Or at least in a format I have access to (battle.net Web site) We know TvZ is 50/50 in the top 1%, from Blizzard's comments. I don't think we have any other match up details, except that P is slightly ahead in the percentages (same).
The current Korea server top ten is 6 Z, 3T, and 1P (Tester) at the moment. Protoss seems well represented in the top 100 categories and such, but it seems like it's a bit weak in the very, very top level.
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Moonglade's win % is 90%+
Not that anyone cares about SEA.
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Idra gets talked up too much. All he is showing is he can play the game more than anyone else. Wait until the Broodwar pro players get into sc2, we'll see Idra slide off then.
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On August 02 2010 14:51 Powda wrote:
Idra gets talked up too much. All he is showing is he can play the game more than anyone else. Wait until the Broodwar pro players get into sc2, we'll see Idra slide off then.
You could say the same about virtually any other current player.
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On August 02 2010 14:58 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 14:51 Powda wrote:
Idra gets talked up too much. All he is showing is he can play the game more than anyone else. Wait until the Broodwar pro players get into sc2, we'll see Idra slide off then. You could say the same about virtually any other current player.
Yup, I could, any current player who plays more than someone else.
In Laymen terms, Idra is beating on newbs all day. Give flash 2 months with sc2 and we'll see what happens to Idra's zerg eh?
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On August 02 2010 12:14 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 12:05 NuKedUFirst wrote:On August 02 2010 12:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
looks like protoss dominated everything but top 100 Nerf incomming please? :D Thanks for the stats. IdrA showing Z's godness. zerg is absolutely awful
hahahahahahahahaha.
im glad i clicked on this thread just so i could read that ^_^
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On August 02 2010 12:29 Artosis wrote:
what about the chinese server and SEA server?
Oh wanted to add one more thing. TW and SEA players can be added to the crawler by anyone. Just put in the name and battle.net profile id (not real player id). Only Diamond players will be added, all others will be rejected by the server for now.
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On August 02 2010 15:09 Powda wrote:
Yup, I could, any current player who plays more than someone else.
So, basically every other current player that anyone considers good. You realize that everyone else around Idra's point level has more total games played than Idra?
On August 02 2010 15:09 Powda wrote:
In Laymen terms, Idra is beating on newbs all day. Give flash 2 months with sc2 and we'll see what happens to Idra's zerg eh?
I still don't see how you could fault anyone for that. Because give Flash 2 months with SC2, and he will be able to beat anyone currently playing the game. That doesn't change the fact that relative to current competition, Idra is doing very well.
Do you dismiss Boxer's achievements because he can't play to the level of current top SC1 pros?
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On August 02 2010 14:46 youngminii wrote:
Moonglade's win % is 90%+
Not that anyone cares about SEA.
1359 mOOnGLaDe.US 325 33 10 76.74% 0 Division Pylon Kappa
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Yay I'm number 540?
Goal : 60% winrate T___T
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Idra win % would be higher if he didnt quit games on purpose to get into diamond.
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JunwiPrime.KR 759
is that the Junwi?
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Thanks. I'll updated it now.
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On August 02 2010 14:51 Powda wrote:
Idra gets talked up too much. All he is showing is he can play the game more than anyone else. Wait until the Broodwar pro players get into sc2, we'll see Idra slide off then.
they have..? where u been? go troll somewheres else.
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Stacked Division US Medivac Alamo. Several top 100 players are in this division, including the current point leader HuK.
Repping Medivac Alamo.
*gang signs*
No really, this league is hard as hell to get a high spot in, good pick.
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On August 02 2010 16:36 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +Stacked Division US Medivac Alamo. Several top 100 players are in this division, including the current point leader HuK. Repping Medivac Alamo. *gang signs* No really, this league is hard as hell to get a high spot in, good pick.
Hey 26th. Not bad. You might be #1 in some other division.
Hmm, that gives me an idea. Going to list all the divisions with the leaders points. Then people could see what position they would be in another division. Does that sound interesting or is that a lame idea?
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On August 02 2010 16:47 Arcalious wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 16:36 iEchoic wrote:Stacked Division US Medivac Alamo. Several top 100 players are in this division, including the current point leader HuK. Repping Medivac Alamo. *gang signs* No really, this league is hard as hell to get a high spot in, good pick. Hey 26th. Not bad. You might be #1 in some other division. Hmm, that gives me an idea. Going to list all the divisions with the leaders points. Then people could see what position they would be in another division. Does that sound interesting or is that a lame idea?
Sounds like a great idea imo.
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Idra number one doesn't somehow make zerg good, he just practices a whole bunch and had very impressive mechanics coming into the game.
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On August 02 2010 14:51 Powda wrote:
Idra gets talked up too much. All he is showing is he can play the game more than anyone else. Wait until the Broodwar pro players get into sc2, we'll see Idra slide off then.
Do you realize idra played brood war as well? do i need to tell you what idra's brood war record was?
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Oh snap check out CheAse! Representing the homies with his number 1 north american win ratio!!! Nice duuuude!!!
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what about this guy?
![[image loading]](http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3706/wtfwm.jpg)
edit: Here's the link idk why i posted a screenshot lol. Actually it's good because now i see he changed his name somehow what the hell.. and 2 days ago he was named "Control". Any explanation?
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/791268/1/Ownage/
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don't forget the 'ooh I wanna play the high-tech alien race' effect of kids
(as opposed to creepy zerg and boring(human) terran)
similar to the 'ooh I wanna play the cool night elves' effect in Wc3 and later WoW
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On August 02 2010 18:58 Jameser wrote:
don't forget the 'ooh I wanna play the high-tech alien race' effect of kids
(as opposed to creepy zerg and boring(human) terran)
similar to the 'ooh I wanna play the cool night elves' effect in Wc3 and later WoW
lol this is exactly what happened to me. Then I realized 1) i didn't know what the other races did, and 2) i was really, really bad.
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Dustin browders magic crystal ball shows every race is 50/50
the game is balanced.
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There's another thread pretty much confirming that he's dischacking.
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On August 02 2010 19:30 TheYango wrote:There's another thread pretty much confirming that he's dischacking.
Where is this thread? If this is the case, then I don't want to list him.
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On August 02 2010 12:36 FlamingTurd wrote:
Zerg has still been consistently lower while receiving new nerfs every patch...
While I still paly Random in all my team games, I've playes Zerg exclusively in 1v1 and I'm convinced that nearly all of Zerg's shortcomings are due to the map pool. More specifically, the ability for P and T to wall off and Zerg not being able to. Not for the early defense, as Zerg would have no defensive advantage in walling off with their T1 units, but because of the scout denial. Once the opponent walls off, there's no effective scout until the Overseer in T2 (slow Overlords can often die before discovering any hidden tech). I think it's especially noticable vs Terran because of their versatility.
Fix the maps and there will be balance. Oh, also fix Corrupters, lol.
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demuslim with a nice winning streak. But I remember when I was watching someone's stream vs idra (pain/decemvre/kawaii or some EG member idk anymore <-- these are the ones I watch). Idra had about 26-0 but then got disconnected after 10 sec or so and got 26-1 I believe.
Too bad he might have improved demuslims record :p
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No love for South East Asia. It feels like we are off on our own little island here.
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Funny how people are using these statistics to evaluate balance.
It's so stupid.
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katari is no longer undefeated, lost to select and rage quitted lol
select tearing it up ^^
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Wow this is such a great thread. I feel like I can get so much information so quickly. Thanks so much for this!
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That is real odd, it worked yesturday. I changed it to GoOdy
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/172010/1/GoOdy/
This might explain disappearing accounts that my crawler has reported. I originally thought it might be due to Guest Pass accounts, but maybe not. Anyone know if Guest Pass accounts show up on ladder and battle.net forums?
Anyways, thanks for letting me know about the bad URL.
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Bleh I don't think Zerg are underpowered.
Doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see Protoss nerfed though!
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On August 03 2010 02:42 Arcalious wrote:That is real odd, it worked yesturday. I changed it to GoOdy http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/172010/1/GoOdy/This might explain disappearing accounts that my crawler has reported. I originally thought it might be due to Guest Pass accounts, but maybe not. Anyone know if Guest Pass accounts show up on ladder and battle.net forums? Anyways, thanks for letting me know about the bad URL.
It keeps changing, 3 days ago every region wanted a trailing slash, then only EU/SEA, and now only SEA wants one.
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Why Blizzard does not have these stats available for everyone to see in battle.net? It would be so awesome to see everything clean and neat there, for all the leagues and divisions.
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I'm adding TW and SEA. Should see them show up soon.
top point players I have so far.
Alandalf.SEA 673
END.TW 635
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On August 03 2010 01:07 aLt)nirvana wrote:
katari is no longer undefeated, lost to select and rage quitted lol
select tearing it up ^^
Bummer. I'll add the info to the OP. Thanks.
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On August 02 2010 18:58 Jameser wrote:
don't forget the 'ooh I wanna play the high-tech alien race' effect of kids
(as opposed to creepy zerg and boring(human) terran)
similar to the 'ooh I wanna play the cool night elves' effect in Wc3 and later WoW
I think this effect only affects lower level players that are just starting out and figuring out what race they want to be. The statistics provided were only for top 5000 players. Although sometimes the race you pick at lower levels will ultimately be the race you stick with all the way to the top.
I dont think these statistics are a good indicator for balance issues. However in my experience in games where you have a choice in a class/race, the most popular class/race is usually the easier choice or the one thats perceived to be the strongest by the average player (not pros).
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Wow i'm surprised to see my name, That definitely wont be lasting there long lol.
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On August 03 2010 08:25 CheAse wrote:
Wow i'm surprised to see my name, That definitely wont be lasting there long lol.
7889th. Better start grinding games :-)
Making the top 10K is pretty good. I have collected a boat load players and the huge majority are in platinum and below. Even several big names are still in Platinum. If you made the list, you are probably in the top 5% of players.
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Arcalious, could you add server-specific rankings? Don't know about the others but I am much more interested in having a ladder with the people I play against.
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You can see server-specific rankings at the Sanctuary Stats page as well as sort and filter the data in a range of ways. I'm sure Arcalicious will add that as well but in the meantime you can find it here. The ladder also has stats for all the 1v1 Divisions.
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This really does make sense. Recently I have been getting 6-8 toss players in a row on a regular basis...
Now I know why.
EDIT: I am in the top 2000! Yay!
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On August 03 2010 10:58 xtfftc wrote:
Arcalious, could you add server-specific rankings? Don't know about the others but I am much more interested in having a ladder with the people I play against.
I will add that tomorrow Tuesday. I'm working to get the rest of the Regions added. Then, I'll add more search options, including by server.
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I blame the maps, to be honest and during beta it seemed like terran got mostly buffs, protoss got nerfed a bunch and zerg got nerfed and buffed in a weird way. I'm still trying to wrap my head around why they decided to nerf infestors NP, spine burrow, etc.
The stats don't show match statistics per race matchup or maps, but you can get a pretty good idea of which race is on top, even if blizzard wants to keep telling us the races are balanced.
Also, Browder said zerg tier 2 was a bit lacking and maybe we'll get something to help out. I just wish we had 1 supply slightly nerfed roaches.
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Blizzards Web site is doing some funky stuff, so if some players are not updated correctly that is why.
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i lost at 30-0 =[, but still not in diamond, i must be bugged >_<
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Just keep losing a few more games and then win one! you will get promoted.
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ownage is the guy using the creep tumor exploit t.t 75-0 lol
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what's the creep tumor exploit?
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a little question: is this select guy the select that won the 2 wcg appearances of DoW? because the dow select was a korean guy . why is he playong on a us server now?
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On August 04 2010 04:00 FreeZEternal wrote:
what's the creep tumor exploit?
Disconnect hack used by Stabguy (aka Ownage)
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On August 02 2010 14:27 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 14:13 njAl wrote:
so few people understand how good zerg is Yeah that Idra guy is clueless.
The subtlety is strong in this one.
I wonder how many months will go by before Blizzard at least acknowledges the imbalanced distribution between the races in Diamond.
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Are usernames unique to a server? I mean, can there be two different players on different accounts who both call themselves IdrA on the same server?
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On August 04 2010 03:35 DeMusliM wrote:
i lost at 30-0 =[, but still not in diamond, i must be bugged >_<
Nice Run! I'll update the page.
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On August 04 2010 04:59 ta2 wrote:
Are usernames unique to a server? I mean, can there be two different players on different accounts who both call themselves IdrA on the same server?
They are NOT unique. Each name has a 3 digit identifier. So XYZ.123 and XYZ.456 The id is usually hidden.
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Why am I not in the acheivement?
Konsume 2220 and diamond 1v1...
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On August 04 2010 05:23 Konsume wrote:
Why am I not in the acheivement?
Konsume 2220 and diamond 1v1...
Cause he's only listing the top reported player from each server and you're not the highest NA player.
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Anyone else finding "Sorry for Liberty" hilarious?
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On August 02 2010 12:14 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 12:05 NuKedUFirst wrote:On August 02 2010 12:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
looks like protoss dominated everything but top 100 Nerf incomming please? :D Thanks for the stats. IdrA showing Z's godness. zerg is absolutely awful
Just look at the bright side, for all the wins you get, nobody can say shit about racial balance. If you dominate with zerg right now, you're showing that you're twice the player as if you're dominating as other races...
Also we can probably expect a few zerg buffs in the first patch, so I'm gonna stick with em...
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On August 04 2010 05:23 Konsume wrote:
Why am I not in the acheivement?
Konsume 2220 and diamond 1v1...
Sorry about that. I'm adding a way to force updates, so players can force the crawler to rescan them. Basically what happens, is the crawler looks up another player in your division and then updates all the other players in that division. So some players may be constantly skipped. This is poor coding on my part and something I plan to fix real soon.
To update a player. Click on the link below the Updated column.
OH I don't see you on the list. What is your battle.net profile url?
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On August 04 2010 06:13 Perfi wrote:
Anyone else finding "Sorry for Liberty" hilarious?
The google translations are pretty odd for several of the Korean divisions
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Oh, that dayvie is somebody? He's top in my diamond ranking. I'm not far behind him actually. He's at 863 points right now with 68-37 record. He's actually replied to me too. There is also a Squall in my division. Wondering if it's ToT)Squall(.
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On August 04 2010 03:35 DeMusliM wrote:
i lost at 30-0 =[, but still not in diamond, i must be bugged >_<
you have to lose at least 7 games to get moved up
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On August 04 2010 07:01 Arcalious wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 05:23 Konsume wrote:
Why am I not in the acheivement?
Konsume 2220 and diamond 1v1... Sorry about that. I'm adding a way to force updates, so players can force the crawler to rescan them. Basically what happens, is the crawler looks up another player in your division and then updates all the other players in that division. So some players may be constantly skipped. This is poor coding on my part and something I plan to fix real soon. To update a player. Click on the link below the Updated column. OH I don't see you on the list. What is your battle.net profile url?
Well that phoenix guy is actually in diamond right? He's at 3510 now. I'm at 3390 personally and diamond 1v1, should be 3470 actually since some of my meta achievements are bugged.
Seems like you sort of level off at around 3500 and beyond that it's just play 100 games, 500 games, 1000 games, etc. for 10 points every time.
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Haha, I'm #987
Top 1000 woo!
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On August 04 2010 09:30 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 03:35 DeMusliM wrote:
i lost at 30-0 =[, but still not in diamond, i must be bugged >_< you have to lose at least 7 games to get moved up
Kinda of funny how that works. When I started collecting player data looking for top players, I noticed several players that I thought would be in Diamond, missing. Thought something was wrong with my code, but then I went to take a look and noticed several big names stuck in Platinum because they has very few losses. That was even the case for you.
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On August 04 2010 07:01 Arcalious wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 05:23 Konsume wrote:
Why am I not in the acheivement?
Konsume 2220 and diamond 1v1... Sorry about that. I'm adding a way to force updates, so players can force the crawler to rescan them. Basically what happens, is the crawler looks up another player in your division and then updates all the other players in that division. So some players may be constantly skipped. This is poor coding on my part and something I plan to fix real soon. To update a player. Click on the link below the Updated column. OH I don't see you on the list. What is your battle.net profile url?
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/385965/1/Konsume/
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On August 04 2010 08:22 rushz0rz wrote:
Oh, that dayvie is somebody? He's top in my diamond ranking. I'm not far behind him actually. He's at 863 points right now with 68-37 record. He's actually replied to me too. There is also a Squall in my division. Wondering if it's ToT)Squall(.
Yes, that's David Kim. One of the game balance designers of Starcraft 2.
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On August 04 2010 10:40 Konsume wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 07:01 Arcalious wrote:On August 04 2010 05:23 Konsume wrote:
Why am I not in the acheivement?
Konsume 2220 and diamond 1v1... Sorry about that. I'm adding a way to force updates, so players can force the crawler to rescan them. Basically what happens, is the crawler looks up another player in your division and then updates all the other players in that division. So some players may be constantly skipped. This is poor coding on my part and something I plan to fix real soon. To update a player. Click on the link below the Updated column. OH I don't see you on the list. What is your battle.net profile url? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/385965/1/Konsume/
I just added you. Should show up shortly.
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Woohoo! #730 according to the data source.
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Who is TTone? Is that TLO???
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On August 04 2010 15:29 Shiftymnm wrote:
Who is TTone? Is that TLO???
46th LiquidTLO.EU 708 points Terran 66 32 67.35%
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On August 04 2010 15:29 Shiftymnm wrote:
Who is TTone? Is that TLO???
TTone is TT1
Canadian brood war player now on FnaticMSI. He sometimes streams here and plays protoss
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On August 04 2010 15:57 kNyTTyM wrote:TTone is TT1 Canadian brood war player now on FnaticMSI. He sometimes streams here and plays protoss
Was also in TSL2.
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how has anyone not mentioned josez yet.
he beat boxer at wcg
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On August 04 2010 04:02 Black Gun wrote:
a little question: is this select guy the select that won the 2 wcg appearances of DoW? because the dow select was a korean guy . why is he playong on a us server now?
I dunno if he played DoW but this is the SelecT who played DotA at a high level in the American scene for a long time.
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On August 04 2010 16:31 tangwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 04:02 Black Gun wrote:
a little question: is this select guy the select that won the 2 wcg appearances of DoW? because the dow select was a korean guy . why is he playong on a us server now? I dunno if he played DoW but this is the SelecT who played DotA at a high level in the American scene for a long time.
There is a post on a Dota forum about SeleCT being ranked #1. Don't remember seeing this SeleCT during Beta. Maybe playing under a different name?
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On August 05 2010 02:38 Arcalious wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 16:31 tangwhat wrote:On August 04 2010 04:02 Black Gun wrote:
a little question: is this select guy the select that won the 2 wcg appearances of DoW? because the dow select was a korean guy . why is he playong on a us server now? I dunno if he played DoW but this is the SelecT who played DotA at a high level in the American scene for a long time. There is a post on a Dota forum about SeleCT being ranked #1. Don't remember seeing this SeleCT during Beta. Maybe playing under a different name?
It is the same Select from Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War. He moved to the US a few years ago for school (it mentions it on the WCG "Hall of Fame" that he moved to New Jersey as well).
He also confirms it in the chat of my ladder game against him. That game is located here (note: short game that I basically just die in as I skipped Phase 2 beta and had just gotten the game). I can also confirm it is him as the playstyle is an exact copy of how he played DOW in the games I played against him.
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On August 04 2010 16:13 GTR wrote:
how has anyone not mentioned josez yet.
he beat boxer at wcg
Oh I remember that replay. It was a 6 v 9 on LT wasn't it? With gol drops?
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On August 04 2010 05:02 Arcalious wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 04:59 ta2 wrote:
Are usernames unique to a server? I mean, can there be two different players on different accounts who both call themselves IdrA on the same server? They are NOT unique. Each name has a 3 digit identifier. So XYZ.123 and XYZ.456 The id is usually hidden.
now I wonder what happens if there is 1000 people with the sime name.
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On August 05 2010 02:47 Camila_br wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 05:02 Arcalious wrote:On August 04 2010 04:59 ta2 wrote:
Are usernames unique to a server? I mean, can there be two different players on different accounts who both call themselves IdrA on the same server? They are NOT unique. Each name has a 3 digit identifier. So XYZ.123 and XYZ.456 The id is usually hidden. now I wonder what happens if there is 1000 people with the sime name.
In the Beta there was an attempt to get everyone to name themselves ESPORT. Not sure how many actually did.
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I think dayvie's account is some sort of superuser account (so he can keep playing at the top of the ladder and keep tabs on balance). He had pretty bad/average stats in the beta as well, but somehow he gains more points than anyone else while still playing less games.
Either that or he knows how to abuse the algorithms somehow.
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On August 05 2010 04:17 LaLuSh wrote:
I think dayvie's account is some sort of superuser account (so he can keep playing at the top of the ladder and keep tabs on balance). He had pretty bad/average stats in the beta as well, but somehow he gains more points than anyone else while still playing less games.
Either that or he knows how to abuse the algorithms somehow.
Yeah, I noticed that. Something definitely does not seem not right here. SeleCT has more games, and a better winning %. This goes the same for some of the other players below dayvie.
dayvie.US 910 71 37 65.74% 3050
SeleCT.US 877 115 47 70.99% 0
Anyone have a possible explanation on this?
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On August 05 2010 02:44 [-Bluewolf-] wrote:
I can also confirm it is him as the playstyle is an exact copy of how he played DOW in the games I played against him.
lol bluewolf this is so interesting can u elaborate on him playing the same style as dow? yea its def him hes on my facebook. also is ur brother playing sc2?
OP a suggestion, take a look at sc2ranks.com
its updated more regularly and easier to search.
Also, it has us SEA players ^^
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SeleCT was a WC3 player before switching to DoW. Not absolute top tier but still very good.
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On August 05 2010 02:44 [-Bluewolf-] wrote:
OP a suggestion, take a look at sc2ranks.com
its updated more regularly and easier to search.
Also, it has us SEA players ^^
I'm not sure that is accurate. ps.sc2fp.com has all regions including Latin America and Russia. It is updated more frequently at least every time I have checked. sc2ranks.com is also missing some top 100 players. However, sc2ranks.com has all leagues and a huge 400K+ player database.
rts-sanctuary and sc2ranks have large searchable databases and they are much better then sc2pf in that aspect. sc2pf is focused on the Diamond league players especially the top 10K. They all compliment each other in some way. rts-sanctuary has more search options, sc2ranks has more players and ps.sc2pf is more accurate as it only has to update 15K players vs 400K players.
http://rts-sanctuary.com/index.php?portal=SC2&act=sc2Statistics
sc2ranks.com
ps.sc2pf.com
disclaimer ps.sc2pf.com is my site
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As far as dayvie goes... can't you just friend him on bnet and see his match history to see his point gains and determine whether or not it is indeed a superuser account? I haven't really seen anything that indicates he gets that much more points if any at all by seeing his match history.
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On August 05 2010 12:43 ZannX wrote:
As far as dayvie goes... can't you just friend him on bnet and see his match history to see his point gains and determine whether or not it is indeed a superuser account? I haven't really seen anything that indicates he gets that much more points if any at all by seeing his match history.
I don't know his identifier. Here is a player with nearly the same record, yet this player only has 605 points. This is a pretty big difference. 910 vs 605.
Kuja.US 605 71 32 68.93%
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the promotion system is so messed up its not even worth looking at. if you move up to diamond late you lose almost all your points, skewing your record: points. also randomness of opponents and point gains.
he probably just knows how promotion works and got himself into diamond as quickly as possible.
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I think there's a good chance that David Kim's account is used to test the system for Blizzard.
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Wow, Zerg is the least represented, I was not expecting that in Korea. I can see that for American and Europe but not Asia. We Zerg players are like the marines: "The few, the proud."
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On August 05 2010 13:17 IdrA wrote:
the promotion system is so messed up its not even worth looking at. if you move up to diamond late you lose almost all your points, skewing your record: points. also randomness of opponents and point gains.
he probably just knows how promotion works and got himself into diamond as quickly as possible.
Actually that makes sense. Getting promoted to Diamond with say 1000 Platinum points vs 1300 could end up making a big difference. With that and other things, Seems pretty messed as you say. Hopefully it will all normalize after a month or so.
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david kim is rank 1 with 3k achivement points, what a monster
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On August 05 2010 16:58 ktimekiller wrote:
david kim is rank 1 with 3k achivement points, what a monster
It's impressive, but I think people are overlooking the fact that he's probably played every mission probably over a hundred times each. Where do you think he went after he dropped off the face of the earth after the first phase of beta? I highly doubt that any particular achievement took him more than a single try.
As for his ladder rating, there are plenty of ways that Blizzard could test at the highest level without having to use such a controversial method as giving him an inaccurate rating. Personally, I think his rating is legitimate.
It makes complete sense that he wouldn't have as good of a win percentage as other top players. First of all, he plays random; so he may have a fairly poor record with his worst race. Second of all, do you guys remember his replays from beta? He plays with the some of the most bizarre strategies you can think of; basically toying with his opponents some of the time. Remember that game where he made a 200/200 all-baneling army and rolled over one of the top players at the time (who happened to be streaming; can't remember who)?
I can totally see him dropping lots of games when he's playing against a player who he is heavily favored against, trying some cute off-the-wall strategy, and having it backfire. When he actually digs in and tries his best against his best opponents, he probably has as good of a record as anyone.
I don't know. Just my opinion. I just have a hard time believing Blizzard would compromise the integrity of their rating system by providing one of their employees with an unfairly advantageous account. Especially when there are so many alternative options: simply hiding his account from the rankings, or inviting some of the top players to play on a closed dev server (how many would actually say no at a chance to be a part of balancing SC2).
But I mean, I've seen them make worse decisions...
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Haha, considering the contradictions and often bizarre changes WoW suffers from, I would agree that it would not be a surprise, but I have faith in David Kim that he is legitimate.
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SrJoseZ statistics are wrong, Greatman is the owner of that, the webpage mis recognize it.
Greatman is actually 106-11 now 697 points
SrJoseZ is actually 60-25 with 403 points
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On August 05 2010 13:11 Arcalious wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 12:43 ZannX wrote:
As far as dayvie goes... can't you just friend him on bnet and see his match history to see his point gains and determine whether or not it is indeed a superuser account? I haven't really seen anything that indicates he gets that much more points if any at all by seeing his match history. I don't know his identifier. Here is a player with nearly the same record, yet this player only has 605 points. This is a pretty big difference. 910 vs 605. Kuja.US 605 71 32 68.93%
You can click on his name on that site and it links you to his battle.net profile webpage where you can find his identifier. Cute way to see which pro is playing games and their match history.
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On August 05 2010 21:06 ZannX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 13:11 Arcalious wrote:On August 05 2010 12:43 ZannX wrote:
As far as dayvie goes... can't you just friend him on bnet and see his match history to see his point gains and determine whether or not it is indeed a superuser account? I haven't really seen anything that indicates he gets that much more points if any at all by seeing his match history. I don't know his identifier. Here is a player with nearly the same record, yet this player only has 605 points. This is a pretty big difference. 910 vs 605. Kuja.US 605 71 32 68.93% You can click on his name on that site and it links you to his battle.net profile webpage where you can find his identifier. Cute way to see which pro is playing games and their match history.
Oh, they must have recently added this to the profile page. Thanks for the tip.
Good comments by everyone regarding David Kim. Early promotion to diamond league seems to be the best explanation on the point difference between him and others. I know he was one of the first US players to be promoted into Diamond.
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Race balance among the top 10K (points) seems to be even as the average win percentage of all races is 59%. Terran 59.73%, Protoss 59.33, Zerg 59.08. Maybe a tiny (.65%) advantage to Terran over Zerg at the moment, but has much does that really matter.
Protoss lead the race popularity contest (Protoss 37%, Terran 29%, Zerg 25%).
United States has almost half the player population(United States 46%, Europe 33%, Korea 11%, the rest 10%).
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pretty sure losing points when being promoted is to stop players from losing placements and getting placed in bronze or a lower league to get a better win loss ratio and to even it out,
seems points are based on divisions so a 500 point silver =/= 500 point diamond
so when they lose points for moving up divisions its kind of like to turn them off from doing that
pretty sure its intentional happened to me in phase 2 i got placed in gold 4-1 placements then got promoted to diamond the next day, and also 4-1 in release and promoted to diamond but lost points too
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Race balance among the top 10K (points) seems to be even as the average win percentage of all races is 59%. Terran 59.73%, Protoss 59.33, Zerg 59.08. Maybe a tiny (.65%) advantage to Terran over Zerg at the moment, but has much does that really matter.
dayvie (David Kim) has taken the point lead, but something does not seem right here. dayvie has played less games and has a lower winning % than those below him. Anyone have a possible explanation for this,
I wish people would appreciate that your win % does not matter. In an ideal matchmaking system, every person except the best and worst player will have a 50% win ratio. If you are higher than 50%, it means that you are not playing challenging enough opponents. David Kim may simply be playing harder opponents more often than his counterparts. Maybe he has a secret ability to get purposefully matched against top tier players to keep tabs on the latest strategies, but I doubt he gets bonus points from it, other than what you get for beating harder opponents.
This also means that you can't draw any racial balance conclusions from win %. The matchmaker will disguise imbalances by shifting everyone towards 50%. The best way is to look at the enrichment of the races as you move up the skill levels, where imbalances will manifest themselves more. Terran comprise 29% of the top 5000 but 42% of the top 100, while the other races remain approximately the same. (In other words, random players are shifting towards Terran at the top tiers.) This suggests that players perceive Terran as being stronger.
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[QUOTE]On August 06 2010 01:14 Sentient wrote:
[quote]This suggests that players perceive Terran as being stronger.[/QUOTE]
Perception is not the truth -.-
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[QUOTE]On August 06 2010 01:21 Gomas wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 06 2010 01:14 Sentient wrote:
[quote]This suggests that players perceive Terran as being stronger.[/QUOTE]
Perception is not the truth -.-[/QUOTE]
He didn't say that. His analysis of the data is correct though.
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On August 06 2010 01:14 Sentient wrote:Show nested quote +Race balance among the top 10K (points) seems to be even as the average win percentage of all races is 59%. Terran 59.73%, Protoss 59.33, Zerg 59.08. Maybe a tiny (.65%) advantage to Terran over Zerg at the moment, but has much does that really matter. Show nested quote +dayvie (David Kim) has taken the point lead, but something does not seem right here. dayvie has played less games and has a lower winning % than those below him. Anyone have a possible explanation for this, I wish people would appreciate that your win % does not matter. In an ideal matchmaking system, every person except the best and worst player will have a 50% win ratio. If you are higher than 50%, it means that you are not playing challenging enough opponents. David Kim may simply be playing harder opponents more often than his counterparts. Maybe he has a secret ability to get purposefully matched against top tier players to keep tabs on the latest strategies, but I doubt he gets bonus points from it, other than what you get for beating harder opponents. This also means that you can't draw any racial balance conclusions from win %. The matchmaker will disguise imbalances by shifting everyone towards 50%. The best way is to look at the enrichment of the races as you move up the skill levels, where imbalances will manifest themselves more. Terran compose 29% of the top 5000 but 42% of the top 100, while the other races remain approximately the same. (In other words, random players are shifting towards Terran at the top tiers.) This suggests that players perceive Terran as being stronger.
that because of the single player mode too , many of them stick with them after , because that the race they know more . im sure when the other exp will go out , some other race will be more played .
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Achievements don't get updated as much. However, you can request a priority update by clicking on the link below the updated column. This will tell the scanner to update the record ASAP. I just did this and your achievements got loaded in.
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[QUOTE]On August 06 2010 01:14 Sentient wrote:
[quote]The best way is to look at the enrichment of the races as you move up the skill levels, where imbalances will manifest themselves more. Terran comprise 29% of the top 5000 but 42% of the top 100, while the other races remain approximately the same. (In other words, random players are shifting towards Terran at the top tiers.) This suggests that players perceive Terran as being stronger.[/QUOTE]
That is a good point. The percentage of Terran definitely increases the higher up you go which suggest Terran is stronger than the other races. Granted this could be due to other factors, but it is something to note. I will add that to the top post.
Thanks.
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On August 06 2010 01:45 Ran)1[S] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 01:14 Sentient wrote:Race balance among the top 10K (points) seems to be even as the average win percentage of all races is 59%. Terran 59.73%, Protoss 59.33, Zerg 59.08. Maybe a tiny (.65%) advantage to Terran over Zerg at the moment, but has much does that really matter. dayvie (David Kim) has taken the point lead, but something does not seem right here. dayvie has played less games and has a lower winning % than those below him. Anyone have a possible explanation for this, I wish people would appreciate that your win % does not matter. In an ideal matchmaking system, every person except the best and worst player will have a 50% win ratio. If you are higher than 50%, it means that you are not playing challenging enough opponents. David Kim may simply be playing harder opponents more often than his counterparts. Maybe he has a secret ability to get purposefully matched against top tier players to keep tabs on the latest strategies, but I doubt he gets bonus points from it, other than what you get for beating harder opponents. This also means that you can't draw any racial balance conclusions from win %. The matchmaker will disguise imbalances by shifting everyone towards 50%. The best way is to look at the enrichment of the races as you move up the skill levels, where imbalances will manifest themselves more. Terran compose 29% of the top 5000 but 42% of the top 100, while the other races remain approximately the same. (In other words, random players are shifting towards Terran at the top tiers.) This suggests that players perceive Terran as being stronger. that because of the single player mode too , many of them stick with them after , because that the race they know more . im sure when the other exp will go out , some other race will be more played .
Yea I'm sure half of the top 100 diamond players chose Terran because they were used to playing them in the single player missions.
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Thanks for all the info!
Great to see that more analysis of the ladder system is coming along.
PS. Go Toss!, and Idra
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On August 06 2010 03:18 comis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 01:45 Ran)1[S] wrote:On August 06 2010 01:14 Sentient wrote:Race balance among the top 10K (points) seems to be even as the average win percentage of all races is 59%. Terran 59.73%, Protoss 59.33, Zerg 59.08. Maybe a tiny (.65%) advantage to Terran over Zerg at the moment, but has much does that really matter. dayvie (David Kim) has taken the point lead, but something does not seem right here. dayvie has played less games and has a lower winning % than those below him. Anyone have a possible explanation for this, I wish people would appreciate that your win % does not matter. In an ideal matchmaking system, every person except the best and worst player will have a 50% win ratio. If you are higher than 50%, it means that you are not playing challenging enough opponents. David Kim may simply be playing harder opponents more often than his counterparts. Maybe he has a secret ability to get purposefully matched against top tier players to keep tabs on the latest strategies, but I doubt he gets bonus points from it, other than what you get for beating harder opponents. This also means that you can't draw any racial balance conclusions from win %. The matchmaker will disguise imbalances by shifting everyone towards 50%. The best way is to look at the enrichment of the races as you move up the skill levels, where imbalances will manifest themselves more. Terran compose 29% of the top 5000 but 42% of the top 100, while the other races remain approximately the same. (In other words, random players are shifting towards Terran at the top tiers.) This suggests that players perceive Terran as being stronger. that because of the single player mode too , many of them stick with them after , because that the race they know more . im sure when the other exp will go out , some other race will be more played . Yea I'm sure half of the top 100 diamond players chose Terran because they were used to playing them in the single player missions.
there's going to be lots of people who don't realize you are being sarcastic, you need to add some more flare
err.. at least i hope you're being sarcastic.
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Yea I'm sure half of the top 100 diamond players chose Terran because they were used to playing them in the single player missions.
im sure 100% of the top100 diamonds have played beta, thus are not influenced by the single player missions
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On August 06 2010 03:12 Arcalious wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 01:14 Sentient wrote:
The best way is to look at the enrichment of the races as you move up the skill levels, where imbalances will manifest themselves more. Terran comprise 29% of the top 5000 but 42% of the top 100, while the other races remain approximately the same. (In other words, random players are shifting towards Terran at the top tiers.) This suggests that players perceive Terran as being stronger. That is a good point. The percentage of Terran definitely increases the higher up you go which suggest Terran is stronger than the other races. Granted this could be due to other factors, but it is something to note. I will add that to the top post. Thanks.
Count=5000
Top=5000 Terran=1452 Zerg=1253 Protoss=1885 Random=410
Protoss 38%
Terran 29%
Zerg 25%
Random 8%
Then suddenly on the top 100
Terran 42%
Protoss 31%
Zerg 25%
Random 2%
Not only random players shift to Terran, but also Protoss seem to have more difficulty than the other 2 races at the very top, while Terran seems to be the one that advances easier. If zerg and protoss were equally powerful, both should give their % to Terran, instead we see only protoss doing that, meaning that probably, as an average, T > both Z and P, and Z > P.
I'm not sure i'm making any logical mistake, though i don't think i am. Anyway this is just another fact to add to the evidence list about imbalances.
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it sure does look like dayvie is "cheating" (if u care enough to call it that).
i mean.. lower win % and in many cases considerably less games played. honestly, what are the chances that magically blizzard's game tester is #1 with way worse stats. this isn't just some guy who is #1 with way worse stats, it's blizzard's game tester being #1 with way worse stats.
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On August 06 2010 03:24 Rea wrote:Show nested quote +
Yea I'm sure half of the top 100 diamond players chose Terran because they were used to playing them in the single player missions.
im sure 100% of the top100 diamonds have played beta, thus are not influenced by the single player missions
There should be a [sarcasm] tag for people like you.
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On August 06 2010 03:33 travis wrote:
it sure does look like dayvie is "cheating" (if u care enough to call it that).
i mean.. lower win % and in many cases considerably less games played. honestly, what are the chances that magically blizzard's game tester is #1 with way worse stats. this isn't just some guy who is #1 with way worse stats, it's blizzard's game tester being #1 with way worse stats.
Rumor has it, that his workers also collect bonus pool points if his CC is one extra space from the mineral line and exactly 3 workers are on each Gas.
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interesting stats, don't really tell anything serious about the game but fun to know nonetheless
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On August 06 2010 03:33 travis wrote:
it sure does look like dayvie is "cheating" (if u care enough to call it that).
i mean.. lower win % and in many cases considerably less games played. honestly, what are the chances that magically blizzard's game tester is #1 with way worse stats. this isn't just some guy who is #1 with way worse stats, it's blizzard's game tester being #1 with way worse stats.
People are generally 200 points below him with the same number of wins.
One explanation could be that his account was created before the actual midnight launch of sc2 and was accumulating bonus points in that time period
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On August 02 2010 12:05 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 12:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
looks like protoss dominated everything but top 100 Which seems generally consistent with the idea that Terran is overpowered, but Protoss is easier to play. It also seems to indicate that at any skill level outside of high diamond, the latter effect predominates. If you're a protoss player, unless you're in high diamond, you really don't have much to complain about with regard to Terran imbalance.
But what if we are playing High Diamond T's? Can I complain then?
Seriously I don't think T is SUPER overpowered, I just feel like I have to work a little harder to win vs. them at high level diamond.
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Looking at Dayvie's match history, he seems to get about twice as many points from winning and loses half as many from losing (just a rough estimate). The winning could be explained with a bonus pool, but I don't think that would affect his losses...
I played 3 games against him yesterday when he was about 150 points higher than me; he lost 7 and 8 points for his losses while I lost 14 for mine.
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On August 06 2010 04:53 Neon_Monkey wrote:
Looking at Dayvie's match history, he seems to get about twice as many points from winning and loses half as many from losing (just a rough estimate). The winning could be explained with a bonus pool, but I don't think that would affect his losses...
I played 3 games against him yesterday when he was about 150 points higher than me; he lost 7 and 8 points for his losses while I lost 14 for mine.
Just curious, but do you remember who was favored?
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On August 06 2010 05:10 Arcalious wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 04:53 Neon_Monkey wrote:
Looking at Dayvie's match history, he seems to get about twice as many points from winning and loses half as many from losing (just a rough estimate). The winning could be explained with a bonus pool, but I don't think that would affect his losses...
I played 3 games against him yesterday when he was about 150 points higher than me; he lost 7 and 8 points for his losses while I lost 14 for mine. Just curious, but do you remember who was favored?
IIRC he was slightly favored the first and 3rd game and it was even the second, but I'm not sure.
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On August 06 2010 03:59 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 03:33 travis wrote:
it sure does look like dayvie is "cheating" (if u care enough to call it that).
i mean.. lower win % and in many cases considerably less games played. honestly, what are the chances that magically blizzard's game tester is #1 with way worse stats. this isn't just some guy who is #1 with way worse stats, it's blizzard's game tester being #1 with way worse stats. People are generally 200 points below him with the same number of wins. One explanation could be that his account was created before the actual midnight launch of sc2 and was accumulating bonus points in that time period
I think the most likely explanation is that he takes advantage of bonus points. Since he isn't playing as often as other people, he is able to grow his bonus point pool and so his wins are worth double it is of someone that plays for an hour before work, and then again at night thus never gaining bonus points.
The ladder also doesn't work how Ladders from 10 years ago work(or ICCup). Traditional ladders have you lose more points and win less points the bigger the point difference between the players(A sort of zero-sum system). I believe in this ladder, the more points you have OVERALL the less you lose and the less you gain for wins regardless of the point difference(not a zero-sum system anymore).
My account for instance. When I was around 90 points, a win would grant me 15-20 points. A loss would lose me 14-18 points. Now that I am at 265 a win gets me 10-14 points and a lose loses me 6-11 points. Now add in Bonus points you accumulate for not playing for an extended period of time. The higher you get in the ladder the more those bonus points help you.
Say Dayvie goes on Vacation. Right now he is just over 900 points. He is gone for a week and during that week Select gains 100 points over 70ish wins and takes the #1 spot by a few points. Dayvie comes back from Vacation and has 200 bonus points saved up(I'm kind of making this up, don't know how quickly you accumulate points). He only has to win 35 games to match Select's 100 points, and will still have 100 more bonus points giving him an extra boost on top for the next 35 wins.
The system is designed to make it so the game doesn't seem like so much of a job. You can take a break from the game and not feel like you will never reach your position again because you can't catch up in points.
David Sirlin (of Street Fighter fame) made a blog post on his website that kind of discusses SC2's ladder system, but doesn't go into detail of how it works, so my information is not 100% correct.
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myrkur the game has been out for like a week total, im sure all these players have been playing every day or near it for that week and thus should have basically the same opportunities for bonus points right(maybe not the same but pretty close)?
that explanation also doesn't really make sense when you look at idra(or other players) who have actually played LESS than him with a much better w/l but still considerably less points.
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I'm not sure why people are so surprised that there's 'less' korean players. Korea has a much smaller population, it only makes sense.
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On August 06 2010 05:59 Myrkur wrote:
Say Dayvie goes on Vacation. Right now he is just over 900 points. He is gone for a week and during that week Select gains 100 points over 70ish wins and takes the #1 spot by a few points. Dayvie comes back from Vacation and has 200 bonus points saved up(I'm kind of making this up, don't know how quickly you accumulate points). He only has to win 35 games to match Select's 100 points, and will still have 100 more bonus points giving him an extra boost on top for the next 35 wins.
The system is designed to make it so the game doesn't seem like so much of a job. You can take a break from the game and not feel like you will never reach your position again because you can't catch up in points.
David Sirlin (of Street Fighter fame) made a blog post on his website that kind of discusses SC2's ladder system, but doesn't go into detail of how it works, so my information is not 100% correct.
All players get the same number of bonus points, going on vacation doesn't give you more - in your example Select is getting exactly the same number of bonus points as Dayvie but he's spending them right away, whereas Dayvie is saving them up.
Dayvie does benefit though, not because of the week off but because the ladder is still only in its infancy. So if someone stops playing for a week when they get back the number of points the top people have has gone up from 400 something to 900 and all of a sudden the guy on 400 points who went away is playing all these 900 players and getting a ton of points for each win regardless of bonus points.
Once the ladder settles down and the top players are all sitting around 2000 points (which is where I would assume a modified ELO system would put them) then it would be harder to take advantage of this.
The other reason for Dayvie having more points, as the quote from Idra suggests, is you lose a ton of points when you get promoted so if you get promoted late (apparently you have to lose a certain number of games before getting promoted) then you'll have less points even if you have a ton more wins.
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On August 05 2010 21:02 7even.Rantech wrote:
SrJoseZ statistics are wrong, Greatman is the owner of that, the webpage mis recognize it.
Greatman is actually 106-11 now 697 points
SrJoseZ is actually 60-25 with 403 points
Region data got corrupted and that messed up Latin American players. I'm in the process of fixing it now.
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im on "knew how to get into diamond fast" wagon.
i dont think hes a superaccount, alot of pple just forgot how good dayvie is. hes amazing
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On August 06 2010 15:50 aLt)nirvana wrote:
im on "knew how to get into diamond fast" wagon.
i dont think hes a superaccount, alot of pple just forgot how good dayvie is. hes amazing
Its odd how he has worse stats then players below him and that's why people are kind of suspicious.
Dayvie 74-37 964 points
Idra 85-12 892 points
11 more wins and 25 less losses yet he is behind by 72 points
Huk 95-26 941
21 more wins and 11 less losses but 23 points behind.
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On August 06 2010 15:56 kNyTTyM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 15:50 aLt)nirvana wrote:
im on "knew how to get into diamond fast" wagon.
i dont think hes a superaccount, alot of pple just forgot how good dayvie is. hes amazing Its odd how he has worse stats then players below him and that's why people are kind of suspicious. Dayvie 74-37 964 points Idra 85-12 892 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 85-12 892 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 85-12 892 end_of_the_skype_highlighting points 11 more wins and 25 less losses yet he is behind by 72 points Huk 95-26 941 21 more wins and 11 less losses but 23 points behind.
I do not understand HOW could this happen as well. But it COULD. Since Brat_OK in our division had better win ratio and has less stats even compared with the players, who had a lot of loses. If you was stucked in platinum for a long time, its kinda no surprise that you have better stats/less points.
Sorry, it's just my thought.
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On August 06 2010 15:56 kNyTTyM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 15:50 aLt)nirvana wrote:
im on "knew how to get into diamond fast" wagon.
i dont think hes a superaccount, alot of pple just forgot how good dayvie is. hes amazing Its odd how he has worse stats then players below him and that's why people are kind of suspicious. Dayvie 74-37 964 points Idra 85-12 892 points 11 more wins and 25 less losses yet he is behind by 72 points Huk 95-26 941 21 more wins and 11 less losses but 23 points behind.
it took me 50 games to get into diamond and i lost 700 points when i got there, dunno bout huk but i have way less points than i could have had.
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Paradoxically, Dayvie might get more points per win than IdrA does. Since IdrA has such a high win ratio, the system has trouble estimating his true rating. Dayvie has more losses, so the system is more confident of his true rating. Or maybe Dayvie is simply playing harder opponents. IdrA may never be online at the right time to play other top-rated players.
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While Protoss might be the most popular race in the top 5k, we know from Browder's statements that Terran is overall the most popular race. At some point, when you decrease sample size, Terran popularity goes down, then goes up, and maybe goes down at least with the current top 32.
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On August 06 2010 16:14 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 15:56 kNyTTyM wrote:On August 06 2010 15:50 aLt)nirvana wrote:
im on "knew how to get into diamond fast" wagon.
i dont think hes a superaccount, alot of pple just forgot how good dayvie is. hes amazing Its odd how he has worse stats then players below him and that's why people are kind of suspicious. Dayvie 74-37 964 points Idra 85-12 892 points 11 more wins and 25 less losses yet he is behind by 72 points Huk 95-26 941 21 more wins and 11 less losses but 23 points behind. it took me 50 games to get into diamond and i lost 700 points when i got there, dunno bout huk but i have way less points than i could have had.
700 points... that's crazy. I lost about 100. System is pretty fucked up if one of the worlds best players takes 50 games to get into diamond and I can get in with 20 games.
Not sure why the game requires so many losses before promoting.
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On August 06 2010 16:51 Wargizmo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 16:14 IdrA wrote:On August 06 2010 15:56 kNyTTyM wrote:On August 06 2010 15:50 aLt)nirvana wrote:
im on "knew how to get into diamond fast" wagon.
i dont think hes a superaccount, alot of pple just forgot how good dayvie is. hes amazing Its odd how he has worse stats then players below him and that's why people are kind of suspicious. Dayvie 74-37 964 points Idra 85-12 892 points 11 more wins and 25 less losses yet he is behind by 72 points Huk 95-26 941 21 more wins and 11 less losses but 23 points behind. it took me 50 games to get into diamond and i lost 700 points when i got there, dunno bout huk but i have way less points than i could have had. 700 points... that's crazy. I lost about 100. System is pretty fucked up if one of the worlds best players takes 50 games to get into diamond and I can get in with 20 games. Not sure why the game requires so many losses before promoting.
I would have assumed it's because it wants to know how many points it should give you in the new division, but Idra needing to lose 700 points seems a bit much.
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The one consolation is that the ladder isn't going to reset any time soon so eventually everyone's points will get to where they should be.
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Best thread ever. Thx for the updates.
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damn idra losing 700 points :/
I lost 250 and there I was thinking that was too much from plat 550 to 300 diamond ><
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SEA server is defiantly going to die the moment it opens upto US servers...
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On August 06 2010 16:14 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 15:56 kNyTTyM wrote:On August 06 2010 15:50 aLt)nirvana wrote:
im on "knew how to get into diamond fast" wagon.
i dont think hes a superaccount, alot of pple just forgot how good dayvie is. hes amazing Its odd how he has worse stats then players below him and that's why people are kind of suspicious. Dayvie 74-37 964 points Idra 85-12 892 points 11 more wins and 25 less losses yet he is behind by 72 points Huk 95-26 941 21 more wins and 11 less losses but 23 points behind. it took me 50 games to get into diamond and i lost 700 points when i got there, dunno bout huk but i have way less points than i could have had.
actually yeh it's pretty sick - i had 980 or so in platinum, and moved up to 300 in diamond with 43-5, while there was a guy ahead of me in points in the new diamond division with 23-11.
I don't understand it at all :S.
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I know why Dayvie is on top, oh yeah.. because he's good! Definitely the number one reason.
Just like the wow arena system, basically you can have a lower win/loss ratio, what matters most is if you win vs the favored ones, and also lose vs the favored ones. If you consistently play against those with higher points than you you are bound to gain a lot and lose a little. Win ratio isn't everything to the point system....
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It would be tricky for Dayvie to consistently play against those with higher points than him though.
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On August 06 2010 19:04 FuryX wrote:
SEA server is defiantly going to die the moment it opens upto US servers...
Will there be a free transfer or will players have to buy new copies?
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I'm in the same boat as demuslim/idra. I was at 950 in plat then went down to 250 in diamond . If you are smart, you should just throw/lose a bunch of games consecutively when you are at the top of platinum. I finally got promoted after losing 2 games in a row, then winning 1. For some reason, blizzard decided if you keep winning... you can't get promoted. Genius!
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It's probably to prevent cheaters from moving up.
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On August 07 2010 01:53 teko wrote:
It's probably to prevent cheaters from moving up.
It did stop the drop hacker Ownage from being promoted. However it seems awkward that the optimal way to climb the ladder is to lose some games.
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On August 07 2010 01:49 Silent`Assassin wrote:I'm in the same boat as demuslim/idra. I was at 950 in plat then went down to 250 in diamond . If you are smart, you should just throw/lose a bunch of games consecutively when you are at the top of platinum. I finally got promoted after losing 2 games in a row, then winning 1. For some reason, blizzard decided if you keep winning... you can't get promoted. Genius!
same here, losing 2 then winning 1 got me promoted at 950 plat into 240 diamond
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On August 06 2010 19:21 DeMusliM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 16:14 IdrA wrote:On August 06 2010 15:56 kNyTTyM wrote:On August 06 2010 15:50 aLt)nirvana wrote:
im on "knew how to get into diamond fast" wagon.
i dont think hes a superaccount, alot of pple just forgot how good dayvie is. hes amazing Its odd how he has worse stats then players below him and that's why people are kind of suspicious. Dayvie 74-37 964 points Idra 85-12 892 points 11 more wins and 25 less losses yet he is behind by 72 points Huk 95-26 941 21 more wins and 11 less losses but 23 points behind. it took me 50 games to get into diamond and i lost 700 points when i got there, dunno bout huk but i have way less points than i could have had. actually yeh it's pretty sick - i had 980 or so in platinum, and moved up to 300 in diamond with 43-5, while there was a guy ahead of me in points in the new diamond division with 23-11. I don't understand it at all :S.
Everybody know you are the real badass
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Gratz to HuK
-HuK hit 1001 and is the first player to break 1000 (Diamond) and reclaims the lead.
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oGsGon of Korea is the second player to break 1000 points and currently has 1005, just barely edging out HuK for #1.
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wow at the achievements, i coulda easily done the AI ones if I bothered too, I wanted my name on a TL ranking T.T
I was only like 120 points away from that time =(
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-1K Club Several more players have joined HuK in achieving 1000 points. dayvie, TTOne, CheckPrime, JunwiPrime and oGsGon. oGsGon has hit a big losing streak and has dropped to 876 points.
-Activity among the top players has dropped this weekend, probably due to the number of tournaments going on or they are just taking a break to recover from release fever.
Hope people are still finding this information entertaining, or maybe it is just not so interesting anymore as release fever has slowed down?
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I think you guys are forgetting something. To get 1000~ points in Korea is WAY harder then the North American server. though they both deserve a pat on the back. TT1 is above 1k aswell.
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On August 09 2010 01:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:
I think you guys are forgetting something. To get 1000~ points in Korea is WAY harder then the North American server. though they both deserve a pat on the back. TT1 is above 1k aswell.
And you know this because you're paying on both servers or just making things up?
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On August 09 2010 01:46 muse5187 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 01:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:
I think you guys are forgetting something. To get 1000~ points in Korea is WAY harder then the North American server. though they both deserve a pat on the back. TT1 is above 1k aswell. And you know this because you're paying on both servers or just making things up?
I would be much more scared of players like oGsEnsnare, JunwiPrime, CheckPrime, MioWeRRa, oGssSKS, DayFlyPrime, GerrardPrime, NEXGenius, oGsZenio, CezannePrime, oGsTheStC, Cool, Maka, Fruitvendor and all the countless BW pros that are still unknown to us westerners than the so-so players of the NA servers (with the notable exceptions of KiWiKaKi)
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On August 09 2010 01:46 muse5187 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 01:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:
I think you guys are forgetting something. To get 1000~ points in Korea is WAY harder then the North American server. though they both deserve a pat on the back. TT1 is above 1k aswell. And you know this because you're paying on both servers or just making things up?
Would be interesting to know just how much harder one server is over another. I would think Korea would be harder, however this is just my speculation. If Korean players dominated tournaments, then it could just be a given, but it seems top players from all major regions have done pretty well. Or at least this is with the tournaments I have seen. I'm no expert here and would be interested in what other have to say.
Is anyone playing on multiple servers? I would think that at least Idra would be playing on both, but only know of the US account.
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On August 09 2010 01:59 ChickenLips wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 01:46 muse5187 wrote:On August 09 2010 01:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:
I think you guys are forgetting something. To get 1000~ points in Korea is WAY harder then the North American server. though they both deserve a pat on the back. TT1 is above 1k aswell. And you know this because you're paying on both servers or just making things up? I would be much more scared of players like oGsEnsnare, JunwiPrime, CheckPrime, MioWeRRa, oGssSKS, DayFlyPrime, GerrardPrime, NEXGenius, oGsZenio, CezannePrime, oGsTheStC, Cool, Maka, Fruitvendor and all the countless BW pros that are still unknown to us westerners than the so-so players of the NA servers (with the notable exceptions of KiWiKaKi)
I didn't ask for a list of random nobodies playing sc2. Also what does 10 people have to do with the difficulty of a server? There is no evidence for you to post about the average korean sc2 player being better than the average person on another server. Therefore completely invalid point.
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Thanks a lot i always enjoy these kind of statistics, also no worries about Asia, as soon as OSL switches to sc2 the sales will skyrocket
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sc2 koreans are overrated
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dayvie just got his 100 1v1 random icon. Pretty sick. 1044 points, still #1.
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On August 09 2010 02:02 Arcalious wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 01:46 muse5187 wrote:On August 09 2010 01:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:
I think you guys are forgetting something. To get 1000~ points in Korea is WAY harder then the North American server. though they both deserve a pat on the back. TT1 is above 1k aswell. And you know this because you're paying on both servers or just making things up? Would be interesting to know just how much harder one server is over another. I would think Korea would be harder, however this is just my speculation. If Korean players dominated tournaments, then it could just be a given, but it seems top players from all major regions have done pretty well. Or at least this is with the tournaments I have seen. I'm no expert here and would be interested in what other have to say. Is anyone playing on multiple servers? I would think that at least Idra would be playing on both, but only know of the US account.
I would tend to agree with this, but I agree mainly because Korea's server has less people, but their top players are still excellent, meaning their top ~5% (diamond) is better than more populated servers top ~5%.
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mTwDeMusliM 40-5 and STILL stuck in Platinum. According to Idra, it takes 7 losses to be promoted
u know in beta before getting promoted to diamond i had to get a loss.
I ACTUALLY HAD TO LOSE A GAME TO GET DIAMOND! haha
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I'm experimenting with an additional player sorting feature that tries to do a better job of ranking players. Far from perfect, but it seems to be an improvement. Notable changes. dayvie is dropped out of the top 10, Idra is put back into the top 10.
http://ps.sc2pf.com/ps2.jsp (Choose MScore as the sorting option)
Sort by MScore (modified)
1 IdrA.US
2 HuK.US
3 roxkisBratOK.EU
4 KiWiKaKi.US
5 ClouD.EU
6 qxc.US
7 JunwiPrime.KR
8 oGsEnsnare.KR
9 TTOne.US
10 KilluaPrime.KR
Sort by Points.
1 HuK.US
2 TTOne.US
3 dayvie.US
4 roxkisBratOK.EU
5 요츠바랑.KR
6 ClouD.EU
7 mTwDIMAGA.EU
8 KiWiKaKi.US
9 JunwiPrime.KR
10 ajtls.US
I'll continue to improve it, considering people are actually finding it useful.
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How are you calculating that? I was going to guess points and win ratios of some sort but you rank GLaDe at 18 with 1012 points/652 MScore and a 86% ratio but Katari is 17th with 655 points/655 MScore and a 76% ratio. Seems like a rather odd setup.
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Under the dayvie heading: It's pique! Not peek!
No one wants a peek at your curiosity, lol, whatever that is supposed to mean.
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it actually is harder in korea to get 1k points then it is in US
not because koreans play better, but there are more people playing on US server
the bigger the basement, the higher you can get
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On August 09 2010 02:52 muse5187 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 01:59 ChickenLips wrote:On August 09 2010 01:46 muse5187 wrote:On August 09 2010 01:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:
I think you guys are forgetting something. To get 1000~ points in Korea is WAY harder then the North American server. though they both deserve a pat on the back. TT1 is above 1k aswell. And you know this because you're paying on both servers or just making things up? I would be much more scared of players like oGsEnsnare, JunwiPrime, CheckPrime, MioWeRRa, oGssSKS, DayFlyPrime, GerrardPrime, NEXGenius, oGsZenio, CezannePrime, oGsTheStC, Cool, Maka, Fruitvendor and all the countless BW pros that are still unknown to us westerners than the so-so players of the NA servers (with the notable exceptions of KiWiKaKi) I didn't ask for a list of random nobodies playing sc2. Also what does 10 people have to do with the difficulty of a server? There is no evidence for you to post about the average korean sc2 player being better than the average person on another server. Therefore completely invalid point.
Just because you personally do not know the players quoted above does not make them nobodies, however it doeshelp make you look clueless.
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Combination of points, win ratio and server. I first tried just points and win points, but that pushed up players from less competitive regions up higher than they probably should be, so I then tried to compensate by adding a server score, where KR, NA and EU are considered harder than TW, SEA, LA and RU. Of course this is just an experiment with some guesstimate work being done on my part.
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On August 11 2010 02:52 danl9rm wrote:
Under the dayvie heading: It's pique! Not peek!
No one wants a peek at your curiosity, lol, whatever that is supposed to mean.
LOL, thanks for the correction. I think it is due to all the lines of code that I have written with stack.peek().
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On August 25 2010 10:00 Arcalious wrote:
Other than Idra, who else is laddering on multiple servers?
Look at the players that appear on both EU and NA servers top 200 lists, like Kiwikaki, Huk, Drewbie, etc.
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On August 25 2010 10:02 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 10:00 Arcalious wrote:
Other than Idra, who else is laddering on multiple servers?
Look at the players that appear on both EU and NA servers top 200 lists, like Kiwikaki, Huk, Drewbie, etc.
That was a quick response to my premature post. I meant to add (using a different name, like Idra). Either way, thanks for the response.
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why do you have to lsoe to be promoted?
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On August 25 2010 10:32 Subversion wrote:
why do you have to lsoe to be promoted?
I think it has something to due with the confidence factor of the promotion system. Until a player has some losses, it doesn't have enough confidence in the current MMR. This of course is just speculation on my part. Blizzard unfortunately will not publish specifics.
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On August 02 2010 12:29 Artosis wrote:
what about the chinese server and SEA server?
What about LA server?
Blizzard should just make 3 servers and matchmake from the ping.
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On August 26 2010 10:01 B08 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 12:29 Artosis wrote:
what about the chinese server and SEA server? What about LA server? Blizzard should just make 3 servers and matchmake from the ping. Seems like that would cause ladder imbalance.
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mTwDeMusliM lost 980 points making the jump to Diamond from Platinum. Idra lost 700. In order to avoid this from happening, it has been suggested that players should lose some games when at the top of Platinum in order be promoted.
Oh god.
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I'm compiling a list of top level Diamond players who are laddering on multiple regions.
HuK, KiWiKaKi, drewbie, IdrA., SUGGY, Artosis, MoMaN, mOOnGLaDe, greatman and sintet. If there as anyone I missed, which I'm sure I did, let me know and I'll add them. They must have a decent amount of points on one ore more accounts.
I added a section at http://ps.sc2fp.com that makes it easy to track these players.
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On August 27 2010 12:25 Arcalious wrote:I'm compiling a list of top level Diamond players who are laddering on multiple regions. HuK, KiWiKaKi, drewbie, IdrA., SUGGY, Artosis, MoMaN, mOOnGLaDe, greatman and sintet. If there as anyone I missed, which I'm sure I did, let me know and I'll add them. They must have a decent amount of points on one ore more accounts. I added a section at http://ps.sc2fp.com that makes it easy to track these players.
Won't Liquid members in RoK be playing on KR servers?
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Omg what? I was #1 Achievement ladder back on Aug.2 and didn't even know it.
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On August 27 2010 13:00 Antisocialmunky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 12:25 Arcalious wrote:I'm compiling a list of top level Diamond players who are laddering on multiple regions. HuK, KiWiKaKi, drewbie, IdrA., SUGGY, Artosis, MoMaN, mOOnGLaDe, greatman and sintet. If there as anyone I missed, which I'm sure I did, let me know and I'll add them. They must have a decent amount of points on one ore more accounts. I added a section at http://ps.sc2fp.com that makes it easy to track these players. Won't Liquid members in RoK be playing on KR servers?
Yeah, I would think so. I took a look when making the list, but there are no Diamond level KR account for liquid members. There seems to be a bunch of LiquidTLO accounts on multiple servers, but only one is Diamond and the others could be impostors.
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On August 27 2010 13:02 SC2Phoenix wrote:
Omg what? I was #1 Achievement ladder back on Aug.2 and didn't even know it.
Nice Job Pheonix, That was an impressive feat.
I have no idea who is #1 now. Ouga has 4340, but there is probably someone out there with more. Regardless, Ouga has an amazing amount of achievement points along with some pretty impressive ladder stats.
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Major League Gaming Tournament
-The much anticipated Major League Gaming tournament start this Friday (Aug 27th) and will be hosted by Day[9], JP, HDStarcraft and Husky. Some notable ladder players competing in the MLG are HuK, Slush, KiWiKaKi, drewbie, qxc, TTOne and Masg. List of more players here. More information for this event can be found at Team Liquid, MLG, and SC2 Center.
Note: My MLG list does not include Socke or Lastshadow as neither player is laddering or they are using a different name to ladder under.
-Speaking of Day[9], he looked exhausted after getting back from the IEM in Germany. Wonder what he is doing on those long flights?
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Major League Gaming Tournament
-HuK, KiWiKaKi and drewbie who are top ladder players on both NA and EU are putting in a very strong showing at the MLG. SUGGY another top multi region ladder player did very well, but has been eliminated by TTOne.
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Hopefully there will be a change to the spawn larvae mechanic. Unlike Mule and Chrono boost, there is no way to catch up if a player falls behind with it
Build another hatch, you have caught up. Spawn Larva is not the same type of mechanic as Mule or Chronoboost. It is more like forgetting to warp in a wave of units, you lost production time.
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Terran is doing better at top levels, but it's only because Zerg and protoss ain't yet playing to their full potential.
Look at top 1000, how races even out. Terran is not OP.
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On August 02 2010 12:10 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2010 12:05 TheYango wrote:On August 02 2010 12:02 EleanorRIgby wrote:
looks like protoss dominated everything but top 100 Which seems generally consistent with the idea that Terran is overpowered, but Protoss is easier to play. a 11 person difference brought you to that conclusion?
Top=5000 Terran=1452 Zerg=1253 Protoss=1885 Random=410
What are you talking about?
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The title is "Top 5K Player Statistics".
I kinda expected to see top 5000 players! XP
Or does it mean something else?! -.-
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On August 29 2010 02:55 Darkn3ss wrote:
The title is "Top 5K Player Statistics".
I kinda expected to see top 5000 players! XP
Or does it mean something else?! -.-
My first post almost a month ago listed the top 5k ladder stats, however since then it has turned more into a news thread related to the top ladder players. Maybe at title change of this thread is in order.
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-ESL : srsRAZERnAni (Naniwa) wins over Satini and in the Go4SC2 #33 finals.
-GSL : Four foreigners, Idra, LiquidTLO, Artosis and TorcH, qualify for the GSL in the 2 day offline open qualifiers in which 2000 players will compete for just 64 spots. 16 Zerg, 21 Terran, 27 Protoss. Half the players are from teams Prime(12), oGs(11) and WeRRa(9).
List of all GLS qualifiers here - Event video from Artosis - Wiki - Thread
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-Live Streamers : CellaWerra and LzGamer played several matches against each other today, check out both streams and the Replays .
Now CellaWerra and KawaiiRice are playing.
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