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Gretorp
United States586 Posts
just to let people know my definition of materialize. It's a positional advantage where it can yield a material advantage. So when I say, this person needs to materialize an advantage, it means that the person must utilize the positional advantage to create some sort of material advantage. Clearly some people misunderstand that, even when critiquing :O! ^^ | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
I think of buildings going up when they're being built, and down when they get destroyed. There are plenty of other words out there that actually make sense when someone constructs a building. (I also find it mildly annoying that every time a player moves out it's a "push", but at least that one makes sense). --- I definitely agree with the mouse control thing, and I've mentioned that in the past to HD/Husky and to MLG. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On June 19 2010 08:49 Gretorp wrote: hah! just to let people know my definition of materialize. It's a positional advantage where it can yield a material advantage. So when I say, this person needs to materialize an advantage, it means that the person must utilize the positional advantage to create some sort of material advantage. Clearly some people misunderstand that, even when critiquing :O! ^^ If he has a positional advantage, how is it immaterial though? If he could do more with it, that's not really "materializing" it since he already has position. I know what you mean, to turn a positional advantage into something quantifiable like a unit advantage. I kind of agree with others and don't think "materialize" fits, even if you only thew it around once or twice instead of always. I think that sort of thing really undermines your casting. That and saying something like "macroeconomic advantage" or "macroeconomically" instead of just economic. It just comes off as a vain attempt to sound smart and doesn't really add benefit to your comments, which usually are insightful to begin with. Not to mention you aren't really talking about macroeconomics in the instances that you say it, you're kind of just adding two words together that are only relevant individually, and I don't really know why | ||
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Gretorp
United States586 Posts
So thank you for being a douche and a troll. It makes me want to continue helping the community. edit: I do appreciate your comments, i just hate your way of conveying it. You're unnnecessarily hostile. Perhaps you need to learn to word your comments constructively :O! User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Millsington
United States28 Posts
So I should say 'build' every time, but no more than once. GOT IT! =) I knew someone would poke at that  . It would take too many lines to explain myself so I'll just say 'yes!' | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
While I've only seen a couple of your things outside of you co-casting with D9 I do have to say I do agree with "macroeconomic" being the wrong choice of words. Especially since the term "macro" refers to "macro management" not "macroeconomic" | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On June 19 2010 09:21 Gretorp wrote: a positional advantage is not a material advantage. You can have a positional advantage but not have a material advantage. you're making your position net you some material gain. Why you troll and you're being a douche for no reason is beyond me though. I have verbiage that isn't stellar i agree, and I have never tried to hone my casting skills as I consider myself a gamer more than a caster, and I try more in gaming than casting. The casting is just for other people. So thank you for being a douche and a troll. It makes me want to continue helping the community. edit: I do appreciate your comments, i just hate your way of conveying it. You're unnnecessarily hostile. Perhaps you need to learn to word your comments constructively :O! Wasn't trying to be a douche, I thought I was complimenting your insight but pointing out how it's sometimes marred by your insistence on using unique terms. I think you and Day make an awesome team In regards to whether that is materializing or not, I think it's a difference of opinion on what can be considered tangible advantages in a game. Surely you can have a unit advantage but not be utilizing it with them on the completely wrong side of the map or something just as easily as you can have a positional advantage not be capitalizing on it. I don't know if one is more or less "material". I don't know if that's what you are trying to say, or if you are just trying to say they need to exploit or capitalize on their advantage | ||
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Gretorp
United States586 Posts
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
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Luoson
New Zealand153 Posts
keep up the good work, everyone can always improve | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On June 19 2010 10:42 Luoson wrote: Not sure if its been said or not but one thing i noticed alot of casters keep doing (mainly Hd and husky) is talking about the small rush distances or the destructable rocks on scrap station.. You constantly say it in many casts where as i belive pretty much everyone alrdy knows that shit and it doesnt need to be explained every vod.. Also go on about previous patch versions alittle bit to much imo keep up the good work, everyone can always improve I think it's been mentioned once or twice in this thread already, the general consensus was for new players who are watching that stream for the first time or just learning about the game to know a little bit about the map or recent changes that occurred that are effecting the metagame. I do think this is because the game is in beta and once release happens patches will become fewer and further between meaning that concern goes away and people will begin to assume players know what the map looks like. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
The problem is when they watch all the wrong stuff on the map! Or when they don't even notice when an expansion falls, or hidden tech, ugh. I hate it when a bad player controls the camera | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On June 19 2010 09:21 Gretorp wrote: a positional advantage is not a material advantage. You can have a positional advantage but not have a material advantage. you're making your position net you some material gain. Why you troll and you're being a douche for no reason is beyond me though. I have verbiage that isn't stellar i agree, and I have never tried to hone my casting skills as I consider myself a gamer more than a caster, and I try more in gaming than casting. The casting is just for other people. So thank you for being a douche and a troll. It makes me want to continue helping the community. edit: I do appreciate your comments, i just hate your way of conveying it. You're unnnecessarily hostile. Perhaps you need to learn to word your comments constructively :O! I haven't read the whole thread, and I'm not going to, but I did see this post after I initially posted so I'll just say: that I really appreciated when you, gretorp, and day9 casted the.. whatever it was. I enjoyed it thoroughly and always thought of you being a player - not a caster. With that in mind, I had fun with the commentary. And also, you weren't that bad of a commentator either. You knew what you were talking about and I could tell. You guys made a good team. Day controlled the camera (he's the only one that does it well lately), and you added nice bonuses with your expertise of.. terran.. i think it was. Anyway, thanks. | ||
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Anxiety
United States650 Posts
And actually following that... Casters should NEVER let their player-favoritism get in the way of casting each team as evenly as possible. I've seen too many games where the more famous of the two players will have the replay-cam constantly in his base, and the other play gets almost completely neglected. Unless he is trying to teach/steal a build. Like DayNine did with that one Europeon guy... who was it again? | ||
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mcneebs
Canada391 Posts
I agree that the phrase macroeconomic is pretty redundant, but I think we're kind of nit picking here. I totally understand where gretorp's coming from in what he's trying to say (I think) and it's because I'm a lower rank player, where I think this type of behaviour is more common. I've got an advantage, be it hidden tech, map control, income, or skill. But failure to act on those advantages means I'm not materializing from them. Do I have that right? For example, me and another player are in a TvT, we've each got 4 rax, but I've got 2 2 hidden expos. I'm way ahead economically, but we're still only producing from 4 rax each. I've got an advantage, but since I'm not building more unit producing structures, I'm failing to materialize my lead. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
Totalbiscuit is just so good for average new players with his enthusiastic and energy filled commentary, while offering small strategic insights. Then you have people like gretorp who analyze the situation inside and out but with less excitement/improper sentences or w/e(i personally don't give a fuck your terran analysis is spot on 90% of the time) Then you have day9/tasteless who are sorta in between and have that strategical knowledge available but sometimes generalize it more for the masses to understand, which i think is perfect in general for there mass audiences. DJWheat you will be there someday but you still have more games to cast and more knowledge to gain, but your still amazing. Overall I'm so happy we have a lot of dedicated commentators out there, my skill would not be where its at without the help of klazart/diggity/gretorp/artosis/day9. | ||
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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
On June 19 2010 11:45 AnxietE wrote: Unless he is trying to teach/steal a build. Like DayNine did with that one Europeon guy... who was it again? Yeah that's the one. Day9 sort of falls outside of the realms of most of what people are saying though. He's more of a teacher than a commentator, and so he can do whatever the fuck he wants  | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On June 19 2010 14:00 Emon_ wrote: I'd like to hear a cast from OP. Until then he should be thankful for whatever comes his way. Just because you don't do it doesn't automatically mean that you can't comment/critique it. If that were the case (which is what you're implying), then basically every caster for every and any type of sport (e-sport or otherwise) would be out of a job. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
those who focus on casting (i. e. TotalBiscuit) those who do both equally (the one and only Day9) Obviously, almost everyone loves Day9 - he is a good player, a good caster and has been part of the community for years. On top of that he has a great sense of humour, so everything works great for him. In my opinion this is why the combination of him and Gretorp did not work as well as it could have. Day9 has a lot of game knowledge and experience and most of the time he notices the important bits on his own. So, when co-casting he would quite often pass the ball to Gretorp (or whoever he is casting with) and his partner has to come up with something even when there is nothing important to say (because Day9 has already said it), which leads to awkwardness. Of course, it takes time to create a good partnership as well, I'm not saying that Day9 is doing something wrong. However, my guess is that in the future we will have quite a lot of dedicated* commentators partnering with various dedicated* gamers. If the commentator is providing the entertainment and the gamer the additional strategy analysis, they can live in a happy symbiosis, while casters with a style similar to Day9 will probably do predominantly solo commentary. * Hopefully at one point they will become pros but it's a bit too early to speculate about this. On a side note, some people seem not to realise that viewers are not just newbies and experiences ones. I am the sort of viewer who is following his favourite players - perhaps because I'm coming from WC3 background, where there was almost no casting but replays are easy to find. So I haven't seen Husky's mass queens stuff but have watched Strelok and Nazgul's games on Schicky's channel. At the same time there are people who like a given commentator and stick to their channel. On June 19 2010 01:17 Sinensis wrote: Am I the only one who thinks the OP doesn't actually say anything at all other than it's important to focus on what's important and different casters have different styles? Because I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong. I was trying hard to give as few examples as possible because I did not want this to be a thread focused around what I do and do not like. I'm glad that people are sharing their thoughts and that some casters have joined in as well. Thus, my work here is done and I can fly into the sunset. | ||
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