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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
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Lazix
Australia378 Posts
On June 19 2010 08:21 Millsington wrote: I'll throw my hat into the ring here. Radio commentary 'HuK is moving out with Zealots and Stalkers.' I have a video feed too, I can see what you're seeing, you don't have to tell me what you're seeing. If you have some insight as to why it's happening, however, by all means articulate it. This isn't radio commentary, its play by play commentary and it's essential to especially Starcraft because as viewers, we don't have entire view of the 'field'. This stuff need's to be brought to our attention and you can't expect solely expert commentary every time a player makes a move. Otherwise get used to over analytical commentary or deafening silence. Which ever you prefer. On June 19 2010 08:21 Millsington wrote: Eloquence If you often have trouble completing your sentences in a manner that makes sense, you are painful to listen to. Sorry, but it's true.. No one does this on purpose so that's not really constructive is it. There are some great callers out there that do tend to trip up a bit, but I'd rather they keep at it and continue to get better rather then give up and lose some great contributors to he community. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On June 18 2010 12:13 Voronoff wrote: Check out TotalBiscuit. He's an interesting counterpoint to much of the current style of Starcraft shout casting. I love Totalbiscuit's analysis of matches as they go on. He also gives great background on the players, but I ABSOLUTELY cannot stand his accent. It frickin' KILLS me T_T I can only ever watch one or two matches at a time from him :/ He does his casting accent very well, don't get me wrong. He gets what he's going for perfectly, it just isn't for me. | ||
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cucumber
United States116 Posts
Accents happen and basically can't be changed (without really really hard work). If you don't like certain accents, which is totally reasonable, the answer is more casters. | ||
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JinjoBust
Korea (North)130 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + And I don't suck :O Edit for actual post content: I'll agree with most of the posters here that piles of these casters suck. I'm not the most brilliant player in the world, and yet I find myself sitting back and counting/correcting errors in how miscellaneous casters are presenting material. To be perfectly honest, the casting quality is about on the same level as random forum posts about the subject. The casters react like dumbfounded viewers when something happens, fail to explain it well/correctly, and use boring lingo to convey things that are be accurately summed up with better language. Clean your acts up yo, there can't just be one decent caster in the community if this is really supposed to be an ESport! | ||
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cucumber
United States116 Posts
Accents happen and basically can't be changed (without really really hard work). If you don't like certain accents, which is totally reasonable, the answer is more casters. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On June 19 2010 09:21 Gretorp wrote: User was temp banned for this post. And as such, so ends the constructive nature of this thread. Sorry, I'm going to go find shelter before things blow up. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On June 19 2010 16:00 cucumber wrote: That's all fine and well, itzbrandnew. But everyone has an accent. Whatever language a person speaks they grow up with the accent that's native to their locality. I can tell, for instance, that Day[9] is from the south and west in the US respective of where I'm from (Philadelphia). Accents happen and basically can't be changed (without really really hard work). If you don't like certain accents, which is totally reasonable, the answer is more casters. Edit out your double post  Ok, I would have edited my post if not for this comment. So instead I'll just respond. As I was reading thread I saw someone say TB sounds like a race car announcer... and since then I can't stop listening to him. He flows so much better now in my head, I guess I just needed to find some sort of rhythm. It is almost like the awkwardness of trying to understand various accents at first, apparently I just needed to give it time to grow on me. On-topic: I really feel like in dual casts someone needs to be the dominant caster, and it needs to be decided before the cast starts. If the "lesser" is talking and the "greater" starts talking, the lesser needs to get quiet fast. Maybe that's just my opinion, but even in sports casting, yes they may be in the same room, but when the "greater" begins to talk, the "lesser" shuts it immediately. Lag has an effect on this, so I don't put this one up too high, I just hate the "greater" trying to jump in with the beginning of what he's about to say and trying to get a word in edgewise over and over and over again. Kind of like We... Well ya.... Well what's hap... etc | ||
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Lazix
Australia378 Posts
On June 19 2010 16:30 itzbrandnew wrote: On-topic: I really feel like in dual casts someone needs to be the dominant caster, and it needs to be decided before the cast starts. If the "lesser" is talking and the "greater" starts talking, the lesser needs to get quiet fast. Maybe that's just my opinion, but even in sports casting, yes they may be in the same room, but when the "greater" begins to talk, the "lesser" shuts it immediately. With most sport commentary teams, the 'lesser' as you put it, would probably be the expert commentator as he is commentating the least, and the 'greater' would probably be the colour/play by play commentator, yes? Whats interesting in this example is normally the expert commentator has priority over the colour commentator and he is only interrupted by the colour commentator when something amazing is taking place. But I guess what I'm trying to say is it's situational. Anyway I agree. I'd like to see dual casters make a conscious effort to settle into either of those roles when commentating rather then playing round robbin with the mic. I understand it can be hard though with commentators like Day9 who are so damn good at both. | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
Healthbars on all units is another point. I just think it's so pointless having bars all over your screen. Give me health of selected units you want to highlight and the rest i pretty much figure out when the unit is dead. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 19 2010 14:00 Emon_ wrote: I'd like to hear a cast from OP. Until then he should be thankful for whatever comes his way. Really now, you might as well as say that Roger Ebert isn't allowed to review any more movies until he's directed some himself. I can't speak for my fellow casters, but I know I'm not offended when somebody takes a little time to try and improve casting in general via constructive criticism. 1 guy constructively crticising is worth more than 1000 sycophants saying you're great. | ||
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Vequeth
United Kingdom1116 Posts
On June 19 2010 18:29 TotalBiscuit wrote: Really now, you might as well as say that Roger Ebert isn't allowed to review any more movies until he's directed some himself. I can't speak for my fellow casters, but I know I'm not offended when somebody takes a little time to try and improve casting in general via constructive criticism. 1 guy constructively crticising is worth more than 1000 sycophants saying you're great. Agreed 100%, whenever a caster starts to become famous in any regard they need to stop taking things so personally as they cannot please everyone, but to work on the criticism without getting offended really distinguishes those that will go far. | ||
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cucumber
United States116 Posts
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Wargizmo
1237 Posts
On June 19 2010 10:42 Luoson wrote: Not sure if its been said or not but one thing i noticed alot of casters keep doing (mainly Hd and husky) is talking about the small rush distances or the destructable rocks on scrap station.. You constantly say it in many casts where as i belive pretty much everyone alrdy knows that shit and it doesnt need to be explained every vod.. Also go on about previous patch versions alittle bit to much imo keep up the good work, everyone can always improve I think a lot of this is due to the lack of action in the first two minutes of a game. Unless comentators have prepared something ahead of time to fill this two minute gap they're going to get nothing out of the game to talk about so most of them will just fill it with what they know about the map or players. That's why we're constantly hearing about the scrap station rush distances and the Zerg expanding strat on metalopolis and that Sen the Korean is from Korea and fighting for Korean pride. Maybe this could be a tip for commentators if it hasn't been mentioned already: Spend some time before a match thinking about something interesting to say for the first two minutes of the game before anything happens. | ||
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2197 Posts
On June 19 2010 04:31 Makh wrote: I never got into the Broodwar scene, but is that really what people consider as 'good' commentating? I'm all for getting excited especially during final matches, but some of his word choices are just abysmal. Well, it might have been stupid of me to post that example out of context. I don't really mean it as an example of good casting in general. It's kind of a culmination of all his Hyuk casts up to that point (Cholera hade become kind of known for ripping on Hyuk because of how much he sucked at first), and the fact that he just freaks out so hard when Hyuk finally manages this incredible turnaround just had me laughing for like an hour straight - and represents a level of excitement I'd like to see current casters allow themselves to reach more often. To me, Cholera really is the embodiment of all things good when it comes to casting games. He's knowledgeable enough about the game to make correct analyses (not on the level of professor Day9, but still way beyond simple play-by-play), he's got a perfect voice which can range from calm and methodic to all-out screaming, he lets his speaking tempo vary with the game, he's got his completely own personality and spends a good portion of the time just improvising and being funny as hell (Husky is also getting awesome at this imo), while not losing track of the game itself. I dunno, check out some of his other casts on Youtube, the majority of them are more "normal" than the example I posted. And Cholera, please come back!!!!!  | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36401 Posts
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Vincere
United States298 Posts
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mcneebs
Canada391 Posts
On June 19 2010 23:44 Vincere wrote: As a new caster this thread has been really helpful. I don't take citicism personally, I love it, I want to keep getting better at both my play and my casting. A RL radio DJ friend of mine put it well. If you've got a face for radio, you need to have thick skin :D | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 20 2010 00:44 mcneebs wrote: A RL radio DJ friend of mine put it well. If you've got a face for radio, you need to have thick skin :D Truer words were never spoken. | ||
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crimsonsentinel
United States179 Posts
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