EPTOn June 19 2010 00:32 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Insight is for pussies. Fuck bitches, cast Starcraft, where dem titties at?
Insight is for pussies. Fuck bitches, cast Starcraft, where dem titties at?
Heyho!
Some friendly and well-mannered caster bashing - Page 6
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25962 Posts
 I personally like a lot of what Cholera does. | ||
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Pking
Sweden142 Posts
If there is nothing exciting going on (i.e. just players macroing up), then either be silent, or you can build anticipation for what might/will happen. There is always a potential for something exciting to happen (if player A attacks now, player B will be in real trouble), it makes the game fun even if the players dissappoint and fail to live up to the expectation. I'd personally prefer a cast that is mostly silent, just a bit of commentary to help me follow along with the action, point out things of interest and make me feel like I'm not alone but sharing the experience with someone. Always nice to get things pointed out to me that will help me understand the game better and make my own game better. Low-energy casts are fine for me as long as it does not come from the caster being bored/distracted/unfocused. | ||
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OminouS
Sweden1343 Posts
On June 19 2010 02:43 mcneebs wrote: I don't expect people to work as well together. That would be foolish. I do feel however that Tasteless and SDM worked much better off one another than Tasteless and LS. Both may be great at what they do, but it was just that the personalities clicked. Again, I'm not saying that A level players can't put on a good show, I'm saying that if putting on a good show is what you're after, do a little more pregame about what both caster's role is. Obviously it's harder sitting in your living room trying to sync up with a guy half way across the world, but I just feel that more focus should be put on the presentation and less on the insight (for those aspiring to become "renowned" casters). Even half an hour discussing things like leading into color and minimizing dead air would help a lot of people who are running two casters at a time, or how to handle an "unexpected" event (IE if the color guy is talking when some huge cheese is discovered. Does he continue talking or hand it back over to the main caster etc.) A bit offtopic, but: Maybe Tasteless and SDM had a better dynamic overall, also I felt that Susie's game knowledge wasn't so high, but if you watch GOM season 2, and then season 3 right after, you will see that Tasteless had much more energy and enthusiasm in season 2. I don't know why, if he had more fun casting with Susie or if he just changed after doing it for 3 season, but I felt a big difference in his casts between seasons. | ||
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EximoSua2
United States216 Posts
The toughest part of the OP's suggestions is covering all the different aspects of the current situation (production tab, tech paths, etc.) during a transition. It's so very easy to forget those little tabs or to mention some turd burglar's photon cannon wall in shape. All in all though, I very much enjoyed reading it, I kind of wish you had wrote more. | ||
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taintmachine
United States431 Posts
i disagree with his point on giving background information during the beginning of a game. i think it's good that they give general information on each map, even if it's repetitious. that being said, i really have enjoyed our beta casters, and i hope our criticism only helps them improve. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
1. If they play the game then they understand the lingo, so it’s safe to use it (not epic fail and QQ but macro and micro) 2. A viewer didn’t randomly stumble upon your channel by seeing it on the front page of YouTube, if they are watching it’s because they have at least some form of interest in the game or at least the genre, this means if you say “micro” and they don’t know what it means they will look it up. 3. New players are likely introduced to the game by a friend, if that friend showed them your channel and you say “Wow look at that blink stalker micro” the friend can easily explain it. Don’t shy away (as someone else suggested) from using the proper terminology for actions in the game as it deters from the professionalism of your cast. At the same time, try to stray away from commonly used phrases and internet memes (terrible terrible damage) try to speak as if you were talking to your boss or at an interview (doesn’t mean don’t get excited and shout because we all love that). Now, I watch HD Husky D9 and occasionally TB so I’m going to analyze each of their style and what I think they can do to improve. TotalBiscuit: You’re energy is outstanding, and you can keep it going for an entire game, which is quite impressive. Honestly, I’m not too sure what to tell you to improve on (other than cast more games!) though I’m sure others can point out something. Your casting style is very similar to my personality so when I’m watching you I feel like we click and it makes me enjoy the cast that much more. Fuck Bitches, Cast Starcraft, don’t do both at the same time. HD: You’re the one who got me into the Starcraft scene, before I saw your casts I just played casual BW with my friends at school from time to time but I came across your channel when searching YouTube for SC2 clips and never looked back. I watch everything you post and really enjoyed the HDH (much love). However, you have some tendencies that sometimes deter from your casts. For example, you use the phrase “oh, this is interesting” quite a bit and often you almost sound surprised that it happened which sometimes makes me question your understanding of the game. I think it would help your casts a lot if you tried to vary your expressions a little bit. Husky: HD’s casts introduced me to you (and you two inevitably let me to TL). When I heard the two of you were hosting a tournament I was ecstatic. I think your energy is excellent, it’s always awesome to hear you having a nerdgasam when something crazy happens or nukes start dropping everywhere. Kittens are awesome. I believe you could work on adding more insight into your games, doesn’t have to be Day 9 style insight but even something along the lines of returning to a player base after a critical scout or a large battle to see how he reacts and then comment briefly on it “Wow he just saw the stargate, will he get a hydra den or go for more queens?” Day 9: Your biggest flaw is never answering my questions. On a more serious note, your casts are excellent and have really helped improve my gameplay. I love how you pause a game to go back and talk about why the players are making the decisions they are making and what is important to focus on and how to avoid overreacting in a certain situation. Your live casts are filled with energy and an occasional “HOLY SHIT DID YOU JUST SEE THAT” which is always a good way to keep viewers entertained. When you co-cast though, you tend to steal the spotlight because your flabby nerd body is just filled with so much insight you can’t get it out quick enough. I have learned and will thusly crush people. (Your best line IMO) Much love goes out to all the casters, I appreciate the time you put into what you do. Anyways, hope this helps the casters I watch and any budding casters can learn from my opinions of other casters. | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On June 19 2010 06:04 STS17 wrote: I think the casters should accept a few basic things about their audience: 1. If they play the game then they understand the lingo, so it’s safe to use it (not epic fail and QQ but macro and micro) 2. A viewer didn’t randomly stumble upon your channel by seeing it on the front page of YouTube, if they are watching it’s because they have at least some form of interest in the game or at least the genre, this means if you say “micro” and they don’t know what it means they will look it up. 3. New players are likely introduced to the game by a friend, if that friend showed them your channel and you say “Wow look at that blink stalker micro” the friend can easily explain it. Don’t shy away (as someone else suggested) from using the proper terminology for actions in the game as it deters from the professionalism of your cast. At the same time, try to stray away from commonly used phrases and internet memes (terrible terrible damage) try to speak as if you were talking to your boss or at an interview (doesn’t mean don’t get excited and shout because we all love that). Now, I watch HD Husky D9 and occasionally TB so I’m going to analyze each of their style and what I think they can do to improve. TotalBiscuit: You’re energy is outstanding, and you can keep it going for an entire game, which is quite impressive. Honestly, I’m not too sure what to tell you to improve on (other than cast more games!) though I’m sure others can point out something. Your casting style is very similar to my personality so when I’m watching you I feel like we click and it makes me enjoy the cast that much more. Fuck Bitches, Cast Starcraft, don’t do both at the same time. HD: You’re the one who got me into the Starcraft scene, before I saw your casts I just played casual BW with my friends at school from time to time but I came across your channel when searching YouTube for SC2 clips and never looked back. I watch everything you post and really enjoyed the HDH (much love). However, you have some tendencies that sometimes deter from your casts. For example, you use the phrase “oh, this is interesting” quite a bit and often you almost sound surprised that it happened which sometimes makes me question your understanding of the game. I think it would help your casts a lot if you tried to vary your expressions a little bit. Husky: HD’s casts introduced me to you (and you two inevitably let me to TL). When I heard the two of you were hosting a tournament I was ecstatic. I think your energy is excellent, it’s always awesome to hear you having a nerdgasam when something crazy happens or nukes start dropping everywhere. Kittens are awesome. I believe you could work on adding more insight into your games, doesn’t have to be Day 9 style insight but even something along the lines of returning to a player base after a critical scout or a large battle to see how he reacts and then comment briefly on it “Wow he just saw the stargate, will he get a hydra den or go for more queens?” Day 9: Your biggest flaw is never answering my questions. On a more serious note, your casts are excellent and have really helped improve my gameplay. I love how you pause a game to go back and talk about why the players are making the decisions they are making and what is important to focus on and how to avoid overreacting in a certain situation. Your live casts are filled with energy and an occasional “HOLY SHIT DID YOU JUST SEE THAT” which is always a good way to keep viewers entertained. When you co-cast though, you tend to steal the spotlight because your flabby nerd body is just filled with so much insight you can’t get it out quick enough. I have learned and will thusly crush people. (Your best line IMO) Much love goes out to all the casters, I appreciate the time you put into what you do. Anyways, hope this helps the casters I watch and any budding casters can learn from my opinions of other casters. I enjoy totalbiscuits commentary alot, he has a nice accent and voice and all, though the only thing id tell him to improve on is, he needs ALOT more knowledge of the game,s ome of the comments i hear him make just make me shake my head if he can learn more about standard builds etc, i believe he'd be an amazing commentator | ||
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WhistlingMtn
United States190 Posts
On June 19 2010 02:29 Gretorp wrote: From a casters point of view, I think the hardest thing is to speak in sentences and being coherent while at the same time analyzing the game and watching it. I think in general people don't even speak in real sentences other than writing. Therefore, when publicly speaking, it becomes extremely difficult. I have been trying my hardest to just concentrate on talking in sentences lately, but it's a lot harder than people think!!! That or i'm just bad at english, ggme :-P I'd say your best quality is that you pace yourself. I think a lot of people that are new to broadcasting or public speaking get worried about silence. They rush through words and fill space with repetition. You're very good at just speaking when it matters. This makes it calm and comfortable in a solo cast, and also allows you to complement other broadcasters. | ||
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[HB]Mess
Denmark37 Posts
You where my favorite caster. Its a big shame you can't find the time needed. I would have loved to see more of you're commentating, especially more high level games. I enjoyed you're earlier stuff the most though. Also, if you are casting from a replay, there is no reason not to jump backwards. The viewers want to see the full game, not just a limited portion of it. I disagree with this. It annoys me immensely when the commentator pause and jumps back. Unless its a deep build analysis, please don't. Slow down the tempo at most, or wait until the match is over and then do the jump around.  I would like to see more dual commentator casts, and even though there where some painful silences and general awkwardness in the Europe vs Asia show match series, and even the HDH where they sat together. I would endure that, it just adds so much when two commentators hit it off and enjoy the same things. | ||
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cerebralz
United States443 Posts
Until our shoutcasters are as well polished and well-funded, I don't think we can be thaaat picky about the job they are doing. The only thing that maybe irritates me is when the wrong player is named. I think that goes away for the most part with official observers though. | ||
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cucumber
United States116 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On June 19 2010 06:04 STS17 wrote: TotalBiscuit: You’re energy is outstanding, and you can keep it going for an entire game, which is quite impressive. Honestly, I’m not too sure what to tell you to improve on (other than cast more games!) What I will say is that there is a reason why I haven't been putting out much material over the last couple of weeks. I can't talk about it yet though, fuck I wish I could. | ||
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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
HD: You are blessed with a perfect casting voice. You sound calm, confident, and intelligent. You are also able to bring the excitement when it is necessary. You are also able to keep talking without it becoming awkward or useless, which is nice. Might just be a benefit of your sexy voice. HAX. My girlfriend even loves your voice. I think time is all you need to get a little more confident on mechanics and to improve the insight you offer. For the most part, you're more entertaining than educational, and I'd like it to stay that way. This last bit applies to Husky as well. Husky: As others have said, your energy is what earns you a spot in the center of my heart. "forcefield to the face", focusing on something ridiculous like a sideways probe-- I love it. You are the most entertaining caster available and the only one who can get away with rambling useless shit. "Get away with" probably isn't the right choice of words because I love it. Just a naturally hilarious person. Day[9]: I think you should take your clothes off sometimes for the camera. Gonna check out some of the others mentioned in this thread now :D | ||
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rS.Sinatra
Canada785 Posts
On June 19 2010 06:35 TotalBiscuit wrote: What I will say is that there is a reason why I haven't been putting out much material over the last couple of weeks. I can't talk about it yet though, fuck I wish I could. I see a connection between this and Tasteless and Blizzard... yeah...  good luck to you two! :D | ||
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LuckyLuke43
Norway169 Posts
On June 19 2010 00:14 Chill wrote: I really don't like when casters try to make something out of nothing. A lot of times you just decide to attack, or your units just stop at a position. Not because you are trying some high level feint and this or that, just because you're busy doing other things. It's not a timing attack, it's not a fake or gambit, you're just fucking moving out. Casters these days make players seem like robots that are constantly mathematically monitoring their army composition for the best time to attack. I've been wondering why they always do this... +1 | ||
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ddk
United Kingdom38 Posts
No brain farts at all from the videos i've seen and great energy and coherence. Nice! | ||
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EximoSua2
United States216 Posts
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Millsington
United States28 Posts
Radio commentary 'HuK is moving out with Zealots and Stalkers.' I have a video feed too, I can see what you're seeing, you don't have to tell me what you're seeing. If you have some insight as to why it's happening, however, by all means articulate it. Eloquence If you often have trouble completing your sentences in a manner that makes sense, you are painful to listen to. Sorry, but it's true. and General Pet Peeves Probably Specific to Me or People Like Me - Baseless early game speculation It's 30 seconds into the game, what do you think is going to happen here based on your random ladder games on Bnet? Come on. If the game were so predictable we wouldn't be watching in the first place. - Overpositivity He's great, you're great, everything everyone does is great. Not the case. I know many casters are not nearly as skilled as the players they are casting, and would likely get crushed by any one of them in a 1v1, but don't let that deter you from constructively criticizing play. You may be way off base and wrong but that's better than just saying everything everyone does is awesome. - Verbiage Terms are common for a reason, you don't need to break out your thesaurus to be interesting. Players build units and buildings. They don't conjure, effectuate, materialize, or enact them. They don't will them into being from the nether reaches of space. Just say build. - Overused words This is just something that bugs me but I understand why it happens and so it's easier to forgive, just something to work on. --- At the end of the day, thanks to all casters for their work in trying to keep Starcraft interesting and appealing to even us bad players. | ||
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AskJoshy
United States1625 Posts
On June 19 2010 08:21 Millsington wrote: - Verbiage Terms are common for a reason, you don't need to break out your thesaurus to be interesting. Players build units and buildings. They don't conjure, effectuate, materialize, or enact them. They don't will them into being from the nether reaches of space. Just say build. - Overused words This is just something that bugs me but I understand why it happens and so it's easier to forgive, just something to work on. So I should say 'build' every time, but no more than once. GOT IT! =) | ||
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